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Maybe they simply have less interest in such things as coding?
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Maybe they simply have less interest in such things as coding?
CalvinBroadus
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I would like to think we've gotten to a point in society where we don't need to segregate things based on whether someone is male or female.
Anyone can code. Sure, men might prefer it. That's OKAY. Women prefer other jobs. That's OKAY. Why does everyone have to be the same these days? Men and women are biologically different. And that's OKAY.
Also, setting up an event specifically for females is not helping the problem. It just amplifies the fact that there are not as many women coders. Yeah, and a lot less male nurses. Who cares? If females enjoy that job, that's fantastic. We surely will never see an event like this to get male nurses. Let the people choose what they want...
If Apple is all about inclusivity which their PR team tries to show, then let's see the events they put out on International Men's Day. I expect them to do the same for males, especially since plenty of males would love this opportunity.
Anyone can code. Sure, men might prefer it. That's OKAY. Women prefer other jobs. That's OKAY. Why does everyone have to be the same these days? Men and women are biologically different. And that's OKAY.
Also, setting up an event specifically for females is not helping the problem. It just amplifies the fact that there are not as many women coders. Yeah, and a lot less male nurses. Who cares? If females enjoy that job, that's fantastic. We surely will never see an event like this to get male nurses. Let the people choose what they want...
If Apple is all about inclusivity which their PR team tries to show, then let's see the events they put out on International Men's Day. I expect them to do the same for males, especially since plenty of males would love this opportunity.
CalvinBroadus
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Logical statements like this will get you banned here on MacRumors.
StellarVixen
macrumors 68040
Or is it because they are taught from very early age "what is or girls" and "what is not for girls"?
Do you have any idea how powerful childhood programming is?
LizKat
macrumors 604
I would call your attention to an item in the linked piece cited below.
The magazine referenced in that piece, Minority Nurse, has been published for over 20 years now. Their focus has shifted in accordance with not only topics of interest to minority nurses, but to help meet the perceived need for changes in how nurses are recruited in order to serve the changing demographics (all of them) of hospital patients.
CalvinBroadus
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Men can be great nurses, no doubt. But it will always be a female-dominated field. Women are more drawn to nurturing roles. Men are typically more drawn to logical, process/problem solving roles. Basic human biology.
Less interest doesn't mean no interest.
Also, the most notorious hacker in my high school was a girl. This was back in the days of Novell NetWare.
Don't know where on earth you live but you sound like a Mullah/Mufti who advocates radical Islam. Such a narrow mindset.
Not too far from today, coding will be literacy and plumbers will be replaced by robots. I'd say let your daughters learn how to code and encourage them. I'll be a crucial skill in the future.
LizKat
macrumors 604
Basic human nursing now involves enough technology to make plenty of men regard 21st nursing as a tech specialty and so worthy of being tagged as a guy thing, if someone wants to take them up on the question during the occasional off-duty evening at the pub...
My point was that a nursing shortage certainly has driven recruiters to look for ways to attract more men, as opposed to your original stipulation there'd not be such events. Don't shift goal posts so obviously.
rosse59
macrumors newbie
Hmm... it's almost as if there's a difference in interests between a girl and a boy. ...
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NAAAAHHHHH!! That's stupid talk.
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How many children do you have and have raised to adulthood?
CalvinBroadus
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You replied to literally 1/3 of my original post and think I'm moving goal posts. Get a grip lol.
Dunno where you live, but there is definitely not a nurse shortage here. Nearly every one of my female acquaintances is either in school to become a nurse, or is currently one. Business is booming for nurses. Don't know any males in the field currently. Fine with me. Definitely a female-dominated field and will continue to be. At least until robots take over.
Vjosullivan
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CalvinBroadus
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Facts = trolling now eh? Hate to see it happen, bud!
definitive
macrumors 68020
dang, and i was just about to make a post about the gender pay gap being a myth. 🙁
that's ok. more and more children will be forced into being raised "non-binary", so we won't have to deal with this "lack of women who code" nonsense.
CalvinBroadus
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If all the kids are non-binary, these segregated female-only Apple workshops will have to be shut down. Sad!
StellarVixen
macrumors 68040
Zero, for now.
