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No. I chucked the phone as hard as I could at what I thought was carpet forgetting I put plates there, needless to say there was a giant explosion of glass and ceramic that shattered literally everything. The other time I put my phone down hard and it caught the metal tip of my keyboard and it acted like a glass punch.

Regardless who cares 2 cracked screens in over a decade of not using a case and zero modern phones cracking with the ceramic shield. So why would I cover a beautiful device "just in case" its stupid do you wrap your car in bubble wrap?

The amount of money I saved on the cases more then makes up for the small change needed to replace a screen. Especially if you have Apple care
Cases are freaking expensive these days and I always buy more than 3... and I want to go nekkid so bad. lol
 
Over time almost everyone drops their phone
The Aluminum on the 17 Pro & pro
max is going to scratch or dent. If you care put a case on
By the way a Hard case(like outbox which I hate) will up your odds of survival
Apple will not replace an IPhone for scratches or dents
 
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Just because someone doesn’t use a case doesn’t make them stupid and careless. Everyone takes care of their devices differently and it’s up to them on how they care for their devices. I have AppleCare+, do not use a case, have the silver 17PM and use a glass screen protector on the front, as well as glass protectors on the back for the MagSafe square and camera plateau. I do not regret going caseless for 1 second.
 
With regard to this thread now turning into a case user versus caseless thread, I'm simply going to state that if you do not know my stance on not using cases by now - then you haven't been here for very long. Do a search and you'll find it. There's a big old merged thread about it too.

I don't have AC+ and I will put my caseless phones up against any case user's phone. Because I'm not careless. I have rules (for myself) and I stick to them.
 
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Or newcomers to smartphones (or Apple from Android?!) are somehow thinking these things are indestructible unless Superman sits on them?

To compare, the old Samsung Galaxy Note 10 was 5.9oz (~2.3 ounces less than the 17MP's 8.2oz), had a 6.3" screen, and was also made with aluminum for its chassis; keeping it in a case and dropping it from 4' never damaged it. The 17PM can't be a magnitude worse than that unless someone took a big packet of chewing gum powder and mixed it in with the molten aluminum. (Are today's aluminum alloys really significantly weaker?)

True, add in calculations for velocity and impact against various substances, I suspect a halfway decent and properly-fitting case would avoid a lot of service calls. Or calls worried about the new Orange model turning Grapefruit on them, though I think the combination looks really cool despite being unintentional, nor is that affect happening to everyone with the orange model so that just suggests a bad batch...
That device had a wrap around back cover nearly covering the entire phone which was anything BUT aluminum.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285276216642

Describing this as made entirely from aluminum or being comparable to aluminum unibody device is rich as hell.
 
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The OP specifically mentioned the iPhone 17 Pro; tangential statistics seemed futuile.

iPhone Air 17
Allstate Protection Plan testing claimed 190lbs bend failure
JerryRigEverything claimed 216 lbs bend failure
I think the exact force gonna depend on how you secure the phone and conduct the test. Gonna be difficult to get the same measurement by 2 different tests with different equipment and methods.
 
They're also replacing phones that experience charging noise from the bottom speaker with phones that have the same issue. And they still can't determine if it's a hardware or software issue. Therefore, these issues won't improve phone availability.
 
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Over time almost everyone drops their phone
The Aluminum on the 17 Pro & pro
max is going to scratch or dent. If you care put a case on
By the way a Hard case(like outbox which I hate) will up your odds of survival
Apple will not replace an IPhone for scratches or dents

In which case, the cases that protect the phone to higher-foot drops (certain models from Rokform, Supcase, Zagg, et al that can handle 15' or more and the more = the merrier) seem that much more paramount a consideration. If a maker can't protect a phone from larger drops, which is inevitable after a certain point, then a case is just necessary. If a case can actually handle big long drops, then from smaller drop they'll be protected that much more - thus less likely to get a dent. Given the cost of the phone and what's covered or not, if the phone itself can't be built to withstand significant drops (especially if someone is like me, clumsy) then protecting it the best one can is the next best thing.

That said, you're right about hard cases adding bulk. YMMV; I'm okay with it as it subconsciously forces me to keep holding it with a grip but a lot of people understandably don't like the bulk. Phones are going to be big regardless (and the 17PM packs a lot of punch in its form factor, I love mine.) But then we also have the Air models, whose production is being ceased, because they lack the battery life or other features in order to be so lightweight. Never mind the bending risk that's inevitable for any circuit board. Until we get a meteor made from real Kryptonite, the laws of physics aren't going to change much.
 
