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[Mac'nCheese]

You should worry about yourself as you clearly have learned nothing from the religion that (I doubt) you follow.

On the contrary, I think he learned a lot from the religion he follows.

 

[blacktape242]

I find it absolutely hilarious of the amount of hate going on here.... so what if people don't approve of homosexuality.
Call them names, and diminish them.....even if they do hate homosexuality, coming back with anger and hate does nothing but make you look like a moron. It does nothing but create a divide, a divide that was there from the 1st place!!

If you don't agree with people, suck a lemon and get over it, move on with your life and welcome to the free world. Just because you get offended doesn't mean it should be on the news and all life as we know it should change.....go a set a balls.... no pun intended HA!

 

[steve knight]

Again...Wrong... Homosexual is choice, not born as homosexual. People choice to me homosexual and it is against God.

God created each one perfectly. It is someone choose to be sinful. Homosexual is sin. It is disgusting and outside social norm.

got proof of this? the bible says nothing of homosexuality. god made man man is not perfect god screwed up get over it. the first humans he made screwed up the first chance they got not perfect. incest and other crazy stuff in the bible. where did the Chinese come from eskimos?
prove humans are perfect show me one perfect.
remember god is judging you you are sinning. so no heaven for you. calling someone a sinner while sinning is a double sin Now god is really pissed at you. wait you are chasing people from god now you have triple sinned man god is sending you to hell

 

[oldmacs]

I find it absolutely hilarious of the amount of hate going on here.... so what if people don't approve of homosexuality.
Call them names, and diminish them.....even if they do hate homosexuality, coming back with anger and hate does nothing but make you look like a moron. It does nothing but create a divide, a divide that was there from the 1st place!!

If you don't agree with people, suck a lemon and get over it, move on with your life and welcome to the free world. Just because you get offended doesn't mean it should be on the news and all life as we know it should change.....go a set a balls.... no pun intended HA!

So we should just accept things like sexism, racism etc and move on? that is essentially what you are saying.

I'm sorry but while suicide rates amongst LGBT Teens are so high, then I will speak up. People don't choose to he homosexual so there is nothing to agree on.

 

[blacktape242]

So we should just accept things like sexism, racism etc and move on? that is essentially what you are saying.

I'm sorry but while suicide rates amongst LGBT Teens are so high, then I will speak up. People don't choose to he homosexual so there is nothing to agree on.

Suicide has ALWAYS been apart of life, I SEE IT EVERY DAY. I work in mental health, so don't start passing stats to me. But i do NOT categorize them in being gay or straight, they are people, they are NOT black, white...they are PEOPLE, thats all, they all have skin, bones, brains and so on, just like the people that hate gays and the people that hate people for hating gays.

I don't remember saying if they chose to be gay or straight, to me, i don't care, you are human, thats all.

You have to know these things exist even if you don't want them. Expressing hatred the same as what they do makes you no different, even if you think your opinion is correct. To them, their opinion is right. Its an argument you won't win. Good and evil will always exist even if you think you are on the good side. Just know where you stand, thats the best we can all do. This world doesn't need anymore self righteous a holes.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

God created each one perfectly.

Really? Explain hermaphrodites then. What are THEY supposed to do?

 

[oldmacs]

Suicide has ALWAYS been apart of life, I SEE IT EVERY DAY. I work in mental health, so don't start passing stats to me. But i do NOT categorize them in being gay or straight, they are people, they are NOT black, white...they are PEOPLE, thats all, they all have skin, bones, brains and so on, just like the people that hate gays and the people that hate people for hating gays.

I don't remember saying if they chose to be gay or straight, to me, i don't care, you are human, thats all.

You have to know these things exist even if you don't want them. Expressing hatred the same as what they do makes you no different, even if you think your opinion is correct. To them, their opinion is right. Its an argument you won't win. Good and evil will always exist even if you think you are on the good side. Just know where you stand, thats the best we can all do. This world doesn't need anymore self righteous a holes.

The difference is that I hate views that people hold that they've CHOSEN to hold, where as others hate people for who they are, for traits that people can not change. People who hate people for things they can not change are a problem. We don't accept sexism or racism in modern society, because it is intolerance (which can be changed) based on something that people can not change and regardless of that it is stupid.

Homophobia is probably one of the main reasons for suicide amongst LGBT teens. The pressure of coming out to families who are homophobic kills people.

even if you think your opinion is correct

There is no 'Opinion' to be had in terms of racism, homophobia or sexism. People don't get to choose their sexuality, race or gender (People can change their gender, but the same people who would hate someone for being a certain gender are gonna hate people who change their sex just as much), so there is no 'opinion' to be had on things like superiority of races, genders or correctness of sexuality.

 

[steve knight]

Really? Explain hermaphrodites then. What are THEY supposed to do?

Or trump.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Or trump.

