Yeah lets just EOL him and it will be so much better.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Discusses Privacy, China, Alex Jones and More in VICE Interview
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You appear to not understand the difference between "We" (meaning Apple) and "I" (meaning Tim Cook).
There's a chasm of difference between honest skepticism and mindless repetition of debunked myths. And there are real consequences to speech, which any reputable entertainer understands. The harm done by those who irresponsibly hide behind "freedom of speech" should be seen as criminal.
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Sadly, of late, that seems to be the definition of liberal. I miss the old days when conservatives stood for principals, even if I didn't always agree with them.
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It's really fascinating how you are arguing that Jones has a right to free speech but Apple does not. Would you make the same argument if a radical leftist app was banned from the app store?
That's one of the biggest fallacies ever. The conservatives have just as many outlets and voices as left leaning sites do. If Trump and the right would do more to warrant positive news instead of negative news it would be convered in favorable light.
The right is supoosedly for small gov't, morals, the constitution, and righteousness sure do the opposite alot.
Tbh we are past the point of civil liberties. Technology has transcended it to a certain degree. You're correct the government can't regulate it efficiency, or quick enough, even with agreement on certain issues.
With that said, I don't think the world will end because of this, I just think that you will have to become more and more reserved with what information you take in and trust going forward.
The only thing that annoys me here is that pretty much all major technology companies in the US are located on the west coast, which locks in that ideology into the potentially large influence they'll have going forward.
I don't know. That's kind of like saying why don't your figure out what's real and what's fake in the fact book?
Modern day book burning.
"I'm glad people like him are banned."
This is just another form of book burning.
The antidote to obnoxious speech is more speech.
If this poster is in Europe, it sort of makes sense, because those folks have had the boot on their throats for so long it's unsurprising they cheer when WrongSpeech is suppressed.
"hate" "anger"....just a mask for things you don't like or find offensive.
I remember when "progressives" were the heroic liberals standing up for unpopular ideas.
Now the word "progressive" has more in common with the word "Maoist."
Sad!
Tim’s response about curation is dubious
Ok so don’t curate Alex Jones but now people can’t even manually find it on apple’s ecosystem WHO WANT IT?
the fact he fast talks apple isn’t biased they have conservative and liberal shows, shows that’s bs. Sure there are both shows but you don’t ever see liberal shows or personalities being banned. Period.
His critics go on and on about the gay frogs. That’s their main counter argument and sandy hook. It’s peedictable.
He actually doesn’t bring it up that much and it is a university study.
Antifa has been labeled a domestic terrorist organization by the DHS. Think whatever you want.
Ok so don’t curate Alex Jones but now people can’t even manually find it on apple’s ecosystem WHO WANT IT?
the fact he fast talks apple isn’t biased they have conservative and liberal shows, shows that’s bs. Sure there are both shows but you don’t ever see liberal shows or personalities being banned. Period.
His critics go on and on about the gay frogs. That’s their main counter argument and sandy hook. It’s peedictable.
He actually doesn’t bring it up that much and it is a university study.
Antifa has been labeled a domestic terrorist organization by the DHS. Think whatever you want.
Ok Sparky, I'm going to call you out on this. What exactly do current Progressives specifically have in common with Maoist communism? I'll wait.
Oh... I forgot they might have a preview at the October event... I doubt it, but that would be great. Can't wait to see them fix the trashcan Pro (a great machine, but the Frankenstein effect it created with accessories all over it from the ports was a huge flaw compared to the previous tower).
By, say, showing up with a firearm at a pizzeria which Unterführer Jones broadcast was a child porn front. He liked what Jones was saying, so no problem, I guess. I choose not to listen to Jones, so I guess that event was still no problem. So simple!
There's no need to wait. Google "Antifa" and see the "anti-racists" and "anti-facists" who act just like the Maoists.
Or if that doesn't work, why don't you look at the behavior of the students and faculty on the University of Missouri campus in 2015 (Hint: Google "Melissa Click")? Or any other year since 2014 (Yale on Halloween is a good one).
Or wait. How about the Progressives that stormed the hearings of Brett Kavanaugh a few weeks ago screaming bloody murder and making fools out of themselves?
Want more? I can do this all day. My examples (and many more) are all leftist progressives having more in common with Maoist communists than true liberals.
Now, are they literally Chinese Communists from the mid-late 1930's? Of course not, but the behavior is eerily similar.
