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100%. Not playing the dumbest game is definitely an option. If he chose that route, he’d be removed from Apple and could go enjoy the rest of his life. If he wants to remain in that role, he has no choice. I should’ve clarified.

These powerful and rich people sure are wired differently than me.

If I'd been Tim, with what I'd already accomplished and how well off I was ... and my age at this point ... I would have sailed off into the sunset this year (or as soon as able to as part of a transition plan), ending on a high note.

It's hard to imagine that'll even be possible for him now. No matter his obligations to the company and shareholders, he's forever stained his personal legacy by what he's having to "do" to keep going in his role.
 
The other part of this with Tim I wonder about is ...

Do we all just assume he's a way better person than he might actually be?

Money & power have a way of fully corrupting seemingly everyone other than a few ex-wives of billionaires.
 
Good! To get good treatment, even preferential treatment from Trump, one must pander to him. Tim Cook's kowtowing is beneficial to those of us in the Apple community. Helps hold our costs down.
This is one of the most distasteful things I have witnessed in my 70+ years. But I don’t think Cook has much choice either, given the narcissist in the White House. I would hope in the midterms, but I see that the redistricting and voter suppression is moving along apace.
 
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The other part of this with Tim I wonder about is ...

Do we all just assume he's a way better person than he might actually be?

Money & power have a way of fully corrupting seemingly everyone other than a few ex-wives of billionaires.

I have no reason to believe Tim Apple is a good person. His actions speak volumes for who he is. "He does it for the business" isn't a good enough excuse.
 
I have no reason to believe Tim Apple is a good person. His actions speak volumes for who he is. "He does it for the business" isn't a good enough excuse.

That's where my inclinations go as well, but I was trying to be charitable.

I agree with you, though, and what you do matters far more than any of the "why".

He doesn't have to be CEO of Apple. He's loaded and could do anything.
His choosing to partake in all this is the ultimate arbitration of his character, in my view.
 
These powerful and rich people sure are wired differently than me.

If I'd been Tim, with what I'd already accomplished and how well off I was ... and my age at this point ... I would have sailed off into the sunset this year (or as soon as able to as part of a transition plan), ending on a high note.

It's hard to imagine that'll even be possible for him now. No matter his obligations to the company and shareholders, he's forever stained his personal legacy by what he's having to "do" to keep going in his role.
The word “stain” is strictly anecdotal. Very similar to the line in the sand as to what constitutes “innovation” individually.
 
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I have no reason to believe Tim Apple is a good person. His actions speak volumes for who he is. "He does it for the business" isn't a good enough excuse.
I have every reason to believe Mr. Cook is a good person. His actions speak volumes, way more positive than many MR posters.

“He does it for business” - he is not Anthony Soprano.
 
I have every reason to believe Mr. Cook is a good person. His actions speak volumes, way more positive than many MR posters.

“He does it for business” - he is not Anthony Soprano.

"Good Person" has nothing to do with "being positive"

What an odd set of things to mention together.
 
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"Good Person" has nothing to do with "being positive"

What an odd set of things to mention together.
What Tim Cook has said personally and what Apple has done under his guidance is way more positive and genuine than how some MR posters come off. We all have our opinions. And while the use of the word “stain” is purely subjective, it’s hyperbole at the same time.
Anecdotal is really not the best word to use there.
Anecdotal or subjective is what it is.
 
Those things only exist in democrat's minds who are upset they lost a free and fair election. To those of us who live in reality, none of that is true.

Trump is in fact upholding law, order, and the constitution by enforcing the rules of this country. Just bc democrats don't like the laws, ignore the laws, and claim ignorance to the laws doesn't make them any less the laws of this country.
Breaking on MSNBC:

Two federal prosecutors have been placed on leave at the direction of the White House after filing a sentencing memo seeking 27 months in prison for a pardoned Jan. 6 rioter who brought illegal guns and ammunition to President Obama's house in 2023.

Yup!! Just upholding(upending) the law.

 
When all the blue cities are occupied by the military, when we're all afraid to post our negative opinions of the government online, when U.S. citizens are occasionally disappeared to prisons in foreign countries, and when congress has turned over all its power to the president, then I'll remember that Tim Cook helped to usher in this era.
 
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Breaking on MSNBC:

Two federal prosecutors have been placed on leave at the direction of the White House after filing a sentencing memo seeking 27 months in prison for a pardoned Jan. 6 rioter who brought illegal guns and ammunition to President Obama's house in 2023.

Yup!! Just upholding(upending) the law.

Yes, they are. The individuals were pardoned, so the case is closed.

Joe Biden pardoned his entire family, so please spare me the pearl clutching.

Also seriously, MSNBC? That place is literal propaganda for those who lack critical thinking skills. If you would like, I can source some Fox News articles for you if you want more propaganda.
 
Tim better watch himself. Too much of Trump hurts your future sales. Ask Elon about Tesla losing over million in sales and 16% loss in profits.

Is Tim the next Elon? I sure hope not!
 
These powerful and rich people sure are wired differently than me.

If I'd been Tim, with what I'd already accomplished and how well off I was ... and my age at this point ... I would have sailed off into the sunset this year (or as soon as able to as part of a transition plan), ending on a high note.

It's hard to imagine that'll even be possible for him now. No matter his obligations to the company and shareholders, he's forever stained his personal legacy by what he's having to "do" to keep going in his role.

While ending on a high note is generally preferred, it doesn't always happen (I'd argue it rarely does). I wonder if Tim was hoping Vision Pro would be his swan song? That wonder shift to foldable. or maybe Apple Specs will be his "peace out" moment? Only a small handful at Apple have any idea.

While he is human, and not without his missteps, I do think history will look back on him much more fondly than these forums. He'll likely be most remembered for taking Apple from where it was when Steve passed to a $4T (and counting) company. That is not at all insignificant. It will be studied for decades. I think he did a great job job following in such cavernous footsteps. In most case, the person that follows such massively iconic figures, tend to fade much faster than Tim. Why is that? Because he delivered for his boss(es). Big time. Approve of him or not, it's irrelevant. Dude exceeded expectations in the areas he was tasked to focus.
 
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