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I have always had really dry hands all my life. Phones have been slipperier than wet soap bars to me since ever. Cases have been a huge help for me.

I’m one of those people who can usually take my fingers and clean a screen because of how dry my hands are (whereas most people leave fingerprints or streaks) - (even several hours after washing hands).

I couldn’t use a phone without a case if I wanted to. Yes, it feels nice but … it would become a flying missile before too long.
 
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That said, I haven’t dropped my phone that much - especially because it is in a case - gives me the grip I need to keep it in my hands. But … when I have dropped it, I’ve had a case save my need to drive to an Apple Store and spend a day re-setting up my phone more than a few times since the iPhone 4s.
 
We need a cool guide of your caseless rules.
I've listed them before. Most, if not all of them, case-users can't or won't be bothered to follow. It means paying attention and developing certain senses and routines they don't want to dedicate their time for. And while case-users often say that they are not careless and that they take care of their stuff, what that really means (IMO) is just that they put it in a case. They often do not think beyond that. Some do - and those are usally the ones expecting top dollar on resale and not a penny less.

My rules (for myself) require something that most case users don't want to give. It's easier just to stick a device in a case, forget about it and let the case take the hits and protect the device. I want to use my devices without a case, so that requires my attention. Hence my rules for myself.
 
I have always had really dry hands all my life. Phones have been slipperier than wet soap bars to me since ever. Cases have been a huge help for me.

I’m one of those people who can usually take my fingers and clean a screen because of how dry my hands are (whereas most people leave fingerprints or streaks) - (even after several hours after washing hands).

I couldn’t use a phone without a case if I wanted to. Yes, it feels nice but … it would become a flying missile before too long.
Yep, this exactly, way too slippery for me too
 
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I've listed them before. Most, if not all of them, case-users can't or won't be bothered to follow. It means paying attention and developing certain senses and routines they don't want to dedicate their time for. And while case-users often say that they are not careless and that they take care of their stuff, what that really means (IMO) is just that they put it in a case. They often do not think beyond that. Some do - and those are usally the ones expecting top dollar on resale and not a penny less.

My rules (for myself) require something that most case users don't want to give. It's easier just to stick a device in a case, forget about it and let the case take the hits and protect the device. I want to use my devices without a case, so that requires my attention. Hence my rules for myself.
And then there are those of us for who a bare phone is just too slippery to handle, can't put rules around that...
 
His rules are quite extreme, but he’s the only person I’d trust on this forum to handle a caseless phone.
I don’t think his rules are extreme. They actually make sense for someone going caseless. If you are aware of where you put your phone down each time and become accustomed to it, it becomes second nature, and prevents you from dropping it. Also having a designated place where you set your phone down ensures you prevent dropping and causing damage to your phone. I don’t see anything wrong with that at all. Ever since I started doing that, I’ve realized going caseless was the best thing I could’ve done. I have 1 case for when I go out of town due to I will not have time to get my device fixed if it gets damaged.

I realized this past summer when I went to FL (14 hours away from home), that not using a case and only smashing a screen protector (had extras with me) was easier than I thought, so I may not even use the 1 case that I do have for vacations next year. Glass protectors for the front and back should do just fine.
 
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The vast majority of my phone drops have been the "slid out of pocket" variety. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

I like how the leather case I bought for my 17pm feels, it has a nice texture and nice buttons.. but it does make the phone bigger and heavier in an annoying way.

The biggest thing? I really like how it feels when I set the phone down on the table! Without a case, I feel like modern smartphones with their big and funky camera bumps are super annoying to set on a table! They make that 'clack' as the camera lens hits the surface, they slide around, and they wobble.
 
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The vast majority of my phone drops have been the "slid out of pocket" variety. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

I like how the leather case I bought for my 17pm feels, it has a nice texture and nice buttons.. but it does make the phone bigger and heavier in an annoying way.

The biggest thing? I really like how it feels when I set the phone down on the table! Without a case, I feel like modern smartphones with their big and funky camera bumps are super annoying to set on a table! They make that 'clack' as the camera lens hits the surface, they slide around, and they wobble.
I had those a lot and the ones where the phone slid off my lap onto the concrete after getting out of the car. Now that I do not use cases, my phone sinks lower into my pocket preventing it falling out. To prevent it falling out of my lap when exiting the car, I keep it in the cup holder until I step out of the car and then put it in my pocket.
 
After making that comment about wobble, I decided to pull my 17pm out of its case for a bit to compare again.

Honestly the 17pm is one of the best phones i've had in a while when it comes to wobbling when sitting on a table lol. The plateau going across the phone does help a lot.

The worst I've seen is on the regular 16 and 17. Those wobble a lot.

I had those a lot and the ones where the phone slid off my lap onto the concrete after getting out of the car. Now that I do not use cases, my phone sinks lower into my pocket preventing it falling out. To prevent it falling out of my lap when exiting the car, I keep it in the cup holder until I step out of the car and then put it in my pocket.
The leather case is pretty grippy so it doesn't slide.. but it does add a ton of resistance when I just wanna grab my phone out of my pocket.
 
