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Apple CEO Tim Cook Learned to Code in College
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Tim Cook ran Worldwide Operations for Apple and can still sit back and say learning to code is better than learning foreign languages. When you can easily rely on your own personal translator/interpreter when dealing with people outside of the US, I guess that's the opinion one would easily form.
When I want to apply to various international jobs on the Apple Careers section which fit my skill set - minus the required foreign language requirements - I guess I can explain that my decision to learn coding over foreign language has been ok'd from the commander in chief.
Tim Cook ran Worldwide Operations for Apple and can still sit back and say learning to code is better than learning foreign languages. When you can easily rely on your own personal translator/interpreter when dealing with people outside of the US, I guess that's the opinion one would easily form.
When I want to apply to various international jobs on the Apple Careers section which fit my skill set - minus the required foreign language requirements - I guess I can explain that my decision to learn coding over foreign language has been ok'd from the commander in chief.
1. I am 48 and Tim is 57. When I attended a private high school in New England from 1986-1989, Programming was JUST being offered. It was extremely rare that public high schools in 1986-1989 in the vast majority of the USA were offering any kind of programming courses. Since Tim is 10 years older than me, that means he was in high school roughly 1976 to 1979...trust me, no high school in the USA was offering programming back then.
2. I (and many others around my time) learned to code outside of high school. I taught myself when I was 13. BASIC, Assembler, and PASCAL. High School taught PASCAL and BASIC. Going into college, I learned VB, COBOL, and some others. Oddly, I never touched any variation of C. After learning all the other languages, learning C would just just been another language (although it is superior to others in many ways).
3. I think "learning to code" is really more about learning to write logic. If you can't logically understand what you want your application and every single sub-system of the app to do, you'll never be a programmer. Some people just aren't logic-minded...just like I'm not art-minded (drawing). I think if kids learned to code starting in 5th grade, they would really see why and how computers are dumb and us humans have to write the apps using logic.
2. I (and many others around my time) learned to code outside of high school. I taught myself when I was 13. BASIC, Assembler, and PASCAL. High School taught PASCAL and BASIC. Going into college, I learned VB, COBOL, and some others. Oddly, I never touched any variation of C. After learning all the other languages, learning C would just just been another language (although it is superior to others in many ways).
3. I think "learning to code" is really more about learning to write logic. If you can't logically understand what you want your application and every single sub-system of the app to do, you'll never be a programmer. Some people just aren't logic-minded...just like I'm not art-minded (drawing). I think if kids learned to code starting in 5th grade, they would really see why and how computers are dumb and us humans have to write the apps using logic.
I was in engineering school after Tim was and the only coding that was required was FORTRAN at the sophomore level. There were no coding classes in the junior and senior levels.
I don't know where the assertion that industrial engineering requires a coding background came from, but the reality is at the time Tim was in school in 1978-1982 extremely few students would have had a personal computer and a substantial majority would have used the computer labs at the school. Coursework was textbook based except for some limited exposure to specific engineering software (students used it, they didn't write it) and the aforementioned extremely simple introduction to FORTRAN or a similar language for one semester.
Sounds like Tim Cook is blowing smoke up everyones back side and making it sound like he learned a whole lot more about coding than he really did. Unless he got a minor in computer science along with his IE degree the coding education he would have completed is very limited.
I don't know where the assertion that industrial engineering requires a coding background came from, but the reality is at the time Tim was in school in 1978-1982 extremely few students would have had a personal computer and a substantial majority would have used the computer labs at the school. Coursework was textbook based except for some limited exposure to specific engineering software (students used it, they didn't write it) and the aforementioned extremely simple introduction to FORTRAN or a similar language for one semester.
Sounds like Tim Cook is blowing smoke up everyones back side and making it sound like he learned a whole lot more about coding than he really did. Unless he got a minor in computer science along with his IE degree the coding education he would have completed is very limited.
I think we should just acknowledge that a week ago we didn't even know he took classes on how to code in college and maybe not assume anything about this man's ability or intelligence.
I bet I'm a better coder than Tim
I bet he's a better CEO than you!
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Using them and programming them are two different issues. Learning to program them can only be a good thing.
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I'm sure Tim Cook can code or program in some way and is extremely smart and intelligent, but I cannot stop laughing at "Industrial Engineering degree in Alabama." At his age, and being in Alabama, that means, he learned about farm technology, not computers! HAHA!
I doubt they even had computers at Auburn widespread back then.
