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Apple CEO Tim Cook Learned to Code in College

WatchFromAfar said:
Why blame Chromebooks? Why didn't you say google docs is a pain on a Macpro?
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If you're on a Mac, you can use Microsoft Word + share via Airdrop, no internet connection needed.

I know a parent that's volunteering at her daughter's school, they're having the most difficult time using Chromebooks. 8 year olds have the toughest time typing in their teacher's email to share a google doc.
 
Yet, Tim can't see the terrible state of Apple software. Maybe he's looking for coders to fix it.

BTW, coding is not difficult...if you have a good math background. It's just a matter of building up experience with various concepts until you hit a critical mass of knowledge. It's one of the few reasons to get a college degree.
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BaltimoreMediaBlog said:
I studied Fortran, 6502 machine language and other HEX coding.
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At one point, I could code 6502 machine language without the assembler. Small instruction set. 0xA9 = LDA...that's the only one I remember now :D!

The good old days!
 
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If Tim would have had some notion of software development, he would have vetoed parallel version development in iOS (simultaneously working on 11.2.1, 11.2.5, 11.3, even with beta programs going on) This very much explains returning bugs and (Wifi, Bluetooth, CarPlay, MS Exchange) anomalities - which as far as I can say have returned since.
 
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cube said:
If you write Java you're coding but not necessarily programming. You can program in pseudocode or program and code at the same time.

There was a time when it was common to have Coders translating programs made by Programmers.
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Computer Programmers write programs and to do that they use a coding language, hence programmers code...

I wouldn't get hung up on terms, there are many terms currently in use to describe almost the same or variations of work from coder, software developer, software engineer, programmer
 
For some reason, these "everyone can code" kinds of initiatives annoy me. It's like saying "everyone can be a brain surgeon" or "everyone can be president". No you can't. You can do some of them. You can be president if you have a spare billion dollars in the bank and you can be a brain surgeon if you're good at science and like to slice things up, but we're all different so there's no job or activity that will suit "EVERYONE" (other than breathing, perhaps).

Here in the UK there was an initiative called "The Year of Code" and they picked someone (who's name escapes me) who hadn't written a line of code in her life as the spokesperson (because "EVERYONE" can code). She was interviewed on TV saying how easy it was to code despite not having any idea of what that actually meant.

Some people will be able to code and some people won't be able to code. It will have nothing to do with gender or background. But saying "EVERYONE" can code simply isn't true.

I'm trying to count to 1010 in binary but I don't seem to be able to get past 0001 before I start screaming.

Incidentally (for what it's worth) for me, it was BASIC on a ZX-81, Assembler on a Commodore 64, FORTH (and then C) on a Commodore Amiga and these days whatever pays the bills on my Mac Pro.
 
AJClayton said:
For some reason, these "everyone can code" kinds of initiatives annoy me. It's like saying "everyone can be a brain surgeon" or "everyone can be president". No you can't. You can do some of them. You can be president if you have a spare billion dollars in the bank and you can be a brain surgeon if you're good at science and like to slice things up, but we're all different so there's no job or activity that will suit "EVERYONE" (other than breathing, perhaps).

Here in the UK there was an initiative called "The Year of Code" and they picked someone (who's name escapes me) who hadn't written a line of code in her life as the spokesperson (because "EVERYONE" can code). She was interviewed on TV saying how easy it was to code despite not having any idea of what that actually meant.

Some people will be able to code and some people won't be able to code. It will have nothing to do with gender or background. But saying "EVERYONE" can code simply isn't true.

I'm trying to count to 1010 in binary but I don't seem to be able to get past 0001 before I start screaming.

Incidentally (for what it's worth) for me, it was BASIC on a ZX-81, Assembler on a Commodore 64, FORTH (and then C) on a Commodore Amiga and these days whatever pays the bills on my Mac Pro.
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excel maybe .

But kinda odd nowdays, not much people do programming in older age. And most expectation was like want to build system like "FACEBOOK" but only have small budget. And most help startup to work on feet.. Wozniack maybe nobody knew then Steve but .. let we said "Marketing win all"
 
Bacillus said:
If Tim would have had some notion of software development, he would have vetoed parallel version development in iOS (simultaneously working on 11.2.1, 11.2.5, 11.3, even with beta programs going on) This very much explains returning bugs and (Wifi, Bluetooth, CarPlay, MS Exchange) anomalities - which as far as I can say have returned since.
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They probably are.. im pretty sure features for iOS 12, 13+ also are in development now - in parallel.. thats how things typical work.
 
plexdk said:
They probably are.. im pretty sure features for iOS 12, 13+ also are in development now - in parallel.. thats how things typical work.
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er. dam crazy if patch like that.. But the macos root fiasco prove it.
 
plexdk said:
They probably are.. im pretty sure features for iOS 12, 13+ also are in development now - in parallel.. thats how things typical work.
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No, that's how things go only in overhyped, unorganised organisations that disregard elementary SW development rules. There is no problem with some separate prototyping for iOS12/13+, but the actual coding should go along a single, mission-critical line to prevent bugs and anomalities returning
(I know that some merely isolated parts of a SW project can be done in parallel but that requires far more rigid testing and generally doesn't pay off. Apple demonstrated that its internal testing is out of order. Companies with enough momentum and resources shouldn't allow that. Period)
 
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farewelwilliams said:
If you're on a Mac, you can use Microsoft Word + share via Airdrop, no internet connection needed.