Oh no no no. I know what Trump can go do. It involves long walks on short piers.

 

[oldmacs]

Again...Wrong... Homosexual is choice, not born as homosexual. People choice to me homosexual and it is against God.

And science proves you wrong. Basing science off the bible or tradition is stupid. Do you also think the earth is flat?

Again, I assume you ignore huge sections of the bible. Do you wear clothes of mixed fabric? You're a sinner. Do you eat crustaceans? You're a sinner. The list goes on and on and on.

Lots of science study are based upon predetermined objective. Just like science proven Global warming.

Why would the science of sexuality be 'predetermined'? There is no logical reason for that to be the case whatsoever. The majority of scientists work in a very objective way.

On the other hand, many sections of the bible were probably written/translated with certain objectives in view, things like population control etc. Homosexuality was probably in opposition to the early church's desire for the expansion of Christianity, so they wrote it as wrong.

The interpretation of the bible (particularly the new testament) as being anti gay is also done with objective - You've got to work fairly hard to pick out the mentions of homosexuality, and again, there are plenty of disagreements over what has actually been said. But apparently you'd rather be responsible for creating fear and hurt in the lives of LGBT teens, directly contradicting the messages of jesus, which are overwhelmingly aganist that sort of thing.

What is more disgusting is that the social movement of so called equality of everything. This movement is disgusting and is breaking our traditional core value. Today you may say homosexual is OK, it is not choice. Tomorrow you will say have sex with animals is OK, marriage equality right? This absolute equality movement has to stop.

This is absolute crap. Do you disagree with gender equality and race equality as well? "Traditional core vales" were that women were essentially slaves to men, and men could do whatever they wanted to their wives. I assume you also agree with underaged sex as that was the tradition as well.

The slippery slope argument is absolute crap as well. Same arguments used in the 50s and 60s to justify race segregation. Other than fringe lunatics, most would agree that sexual relations should be based on consent and being of an appropriate age and not being a relative.

Homosexual is sin in lots of religion and it is outside social norm for almost every single culture.

Whatever liberals trying to justify homosexuality is disgusting and they are the one that destroying the tranditional value. And they should be ashamed by that.

Though, I think it is up to God to judge homos. They committed sin and refuse to correct their behaviour. God will give final judgement.

P.S I respect homo, lot of homo can be decent human being. But homosexuality is disgusting and their action is disgusting.

The Social norm is again not a good argument. Christianity is outside the norm in many countries and cultures, does that make it wrong? It is the social norm in many countries that women get stoned to death - does that justify sexism?

Regardless there are also plenty of places worldwide where the majority of the population (when surveyed) will support LGBT people.

********. You have no respect for homosexual people, you contradicted yourself calling them disgusting. Hope you're happy that your backwards hate is the type that is responsible for mental illness.

 

[blacktape242]

The difference is that I hate views that people hold that they've CHOSEN to hold, where as others hate people for who they are, for traits that people can not change. People who hate people for things they can not change are a problem. We don't accept sexism or racism in modern society, because it is intolerance (which can be changed) based on something that people can not change and regardless of that it is stupid.

Homophobia is probably one of the main reasons for suicide amongst LGBT teens. The pressure of coming out to families who are homophobic kills people.



There is no 'Opinion' to be had in terms of racism, homophobia or sexism. People don't get to choose their sexuality, race or gender (People can change their gender, but the same people who would hate someone for being a certain gender are gonna hate people who change their sex just as much), so there is no 'opinion' to be had on things like superiority of races, genders or correctness of sexuality.

It's nice to know you have an opinion and that opinion is there is no opinion.

Obviously I'm well aware you can't change the way you were born, created or whatever, but to say you can't have an opinion on how you feel about those people is pretty short sided.

Let me ask you this and you have no idea who I am. If I was to say I'm for white pride for example. Does your opinion of me change and now I'm a racist? What if I was to say I believe in Black power? Do most people now think, oh man, good for him, he's proud of his black history. Why is having white pride a bigoted ideal and black pride is not? Slavery and civil rights? Ok, well I'm in no way responsible for black oppression so I will not apologize or sympathize with something I didn't do. Does that make me a racist? and what if I'm a black man? Same goes for gay rights. What did I do to oppress anyone? Maybe I'm gay and giving people a different way of thinking?

So if someone says they don't like guys, now they are a small minded bigot? But if they like gays they are an advocate? To me. That makes zero sense. I'm sure I'll be judged by other users of this forum. And honestly it doesn't bother me. I'm just tired of all the self righteous people in this world fighting for something they don't know anything about, they do t have an argument other then it's a right or won't thing. Does that go for everyone? No I'm sure there is personal experience. I have many.

Well right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? Just ask ISIS, ask an antisocial, ask a highly religious Christian or Catholic? You will get what's right or wrong in very different forms.
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And science proves you wrong. Basing science off the bible or tradition is stupid. Do you also think the earth is flat?

