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"We're excited". Of course you're excited. You're exited 365 days a year. Parroting the same old rehearsed lines, that have zero value in them. Telltale signs of a weak and incompetent leader.
Well to be fair, he actually does look pretty excited whenever he talks about Apple and its products. He's got a company rich in resources and investments. He's in a good position to lead the company to do a lot of cool things in the field of health, AI, AR, and self driving car systems. It remains to be seen if he will lead the company in competent execution of all of its endeavors. But he's sitting on a ton of potential and that has to be exciting.
 
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RogerWilco

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I didn't say anything about income inequality. It's a serious problem and Trump/the Republicans would be the last ones to solve it.* Either way, manufacturing is not returning to countries like the U.S., Canada, Western Europe etc. It's over.

*In case it's not clear, I meant Trump has no ability or desire to end income inequality. Bernie Sanders would've stood a better chance. Either way, manufacturing will not be the solution. Any new plants that open here are pure tokenism.
If "manufacturing will not be the solution", what do you propose for the people in "wealthy developed countries" who find themselves without jobs?
 
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One thing I think I perceive in Tim Cook's comments about creating jobs in the USA is that he seems to be reluctant to speak without qualifiers. It's been "Yes we are for it, but" or "Yes, despite."

He doesn't seem to speak with the same enthusiasm he brings to announcements of job creation in other countries, especially China.

He acknowledges Apple couldn't have been created anywhere but here but at the same time seems reluctant for Apple to be perceived as an American company anymore. I get that it is now a global entity but he seems a bit reticent to embrace the market here. As if he's sold every Apple product to every American already and we are negligible, old news, no more opportunities. I just don't see the same spark and enthusiasm as when he speaks about investing overseas.

I wonder if I'm reading too much into it.
 

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If "manufacturing will not be the solution", what do you propose for the people in "wealthy developed countries" who find themselves without jobs?
Affordable education and other programs that help the working class. Higher taxes on the increasingly ultra-rich.

Elites like Trump are trying to sell you a fantasy that the genie of globalization will magically go back in the bottle, and it won't. They don't even want it to.
 

DevNull0

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That "incompetent" leader has taken Apple
To great heights and created Jobs all over the country, making Apple the most profitable company in the world. Stop making it sound as if he is not capable of leading Apple. He is a leader and leading this Company accordingly.

Scully propelled Apple to amazing profits and success on the stock market -- and with the exact same style and philosophy. And as a reward he was the highest paid CEO in Silicon Valley as Apple crashed around him. History really does repeat. The sad thing is there won't be a Jobs to bail out Apple this time when Timmy pulls a Scully.

Short term profit is not necessarily a good thing. Scully's Apple is a text book example they teach in Economics classes, and Timmy's Apple will be too.
 

RogerWilco

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Affordable education and other programs that help the working class. Higher taxes on the increasingly ultra-rich.

Elites like Trump are trying to sell you a fantasy that the genie of globalization will magically go back in the bottle, and it won't. They don't even want it to.
Your "solution" is predictably vague. Education does nothing for the people in the lower quartile of intelligence, and "other programs that help the working class" is what exactly? Oh that's right, we used to call that "help" a job. In your schemes for helping our fellow Man has the notion of human dignity ever crossed your mind? Jobs, even the menial and unpleasant, go a long way to providing a sense of dignity.

Higher taxes on the rich? Lol, now you're really off the rails. For one thing, there aren't enough of them to plunder, and secondly in case you haven't noticed, the rich run everything, including the government.

So once again we exit Sillycon Valley's Utopic fantasies and are right back to the real world where that funny machine with a blade that falls will likely begin its toil. And no one could see it coming...
 

unobtainium

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Your "solution" is predictably vague. Education does nothing for the people in the lower quartile of intelligence, and "other programs that help the working class" is what exactly? Oh that's right, we used to call that "help" a job. In your schemes for helping our fellow Man has the notion of human dignity ever crossed your mind? Jobs, even the menial and unpleasant, go a long way to providing a sense of dignity.

Higher taxes on the rich? Lol, now you're really off the rails. For one thing, there aren't enough of them to plunder, and secondly in case you haven't noticed, the rich run everything, including the government.

So once again we exit Sillycon Valley's Utopic fantasies and are right back to the real world where that funny machine with a blade that falls will likely begin its toil. And no one could see it coming...
Education and skills training helps people find jobs in the modern economy. Affordable education and single payer healthcare would improve the lives of the working class dramatically. There is plenty of money for it, and much less wealthy countries have figured out how to do single payer while spending less per capita than the US already does.

Bringing industrial jobs back to the US on a large scale is a fantasy. When you can manufacture things elsewhere for pennies on the dollar.

Higher taxes for the rich is an absolute necessity by the way. Wealth inequality is increasing dramatically, and that's what leads to the guillotines you mentioned.
 
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