And then there are those of us for who a bare phone is just too slippery to handle, can't put rules around that...
Well for myself, I can. Not sure about you or others, just myself.

Because of 'slipperiness', my rules define where I put the phone down, where it goes in pockets depending on what I am wearing, where it goes on a desk, table, in the car, etc. My rules define how I pick up my phone and how I set it down. They define how I handle my phone, both in the places I am and if I am in crowds or not. It's an extensive list and most of it is because I 'almost' had a catastrophe.

I do drop my phones. I have never claimed not to drop them. But, because of what I force myself to do, it is rare. When/if it happens there is usually no damage. In 12 years I've broken only two devices sufficient to merit a screen or entire device replacement. Both of those times I violated my own rules because I was under the influence of an antihistamine and not paying any attention. It's when I am not paying attention that I drop things.
 
The vast majority of my phone drops have been the "slid out of pocket" variety. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Which, is one of my rules. :D

I tend to consistently wear the same clothes (I have multiples of the same thing). By this point I know which pockets on which clothes are dangerous to my devices.

Right now I'm in my sleep pants. They have the type of pocket that a phone will easily slide out of. So, the rule (for me) is that if I put my phone in my pocket, I have to be standing. And it's only for a short time, because if I slouch, then it can slip out. Sitting down? No way a phone goes into my pocket in these pants - ever.

But if I'm sitting down, the phone is already somewhere else anyway - in the designated spot based on my rules.
 
I don’t think his rules are extreme. They actually make sense for someone going caseless. If you are aware of where you put your phone down each time and become accustomed to it, it becomes second nature, and prevents you from dropping it. Also having a designated place where you set your phone down ensures you prevent dropping and causing damage to your phone. I don’t see anything wrong with that at all. Ever since I started doing that, I’ve realized going caseless was the best thing I could’ve done. I have 1 case for when I go out of town due to I will not have time to get my device fixed if it gets damaged.

I realized this past summer when I went to FL (14 hours away from home), that not using a case and only smashing a screen protector (had extras with me) was easier than I thought, so I may not even use the 1 case that I do have for vacations next year. Glass protectors for the front and back should do just fine.
Absolutely. If I ever considered going caseless, I would have to follow his rules. I wouldn’t want to destroy my $1100 phone or cause cosmetic damage that would annoy me.

He did mention that he works remotely from home, which significantly reduces the chance of dropping the device since he’s in a controlled environment.

However, I’m mostly out of the house, commuting a lot, and spend a lot of time in the city. My situation doesn’t lend itself well to using a caseless phone.
 
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Well for myself, I can. Not sure about you or others, just myself.

Because of 'slipperiness', my rules define where I put the phone down, where it goes in pockets depending on what I am wearing, where it goes on a desk, table, in the car, etc. My rules define how I pick up my phone and how I set it down. They define how I handle my phone, both in the places I am and if I am in crowds or not. It's an extensive list and most of it is because I 'almost' had a catastrophe.

I do drop my phones. I have never claimed not to drop them. But, because of what I force myself to do, it is rare. When/if it happens there is usually no damage. In 12 years I've broken only two devices sufficient to merit a screen or entire device replacement. Both of those times I violated my own rules because I was under the influence of an antihistamine and not paying any attention. It's when I am not paying attention that I drop things.
I honestly can't remember if I had a case on my 1st iPhone, the 3GS, the back wasn't flat if I recall. But from my 4S onwards I always used a case, never a screen protector.
I too am pretty meticulous on where/how I place my phone, most places it goes screen down and there are very few exceptions to that (eg my desk). I also have my phone in a holster, thus it rarely comes out eg in the car. But eg in a restaurant, only face down, and doing that would definitely require a screen protector. And then trying to pick up the phone from a table is sometimes a challenge for me without sliding it to lay a little over the edge ...
And sure I dropped my phone on occasions, but luckily have never had a phone damaged, not once, lucky me ;)

Whatever works for any of us is all cool, we are all different ...
 
I wouldn’t want to destroy my $1100 phone or cause cosmetic damage that would annoy me.
This is a VERY large reason why I force myself to follow the rules I create for me. I can't afford to be dropping devices and getting them fixed. But at the same time I want to not use a case.

Having to explain my carelessness to my wife is a big motivator to my sticking to things.

He did mention that he works remotely from home, which significantly reduces the chance of dropping the device since he’s in a controlled environment.
Yeah, and that will be changing in a week or so. I'm back to the office. That said, just like at home, there will be business card holders at work on my desk where my phone will go and it will stay there unless I'm using it or go out.

However, I’m mostly out of the house, commuting a lot, and spend a lot of time in the city. My situation doesn’t lend itself well to using a caseless phone.
Yeah, I've said in the past that if my lifestyle/job required being mobile a lot or working with tools/machinery, then I'd be using a case - at least for my job. There is nothing in my rules that can account for industrial accidents or other intense physical activity.
 
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Absolutely. If I ever considered going caseless, I would have to follow his rules. I wouldn’t want to destroy my $1100 phone or cause cosmetic damage that would annoy me.

He did mention that he works remotely from home, which significantly reduces the chance of dropping the device since he’s in a controlled environment.

