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Apple CEO Tim Cook in Leaked Memo: 'We Are Doing Everything in Our Power' to Identify Leakers
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Darth Tulhu
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Agreed. I mean hey, I'd love a crackdown. I like being surprised by Apple Events.
But whoever leaked this memo has trouble putting his pants on, and it's just amusing to me how Apple has utterly failed to plug these leaks up.
Is it a cheap shot? Perhaps, but I don't think so. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. In any case, on this particular matter, I do not feel the need to play fair. Apple can hardly complain about leaks on the one hand when on the other it proposes incorporating surveillance software into its customers' iPhones.
Many of us have that situation at work. If we upload my employer's VPN onto our mobile phones, then it gives the employer the right to see the contents of the phone (although this right is rarely used, if ever). I suppose one solution is to have a work phone and a separate personal phone (I guess in Apple's case, an Android one). Personally while I understand the need for corporate confidentiality, I would not give a corporation the keys to my private life - they can look on my phone in my presence with my permission, but giving access to social media accounts etc. is a non-starter for me. A person is a not a job and a job is not a person.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The proposed CSAM scanning is not "surveillance" - that implies Apple employees (or some other human agents) are actively looking through the contents of your iPhone. That's not at all what would be happening. Apple would be completely blind to the scanning process (that's the whole point of on-device scanning). That's why I said your post was false equivalence. There's simply no comparison with an employee leaking confidential information and a completely private scanning process that you are both informed about and agree to by installing the iOS update that implements it.
How so?
Apple is 100% right in that people leaking product information or internal memos absolutely should be fired because it just means that at the end of the day, these people can’t be trusted.
I fail to see how there is even any controversy here.
And the human review of photos by Apple if the threshold number of 'CSAM hits' is reached? What about that? If false positives lead to even one instance of inappropriate human review of pictures, it is a violation of privacy.
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In any case, I hope Apple will begin to connect the dots between their desire for corporate confidentiality and customer's desire for privacy. Let me put it this way - Apple might engage in monopolistic practices. So, let us suppose that some sort of AI system were designed to flag potential illegal behaviour in this regard. Would Apple be happy for customers to review flagged material for referral to law enforcement? Of course not - not because they are engaging in illegal activity, but because there will be inevitable false positives that will trigger human review of material they want to keep to themselves.
Smart Timmy would have sent about 10 slightly different versions of that email to narrow down the culprits
It's also a false equivalence, not least because Apple is only scanning photos which were destined to be uploaded to iCloud, which would still have been scanned at the end of the day. So if you have no qualms about having your photos in your iCloud photo library account being scanned for child pornography, it really isn't any different from having said photos scanned on device as a precursor to being uploaded to iCloud. It's the same outcome either way.
if you don't want your images being subject to human review, then don't upload them to iCloud. Nothing's changed. If anything, the system being proposed by Apple is actually more private.
I fail to see any corollary between the two scenarios you cited.
So I take it you tacitly agree it's not surveillance since you've now jumped to another point. If you're concerned about the "less than 1 in 1 trillion" chance that your account will be have 30 or more false positives, then I suggest you not use iCloud for photos. It's an absolutely absurd thing to worry about to be honest.
Or, Apple *expected* them to do that, and now can come out with what the actual email said, thus destroying the journalistic reputation of every publication who published the wrong email. ACCIU - apple counter counter-intelligence unit.
So, let’s see. …. 147,000 divided by 10, so I carry the 1… hmmm. May need more fingers and toes… ah, yes. We’ve narrowed it down to one of these 14,700 suspects! We almost have them!Smart Timmy would have sent about 10 slightly different versions of that email to narrow down the culprits
How privileged this reads. While it’s nice you can hang out with friends and relatives, many of mine live 2500 miles away, and FaceTime and iMessage are godsends. Nice that when you call for a cab they actually came. For a lot of people that wasn’t the case. Nor did you know the price ahead of time, nor could you get a black car for the price of what cab rides used to cost. Garmin and TomTom were never as good as iPhone apps, so that’s just silly. Nice that you can afford a car. And one with a nav system! Good for you. Not everyone can. And I suppose yours are internet connected (like your Garmin and tomtom) so they are always up to date, you can search them for any business, etc. Nice.
Nice that you live in a place where you could buy any newspaper in the world or watch any tv station. And your newspapers were instantly updated when news events happened, and the new publication showed up immediately! And the newspaper delivery person followed you around and handed a paper to you as soon as you wanted one! That’s great!
I mean, why not end with “these young whippersnappers with their silly technology, missing the joy of their daily ablutions” while you’re at it.
The fact that Macrumors chose this picture reaffirms their growing anti-apple bias over the last few years.
Maybe they chose photo of Tim Cook to counter all the fan-boys on this site praising Apple?
Screen grab taken from Iron Sky2 -The Church of Steve Jobs scene.
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Apple will definitely try to stop the leaks. But still I think we will always continue to see leaks and rumours.
2. The battery life of the 13, 13 Mini and 13 Pro are all very respectable. If you look at Anandtech's battery life benchmarks the new 13 series will likely be near the top of their respective peers.
3. 90W charging on a 100Wh MacBook battery is fine. 90W fast charging on a 10Wh iPhone battery every night would greatly impact its' lifespan. The same principle applies to electric vehicles. If you DC fast charge your Tesla every day at 250kW the battery will wear out faster than if you slow charge at 7kW every day. Put that same 7kW through a MacBook or iPhone and you'll leave a crater where they once existed.
4. If I had my choice they would have USB-C but I really have not used the lightning port in half a decade for anything other than charging my iPhone 6s which will finally be retired tomorrow.
5. You're probably right but I use an iPhone 6S with one fixed camera so for me I don't really miss anything.
8. Actually yes, in Costco and the thing that caught my attention was how ugly the crease was when opened. It really felt like a gimmick, a device built because it could be built rather than what people wanted or the next great thing.
9. I half agree with you about it being locked down but my iPhone does everything I want from it, I used to jailbreak my iPhones years ago but Apple implemented all the best stuff and now there's nothing more I want added. So I prefer the security that a walled garden approach gives me. It just works. Android unquestionably has far greater issues with malware and security than iOS.
Maybe I'm getting old but iOS and macOS are really mature, great OS's that just work and work really well. I have far more issues with Windows and I say that as someone who see's themselves as an old school Windows guy and has built quite literally hundreds of servers and computers in their life. The tight integration of software, hardware, and services is what I find great with Apple and not something I find elsewhere.
It's damn hard to argue when someone states personal preferences as norms. All the points I raised are genuine concerns of a lot of users who like iPhones but don't use them because Android devices offer more (flexibility, freedom, specs).
I'm also a former jailbreaker and now only buy the cheapest but new spec iPhone to use it for App development. On the Android side I have an Mi 11x, which allows me to remove the OS and install a stock Android Rom. I haven't encountered any virus or malware, but that's maybe because I'm a pro user, who also avoids untrustworthy websites.
The experience is way too better than an iPhone, and trust me when I say this because I have both iPad Pro M1 and Macbook Pro M1, and won't trade them for Windows or Android ever. It's just that iPhones suck at a lot of things that I mentioned before.
What toxic culture. Can you prove it's a toxic culture? Or in fact it's a large organization that is getting mischaracterized?
Companies are entitled to their trade secrets.
Frankly, the employees making this a toxic culture should be dealt with?
What does a lot users really mean? If Apple sells hundreds of millions of iphones a year, the context of a lot of users is what?
In your opinion of course.
It's still all opinion and is based on what one likes and the use cases.