Indeed we did have computers at Auburn before and during Tim Cook's time there. An IBM 360 mainframe, programmed with FORTRAN by punch cards, and HP 3000, running BASIC from dial-up terminals. The IBM PC may have hit campus by the time Tim graduated, but I was out of there in '78, so I don't know for sure. The punch card machines were located in the industrial engineering complex, and the IE department had several computer classes. IE did not deal with farm technology. But the agriculture department might have!
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Tim just had to take them across campus to the Math building in the blistering heat.
To add more context, this is also from the same company whose current CEO also said "why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"
"Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones,” Cook added.
Steve had some humbling moments and leadership ones as well, but TBF, Steve also stood out in cases where he was just downright weird (e.g. he didn't want to have a back license plate on his car, so he bought a new vehicle every "x time frame" as a loophole around that CA DMV requirement), or just a plain *******.
“computers in schools and the over-reliance on them, is hurting the learning process and causing problems within the human brain.”
if a chromebook is difficult to use but children overrely on them, can it hurt the learning process? yes. can it cause stress and therefore cause problems within the human brain? yes.
the post was vague enough that my reply can be related to what he’s talking about
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can you access your file on google drive and share it if the school’s internet is down and you didn’t “make it available offline” beforehand? nope, and that’s what happened to one school in southern california in 2016. now if they just used Word and saved the file .docx and shared it over airdrop...
blame chromebooks.
Exactly my point. Steve was, in a word, interesting.
Tim Cook, in two words, is not.
Not to be overly technical, but the iOS simulator is a real simulator. If Apple were to renamed it "Emulator" without changing how it works, only then would it be a fake emulator (i.e. not really a simulator)
I'm glad Apple provides a simulator rather than an emulator. Because emulators are resource hogs (Android Emulator, for example, which really is an emulator).
If want to test my app in as authentic an environment as possible, I'll run it on a device. Otherwise, a simulator is just fine.
my request just a simple thing.. Example tester don't have iphone X want to upload the IPA to emulator.Just drag and drop the IPA without thinking to compile and see all those nasty notice error (I do annoy see all those, not as perfectionist but just precaution )
Overhead ram not an issue nowdays since i see more people here have 16GB which i only have 8GB RAM.
not sure what point you are making
I think most people will agree that a lot of terms are used interchangeably and the English language evolves.
Take terms like hacker or geek vs nerd
I write code, I also design, program...
I don't distinguish between the terms.
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"blame chromebooks" any item that you can view in Goolee docs, perhaps I'm not being clear, you can save as a PDF, then you can view it on Windows, MacOS. Linux, iOs etc seems to me you just don't want to.
no war term fighting.. it pretty useless sir .Neither it was code, or coder or coding.. it same to me.. but programming i see tv also have term like that.. There more odd thing term in programming.. simple like this can be ignore
And Apple Objective C and Swift have more freakin odd more term compare to normal language.. That already confuse enough for me daily
Language evolve.. Sometimes deal with America WAY or British WAY or SLANG base kinda confuse but in long term , just ignore learn as it.
no, you're just not understanding me. i never said you can't view google docs on other platforms. i'm saying if the school's internet goes down, you can't even access your google docs (which actually happened to a school in southern California) unless you made specific documents "available for offline" beforehand (not many students did). one of the parent volunteers at school had to setup a mobile hotspot from her phone to allow students to grab their documents.
also, ask any 10 year old using a chromebook in school to share a PDF with you. they wouldn't even know how to do that. chromebooks aren't easy to use and I've received first hand complaints of them. they're just cheap, hard to use laptops.
I grew up in the 80's to the 90's.
Encyclopedias - learning how to research, critical
Typing was critical (transferrable to using computers)
Computers - Learning how to use them, critical
Sports - Health for life, was enthused.
I've NEVER seen anything on such a global scale and so much finances, beyond even Apple being thrown to coding! It's like the world is expected to end and everyone will need to code to come up with all sorts of computing solutions needing to migrate, and live on another planet or something just as profoundly fantastical and hypothetical.
Yet why such a large push of this magnitude?
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Frank Herbert, Dune, Butlerian Jihad
Jihad, Butlerian: (see also Great Revolt) — the crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots begun in 201 B.G. and concluded in 108 B.G. Its chief commandment remains in the O.C. Bible as "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."
an old book I read ... somehow Frank Herbert was truly ahead of his time, and even made this somewhat of a mythical religous revolt in his books, very interesting.
Back in the 70s I was using FORTRAN, hand-punching cards and posting them down to London University for processing; later connected via modem (put phone handset in modem box and shut lid) to Honeywell Glagow. Also used BASIC.
(Never tried COBOL or ALGOL and others).
(Never tried COBOL or ALGOL and others).