However, I’m mostly out of the house, commuting a lot, and spend a lot of time in the city. My situation doesn’t lend itself well to using a caseless phone.
I will admit that working outside of the house does increase the chances of dropping and damaging your phone, which I have done with my 15PM before I traded it in. I had to get a screen replacement (even while using a screen protector) and rear replacement before I learned how to properly care for my device caseless. I’m hoping with my 17PM I do not have to file a AppleCare+ claim in the year that I will own it.
 
I honestly can't remember if I had a case on my 1st iPhone, the 3GS, the back wasn't flat if I recall. But from my 4S onwards I always used a case, never a screen protector.
I too am pretty meticulous on where/how I place my phone, most places it goes screen down and there are very few exceptions to that (eg my desk). I also have my phone in a holster, thus it rarely comes out eg in the car. But eg in a restaurant, only face down, and doing that would definitely require a screen protector. And then trying to pick up the phone from a table is sometimes a challenge for me without sliding it to lay a little over the edge ...
And sure I dropped my phone on occasions, but luckily have never had a phone damaged, not once, lucky me ;)

Whatever works for any of us is all cool, we are all different ...
I'll just speak to the face down thing. I'm not average on that. If my phone is placed down flat somewhere, I always place it on the back. Because if it slides/I have to slide it, then any scratching I want happening to the back. Lots of people, my wife included, place their phones down on the front for privacy reasons. I've already set my phone to not display notification previews on the lockscreen unless I'm looking at it, so no one is going to see anything except who I got a notification from. And that I don't care about.

Scratches on my screen because I placed it face down. Nope. On the back only.
 
I will admit that working outside of the house does increase the chances of dropping and damaging your phone, which I have done with my 15PM before I traded it in. I had to get a screen replacement (even while using a screen protector) and rear replacement before I learned how to properly care for my device caseless. I’m hoping with my 17PM I do not have to file a AppleCare+ claim in the year that I will own it.
I suppose part of things for me is how I choose to handle availability. I grew up in a time without cellphones. My teen years were the 1980s. So, if I was outside doing yardwork I could miss a phone call from a friend. That's one reason my dad eventually got an answering machine.

But this still holds for me. Yardwork is extremely dangerous to phones without cases. And, short of an emergency, any phone calls while I'm out working can be returned when I'm done. If it is an emergency, my wife is likely to be rushing outside to tell me.

So, my phone stays in the house during any and all yardwork. If I want to have music when I'm outside, then that's what older devices and iPods are for. If I damage those…shrug, oh well. It's not my primary phone.

I have reasons for not trading in old devices and that's one of them. I'd rather older devices take the hit.
 
I suppose part of things for me is how I choose to handle availability. I grew up in a time without cellphones. My teen years were the 1980s. So, if I was outside doing yardwork I could miss a phone call from a friend. That's one reason my dad eventually got an answering machine.

But this still holds for me. Yardwork is extremely dangerous to phones without cases. And, short of an emergency, any phone calls while I'm out working can be returned when I'm done. If it is an emergency, my wife is likely to be rushing outside to tell me.

So, my phone stays in the house during any and all yardwork. If I want to have music when I'm outside, then that's what older devices and iPods are for. If I damage those…shrug, oh well. It's not my primary phone.

I have reasons for not trading in old devices and that's one of them. I'd rather older devices take the hit.
That makes a lot of sense and something that I was going to start doing. The oldest device that I currently have is my iPhone X. I put up my SE 2020, and can’t find it after our move, so I’m looking for another one on Swappa and eBay, to use as an iPod.
 
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Which, is one of my rules. :D

I tend to consistently wear the same clothes (I have multiples of the same thing). By this point I know which pockets on which clothes are dangerous to my devices.

Right now I'm in my sleep pants. They have the type of pocket that a phone will easily slide out of. So, the rule (for me) is that if I put my phone in my pocket, I have to be standing. And it's only for a short time, because if I slouch, then it can slip out. Sitting down? No way a phone goes into my pocket in these pants - ever.

But if I'm sitting down, the phone is already somewhere else anyway - in the designated spot based on my rules.
This is just starting to sound like an SNL skit or some sort of satire now 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
This is just starting to sound like an SNL skit or some sort of satire now 🤣 🤣 🤣
LOL.

Yeah, it's just me. I'd claim OCD, but there are real sufferers of that out there who'd probably disagree.

In any case, it stems from being a young stupid teenager who consistently was forgetful about his stuff and more than once misplaced his wallet and keys. It stopped once I started forcing myself to put things in specific spots - every time. Since devices are often more valuable than wallets and keys (depending), I added that to the 'forcing myself to do X' bit.

I can't afford to lose/break stuff like that. And yet I want to be caseless with my phones. So, something had to be done (on my part).
 
I was talking to a friend who’s been a Genius at the Apple Store for years, and he mentioned that he’s never seen so many claims in such a short time for any iPhone model before. According to him, the iPhone 17 Pro’s aluminum seems noticeably less durable even weaker than the regular iPhone 17’s aluminum.

And this is just one store…can’t even imagine how much claims are getting activated globally due to the poor durability of the 17 Pros.

I wonder if this will affect the production material for iPhone 18 Pros
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