That device had a wrap around back cover nearly covering the entire phone which was anything BUT aluminum.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285276216642

Describing this as made entirely from aluminum or being comparable to aluminum unibody device is rich as hell.

Good to know, thanks! I'd only done a cursory lookup of the Note10 at the time:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20799085/samsung-galaxy-note-10-frame-aluminum-steel-video
The Verge confirmed that aluminum was the material it was made from.
 
I actually just had my 17 PM repaired due to dents on the frame [1x near usb port 1x on side rail]. Apple replaced the glass and body. $99. I figured that would have done a full replacement, but ended up doing a repair.
 
No. I chucked the phone as hard as I could at what I thought was carpet forgetting I put plates there, needless to say there was a giant explosion of glass and ceramic that shattered literally everything. The other time I put my phone down hard and it caught the metal tip of my keyboard and it acted like a glass punch.

Regardless who cares 2 cracked screens in over a decade of not using a case and zero modern phones cracking with the ceramic shield. So why would I cover a beautiful device "just in case" its stupid do you wrap your car in bubble wrap?

The amount of money I saved on the cases more then makes up for the small change needed to replace a screen. Especially if you have Apple care
That’s like saying you don’t wear a seatbelt because you’ve only had two accidents; luck isn’t the same as protection.

So you don’t wear a seatbelt because you don’t plan to crash either?

I use a case because I’d rather have a phone that looks new than one that looks like it’s been through a blender.
 
If I'm not mistaken, applecare+ doesn't cover cosmetic damage, so the skyrocketing claims would suggest broken screens or back glass or camera lenses or something else. It's not going to cover scratched up aluminum or even aluminum with small dents or tiny chunks missing from abrasion.

I think, for the same reason, they will still give you full trade in value, as long as the cosmetic damage isn't ridiculous lol. Like if your phone is 2-3 years old and looks like it was used normally for the 2-3 years, you'll be fine.

I think the 17 pro is probably about as durable cosmetically as a 6+ or 7+. It'll probably be fine.

I had a leather case for my 6+ and liked how it felt, so I bought one for my 17pm. I like it. It feels terrific and when I set the phone down on the table it doesn't wobble or slide around, because there's a leather-wrapped ledge around the camera plateau.

I did try a screen protector for the first time! It feels ok, I'm not exactly sure I'm a fan of it.. it adds weight. I like the idea of never having scratches on the screen!

I wouldn't use a case if it didn't feel beneficial when I use it. Like grippier or more comfortable or nice to hold.
 
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Under Apple Care?

Yup. I'm on the iUP, so Apple care+ come by default. Saved me from paying $857.

Apple confirmed & service page shows my iPhone is still covered by Apple Care+
 

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I hate throwing $0.50 (sold for $50.00) cheap rubber and plastic that will go sit in a landfill forever on my phones. Apple users pay a premium for design, so not all of them want to use cases.

Not using a case doesn’t mean you don’t care for your things. I never have run a case on my iPhone Pros, and my phones are always pristine by year end. But, that was when the were made out of materials that were made to stand up to normal usage.

Now, the only option is to wrap the thing in a cheap, tacky case. One that literally insulates the phone like a Koozie, completely killing any argument that heat dissipation is improved by the choice of an aluminum outer shell.

Re: OPs claim, I wouldn’t read into it much. If the account is true, it’s an anecdotal experience of one out of thousands of front-line technicians working at an international mega corporation that sells hundreds of millions of iPhones per year. That being said, I absolutely believe that across the consumer base, the 17 Pro and Pro Max will suffer more cosmetic damage than any other iPhone Pro ever released during its time in service.
 
I'm not even surprised about this. I see a lot of people walking around with iPhones without a case on in London at least. Also about 25% of those people seem to have smashed screen or obvious damage. There are just a lot of idiots out there.

Don't think that AppleCare and the underwriters don't know this and have factored it into costing.

Also they probably sold a lot of them so statistically more idiots will be owning them.

Mine lives in a case.
I just curious.. why do you want to spend thousands on the latest iPhone and bulk it up with a case? Where Apple is spending tens of millions to slim their phone down as much as possible to make it sexy.

just a different thoughts then...
 
I just curious.. why do you want to spend thousands on the latest iPhone and bulk it up with a case? Where Apple is spending tens of millions to slim their phone down as much as possible to make it sexy.

just a different thoughts then...

Which would you rather spend your money on if i get damaged.

$100+ on the repairs, or less then $30
 
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I just curious.. why do you want to spend thousands on the latest iPhone and bulk it up with a case? Where Apple is spending tens of millions to slim their phone down as much as possible to make it sexy.

just a different thoughts then...
I use a TechWoven case designed by… you guessed it, Apple!
 
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