Again, I assume you ignore huge sections of the bible. Do you wear clothes of mixed fabric? You're a sinner. Do you eat crustaceans? You're a sinner. The list goes on and on and on.



Why would the science of sexuality be 'predetermined'? There is no logical reason for that to be the case whatsoever. The majority of scientists work in a very objective way.

On the other hand, many sections of the bible were probably written/translated with certain objectives in view, things like population control etc. Homosexuality was probably in opposition to the early church's desire for the expansion of Christianity, so they wrote it as wrong.

The interpretation of the bible (particularly the new testament) as being anti gay is also done with objective - You've got to work fairly hard to pick out the mentions of homosexuality, and again, there are plenty of disagreements over what has actually been said. But apparently you'd rather be responsible for creating fear and hurt in the lives of LGBT teens, directly contradicting the messages of jesus, which are overwhelmingly aganist that sort of thing.




This is absolute crap. Do you disagree with gender equality and race equality as well? "Traditional core vales" were that women were essentially slaves to men, and men could do whatever they wanted to their wives. I assume you also agree with underaged sex as that was the tradition as well.

The slippery slope argument is absolute crap as well. Same arguments used in the 50s and 60s to justify race segregation. Other than fringe lunatics, most would agree that sexual relations should be based on consent and being of an appropriate age and not being a relative.



The Social norm is again not a good argument. Christianity is outside the norm in many countries and cultures, does that make it wrong? It is the social norm in many countries that women get stoned to death - does that justify sexism?

Regardless there are also plenty of places worldwide where the majority of the population (when surveyed) will support LGBT people.

********. You have no respect for homosexual people, you contradicted yourself calling them disgusting. Hope you're happy that your backwards hate is the type that is responsible for mental illness.

Just to be the devils advocate. You are telling people to change their belief system regardless what that believe is because you think it's wrong? Hate hating hate does nothing for anyone but cause divide and quite possible pressure the unsteady and young to maybe take their own lives because the level of confusion and hatrid is a little too much?

Maybe?

My point exactly.

 

[oldmacs]

t's nice to know you have an opinion and that opinion is there is no opinion.

Obviously I'm well aware you can't change the way you were born, created or whatever, but to say you can't have an opinion on how you feel about those people is pretty short sided.

So essentially you think its fine to hate people based on how they were born. You're saying that its fine to be a sexist person, its fine to be a racist?

Let me ask you this and you have no idea who I am. If I was to say I'm for white pride for example. Does your opinion of me change and now I'm a racist? What if I was to say I believe in Black power? Do most people now think, oh man, good for him, he's proud of his black history. Why is having white pride a bigoted ideal and black pride is not? Slavery and civil rights? Ok, well I'm in no way responsible for black oppression so I will not apologize or sympathize with something I didn't do. Does that make me a racist? and what if I'm a black man? Same goes for gay rights. What did I do to oppress anyone? Maybe I'm gay and giving people a different way of thinking?

If you have intolerant feelings towards people who are not white, then you are a racist.

If you believe in black power, but you do not have a lower opinion of other races, then you are not a racist.

If you believe in black power, and you think that other races are lesser, then you are a racist.

There is NOTHING wrong with having pride in one thing, as long as you are not in the process degrading another thing.

If you hold and communicate homophobic thoughts/ideas - e.g. that gay people are inferior in some way then you are in part responsible for mental illness in the LGBT community because you are perpetuating ideas of hate and making it difficult for these people to come to grips with themselves.

So if someone says they don't like guys, now they are a small minded bigot? But if they like gays they are an advocate? To me. That makes zero sense. I'm sure I'll be judged by other users of this forum. And honestly it doesn't bother me. I'm just tired of all the self righteous people in this world fighting for something they don't know anything about, they do t have an argument other then it's a right or won't thing. Does that go for everyone? No I'm sure there is personal experience. I have many.

If they dislike gays, they are not really a bigot - being gay is not an opinion. The LGBT community is disadvantaged in many ways, less so now than before, but it is still there, so yes, if you support gays and you are not spewing hatred, then yes you are supporting them, and yes if you do dislike them (which is an irrational viewpoint given they can not change themselves) then you are making things worse.

Well right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? Just ask ISIS, ask an antisocial, ask a highly religious Christian or Catholic? You will get what's right or wrong in very different forms.

The difference is that religion is essentially an opinion of the world (disclaimer: I am highly religious myself) where as rational views are based on science. You can have religious views that are compatible with science. At the end of the day, any viewpoint, belief system or anything that chooses to dislike certain groups (be it races, sexes or sexuality) based on anything other than scientific fact, holds na invalid viewpoint.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
People in this thread have gotten very mean, spiteful and attacking, even for the PRSI. I'm closing this thread down, people are just arguing and not discussing.