But I was a child. I also have three sisters. I also went through schools, and there I knew many girls.
Therefore, your argument is invalid. I know what many children go to, even though I do not have children, yet.
CalvinBroadus
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Just gonna jump in here. Just because you were a child at one point in time and know of females doesn't automatically make someone's argument invalid. The two are not correlated at all. I, too, was a child once. Also I know many females (as you might imagine by my stunning and captivating smile), but that doesn't automatically invalidate any arguments!
StellarVixen
macrumors 68040
And that is a problem why?
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So you really think parents teach their girls to like pink and play with dolls? Or could it be these differences in gender are part of human nature?
Well it does invalidate the claim that he knows nothing about children because he has none.
travoose
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Maybe...or maybe they genuinely feel that since it is male dominated there is no room for them. You don't know, nor do I, but I do know that the more opportunities for people to participate in something that they might not have considered is a good thing. If you don't feel that way, that is your choice and I respect that, just like it is my choice to feel the way that I feel about this and you should respect that.
cmaier
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I’ve been teaching my daughter and her friends coding in Swift from age 8. When exposed to coding and taught that coding is “for girls” too, they really love doing it.
travoose
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You speak truth. I was just thankful for an extra opportunity that was being afforded.
routine_analyst
macrumors 65816
Children should feel that they can do whatever they want. If they are pushed into one role or the other, it's the parents fault and how that's been engrained in society. However, when programs discriminate based on sex, race, religion, orientation are multiplying - we have a huge problem forming within society. Not all children are treated "equally." Another 30 years down the road and the only group that won't have a place in any aspect of society is the white boy who is frequently regarded as "privileged" simply based on color of skin, unable to get the same free boots as others because of what past generations did to society.
Interesting example... Boy Scouts of America - sued by parents of a girl who wanted to join. Renamed: Scouts of America, girls now welcome. Sued by Girl Scouts of America for dipping into their lane. Boy wants to join Girl Scouts? Too bad. You're a boy. Girl Scouts is apparently an "inclusive" organization" that surprisingly allowed one boy to join, stating "If a child identifies as a girl and the child’s family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout.” That doesn't sound like inclusion. That sounds like discrimination. If you're a boy you cannot join Girl Scouts, but hey, Girls are now welcome to Scouts. That's a 2:1.
The more we turn a blind eye to the "positive discrimination" within society, the more we fuel future disastrous exclusion which leads to more mental unwellness. If the true problem is the ones in power still enacting racism or sexism in the workplace, fire them, replace them with qualified candidates, regardless of sex, race, religion or orientation. But overlooking people simply because you assume they had it easier (when really no one knows the reality of another's life) is ignorance.
This coding program for girls should be a program for children. Whoever the hell signs up, more power to them.
I'll probably get backlash for this post and I'd like to state that I am actually a society minority and I have experienced discrimination. I do not accept hand outs and I have worked hard for what I have achieved. Don't conform to the mob.
Interesting example... Boy Scouts of America - sued by parents of a girl who wanted to join. Renamed: Scouts of America, girls now welcome. Sued by Girl Scouts of America for dipping into their lane. Boy wants to join Girl Scouts? Too bad. You're a boy. Girl Scouts is apparently an "inclusive" organization" that surprisingly allowed one boy to join, stating "If a child identifies as a girl and the child’s family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout.” That doesn't sound like inclusion. That sounds like discrimination. If you're a boy you cannot join Girl Scouts, but hey, Girls are now welcome to Scouts. That's a 2:1.
The more we turn a blind eye to the "positive discrimination" within society, the more we fuel future disastrous exclusion which leads to more mental unwellness. If the true problem is the ones in power still enacting racism or sexism in the workplace, fire them, replace them with qualified candidates, regardless of sex, race, religion or orientation. But overlooking people simply because you assume they had it easier (when really no one knows the reality of another's life) is ignorance.
This coding program for girls should be a program for children. Whoever the hell signs up, more power to them.
I'll probably get backlash for this post and I'd like to state that I am actually a society minority and I have experienced discrimination. I do not accept hand outs and I have worked hard for what I have achieved. Don't conform to the mob.