I don't understand why leftist progressives get upset when they are rightly called book burners.
Simple. They have an ideology and anyone who disagrees with it is an enemy. Left, right or otherwise it’s always the same.
Congratulations you got many likes it looks like people are waking up to the Socialist (liberal) agenda that wants us to become more like Cuba, North Korea, Russia, China or Venezuela (long list). These are the people that wanna teach us democracy and freedom of speech.
It is a very long list. But the left controls most of the levers of power in the media, the academy, pop culture and the school system, so you have to stay vigilant.
Well the “secular” leftists seem to like religious extremists, befriend them and protect their ideology from criticism. You don’t see these hateful religious people banned from Apple and Twitter or even mentioned on CNN.
I’m. With you. On this one ! Thank you for the point of view.
I think if anyone should ban anything, it should be a group of individuals, say, if a bunch of us didn’t like an agressive and irate member in the forum, the majority vote will get that individual suspended with due reasonable warnings. If they return and continue their assaults and attack style free speech, sparking false accusations and spreading false news, they the next level is we all ban them.
It’s like in real life, someone drives their car into yours, there are witnesses and then the cops need to review the accident, then the court and the insurance people. There is a process to all of this.
Yes, though Apple and every other tech “mediator” should have is a toggle switch between moderation and no moderation, users need to be reminded that there actually is a fine line between freedom of speech and hatful slandering falsifying speech intended in stirring mayhem, unrest and unreasonable fears.
There are so many, many examples out there of ways to express through free speech, so may examples of effective and ineffective approaches to free speech. Some people use it to divide, while others use it to unite, some use it to divide them and let them fight, while others use it to unite and co-operate, you see what I’m getting at? What do we “all” want to see happen? If the majority requires platforms to maintain a safe and balanced forum, then moderation shouldn’t become dictatorship authoritarian style but rather a users based moderation.
Having said that though, sometimes you just can’t win right? No matter what or how you express yourself or even where, you should expect very sensitive and irrational individuals who just wanna shut everyone down.
We’ve stopped really hearing each other out and regally caring about what is really being expressed, we just jump right to the worst conclusions about each other and say “no - no - be gone !” That is dangerous.
Love you all !
I love it when the leftists start quoting and respecting legal principles (or course, only the ones they agree with).
So I suppose you’re all for the NFL punishing players who refuse to kneel?
I mean, the NFL is not the government and they can make their own rules, right?
That’s like saying someone yelling fire without there being a fire and it causing harm as a result - the teller shouldn’t get in trouble.
When you become really big the government starts drafting up new rules and laws in the name of national security. Not many companies want to be on the bad side with the government. In the end it is either comply or start worrying about what problems to deal with next with the government. I could see Trump threatening and blackmailing Apple along with others for not complying with Trump’s demands.
Yea, but I seen an instance where a buddy was playing online chatting with someone (Alex Jones Supporter) on XBOX Live. This Alex Jones supporter started asking him to listen to the show and professing how Alex Jones water and vitamins and saving his life. It's a damn cult and they are all over the place almost to the point of knocking on your door like Jehova's Witnesses.
No, you can’t advocate violence and say that’s fair game. That’s just reckless beyond any reasonable thought.
I say let the fake news exist & be. Instead EDUCATE the masses on filtering out the fake news, but let the masses make their choice.
This whole censorship is nothing but a sign of insecurity by our current powers. They are trying to stop the inconsistent & different ideas from getting out. This is a very dangerous thing.
You people who cry "but these lies dont even belong in society", reality is there always was and will always be liars and crooks. Only difference is now those crooks are online & able to run websites/media sites. But just like always people need to educate themselves & make smart decisions. Bringing in government/corporate policing only makes things worse.
By banning Alex Jones they gave him WAY more attention than he used to have. They literally made it worse, & guess what he is not going away. This is crazy, these corporations need to let free speech be & instead educate people on making the right decisions. Or do they think we are too stupid ???
The fact censorship is so strong these days makes me suspicious. I think the current powers are feeling insecure & are afraid of the fact the public has access to so much information. They want to take that information away, bit by bit (Alex Jones was just an easy excuse to get the ball rolling) until we do not even know enough to fight it.
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No actually your friend just needs better friends who will help him smarten up.
Are Jehova witnesses banned from society? No. Are the scientologists banned? No. So why is Alex Jones any different. Your own example proves my point...