I know a parent that's volunteering at her daughter's school, they're having the most difficult time using Chromebooks. 8 year olds have the toughest time typing in their teacher's email to sh are a google doc.
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And (heaven forbid) if you've on a Mac you can be using Google docs. You got a problem with Google docs; fine , good for you. Don't blame Chromebooks, Google docs is the same if you access it from a Chromebook, or a Mac, or a Windows PC, or a Linux distribution etc etc...
 
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Yeah coding when he was in college is very different to coding today. It doesn’t really change the fact that Tim is not a tech driven CEO. He hasn’t been coding for decades and his understanding of software engineering in general won’t matter in today’s world unless he has actually actively kept himself familiar with the ins and outs today.
 
dilbert99 said:
Computer Programmers write programs and to do that they use a coding language, hence programmers code...

I wouldn't get hung up on terms, there are many terms currently in use to describe almost the same or variations of work from coder, software developer, software engineer, programmer
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Programmers code but coding is not programming.
 
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Maybe he learnt to code in college, but he really looks like he never wrote more than the code he was asked to write in the subjects he took, and that he just forgot everything the next year, when he perhaps joined a students political lobby.
 
There was no coding class or computers at our schools so I taught myself assembly and basic in 9th grade on my Atari 600 & 800 XL and then assembly on my 128 Mac.
 
I had no assembler for my home computer, so I programmed a little video game in assembly, coded it in machine language, DATA entered it, and it just worked.
 
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AJClayton said:
For some reason, these "everyone can code" kinds of initiatives annoy me. It's like saying "everyone can be a brain surgeon" or "everyone can be president". No you can't. You can do some of them. You can be president if you have a spare billion dollars in the bank and you can be a brain surgeon if you're good at science and like to slice things up, but we're all different so there's no job or activity that will suit "EVERYONE" (other than breathing, perhaps).

Here in the UK there was an initiative called "The Year of Code" and they picked someone (who's name escapes me) who hadn't written a line of code in her life as the spokesperson (because "EVERYONE" can code). She was interviewed on TV saying how easy it was to code despite not having any idea of what that actually meant.

Some people will be able to code and some people won't be able to code. It will have nothing to do with gender or background. But saying "EVERYONE" can code simply isn't true.

I'm trying to count to 1010 in binary but I don't seem to be able to get past 0001 before I start screaming.

Incidentally (for what it's worth) for me, it was BASIC on a ZX-81, Assembler on a Commodore 64, FORTH (and then C) on a Commodore Amiga and these days whatever pays the bills on my Mac Pro.
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Initiatives like this aren't supposed to make everyone expert programmers they're there to introduce you to the subject. I took wood shop in high school but that doesn't make me a carpenter or cabinet maker, I also took a computer programing class in high school where a learned a little basic but that doesn't mean that I can program, but after taking those classes I knew I had no real aptitude in either field but I leaned a bit. Kids need exposure to all sorts of things to include computer programming.
 
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This just in, Tim learned to tie his shoes from his mother. Stay tuned as this story develops.
 
rafark said:
"Coding"?, sigh. Can we start using using better terms? Nothing screams "amateur" more tan coding and coder. Wonder who was the first company to start the trend.

Just came from Apple's website: "coding language"? Now what is that abomination?
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That's what everyone has called it for a long time. I have C++ books from the mid-90s that say "Coder" in them.
 
farewelwilliams said:
blame chromebooks. i know first hand how much of a pain they are to use. sharing a stupid file on google docs extremely difficult for everyone in the classroom, especially from student to teacher (as opposed to handing in your paper). but yet, because of the price of chromebooks and budget cuts, they remain super popular in the education space.
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I'm not sure you understand his point. You seem to be missing it entirely .. it has nothing to do with chromebooks and ease of use (or lack thereof).
 
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I too learned to code in college, there was no computer science in "high school" (comprehensive as it was in the UK) in 1980-82. I learned a 3G language called C++ and progressed upon qualification to work at an IT service provider with a 4G language called ABAP. Nevertheless I do not consider any of this of any substantial consequence apart from being part of a path, stepping stones in life towards a higher goal which ultimately is achieved via concentration upon ulterior subject matter.
 
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