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And then what? Hire Americans to make Apple products?.. I hope you don't mind spending $2,000 for an iPhone.. with a contract!

I wouldn't mind at all. Realize that if such a thing were to happen, the wages of such workers would be commensurate, and it would also have an indirect effect of raising wages across many industries due to the drain on labour.
 
I wouldn't mind at all. Realize that if such a thing were to happen, the wages of such workers would be commensurate, and it would also have an indirect effect of raising wages across many industries due to the drain on labour.

If China dump their treasury holdings you may get your wish. :rolleyes:
 
I wouldn't mind at all. Realize that if such a thing were to happen, the wages of such workers would be commensurate, and it would also have an indirect effect of raising wages across many industries due to the drain on labour.

American wages and benefits WOULD mean an end to Apple's profit margins ... and THAT just ain't going to happen.
 
Tim can do many things, like threaten to pull manufacturing from China. He couldn't do it immediately, but Apple would start talks to pull out of China eventually. Apple employs way too many people for China to not take notice. Of course, it China's call.

That would take at least 5-10 years unless you don't want to find an iPhone or iPad in stock anywhere for years. And at this point, they don't even have an alternative place to go to.
 
Careful, Timmy. The Chinese are very focused on saving face, so it can be very hard to publicly call them out on some BS without having much deeper repercussions occur right back at you.
 
They are phishing attacks. You know that they complied by the absence of more phishing attacks.

Type https://www.apple.com into Safari. If it responds with an error that the certificate that the site returned is not quite correct, then you know there's a phishing attack.

The most popular browser in China does not tell the user there is a certificate error in the iCloud hack. The user would have no reason to suspect an issue.
 
If that were the case then the iPhone would never be allowed to sell in China officially.

The Chinese probably don't need access to the phone since there are iCloud servers are located in China. That is what they are trying to get access to iCloud with this phishing attack it seems.
 
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Not outsourcing to China = going back to USA to hire people. You have strong logic there mate.

If you have forgotten, let me remind you that there are tons of other countries around the world where Apple could outsource to. In some countries such as Vietnam and Indonesia, guess what, the labor is even cheaper than it is in China.

But I guess Apple will never pull out of China. It's a market of 1.3 billion people. Unless people around the world start boycotting Apple or the Chinese government forbids Apple from selling stuff there, why would Apple pull out? The ultimate goal for every firm is to maximize profit after all.

Also...
Pulling out of China would be unfair.
When it came out the details of PRISM... that the NSA is snooping & illegally harvesting data from us here and from other countries abroad... of course they were upset... & Obama had to go to meetings and apologize and make nice.
But thankfully the world was "grown up" enough not to flip out so far as to boycott and embargo us. What bs of faux moral outrage if we took that tact with them!!!! Lol.
 
Does this have anything to do with me getting the iCloud login window popping up at random times these past few days?
 
Or Apple can exit, the same as Google has. China can try ignoring the rest of the world, like North Korea does, but it's more of a problem for those countries that choose not to cooperate than it is for those that do.

I don't think it's that easy. Apple is already making 50%+ of its revenue from outside the US, and China is one of the biggest country for sales and continues to grow. Add to that the fact that most Apple products are made in China. The reality is that this is a delicate and complicated dance.

Apple can threaten to pull out including all the jobs it has created there. China can threaten to block Apple sales in China. Here I think China has a slight edge as it probably doesnt care about Apple products and it realizes that Apple cant really take its manufacturing anywhere else right now.
 
That would take at least 5-10 years unless you don't want to find an iPhone or iPad in stock anywhere for years. And at this point, they don't even have an alternative place to go to.

Yes, it would take a long time.

But someone earlier asked what Tim can do - and that's pretty much what Tim can do.
 
Tim Cook: "Load up the Air Force One, were going to China"

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN
 
Timmy is only wasting his time, although it's a positive thing that Apple is is that much concerned about the intrusion yet the whole thing is a part of underground hacking war been going on for years and it's bigger than Apple in terms of simply asking the Chinese not to let it happen again, what Apple can do is keep working on securing their servers even more because future attacks will be far more sophisticated and the thing with cloud storage is that you won't easily win back the trust of your customers if their data is breached, it only takes one - two hacks before people start looking for an alternative.
 
I can confirm that this is true. I was just in China and had just gotten back from China. Had I known I would have not entered my password. I thought it was weird for it asking for my password even though I was on my own iPhone 6 and on my own iPad. What was odd was that I had to re type the password 4 times before it went through. I kept thinking that I may have mistyped my password but I was sure every time that I did not mistype my password. I changed my passwords now though upon seeing this story once I was out of China.
 
Not outsourcing to China = going back to USA to hire people. You have strong logic there mate.

If you have forgotten, let me remind you that there are tons of other countries around the world where Apple could outsource to. In some countries such as Vietnam and Indonesia, guess what, the labor is even cheaper than it is in China.

But I guess Apple will never pull out of China. It's a market of 1.3 billion people. Unless people around the world start boycotting Apple or the Chinese government forbids Apple from selling stuff there, why would Apple pull out? The ultimate goal for every firm is to maximize profit after all.

The requisite skills are not present in the US population and other populations in sufficient quantities. Even if Apple built the factories and had everything ready to go, they couldn't find enough people to hire. There would be a fair amount of education necessary for many before they could reliably do what they needed to. This isn't to argue that people aren't smart, or that they aren't capable, but that they don't know what they need to in order to perform the tasks involved.
 
Well Tim, there's ya first problem...

You met with Chinese. Let's not forget these are the same people Apple hates since they sell cheap "ifones" etc. and clones...

I guess Tim turns an eye but only IF they are a big enough market.
 
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Heh. This is what you get with a country who considers itself your short-term economic ally and your long-term military opponent.

It's funny to me how United Statesians still conjur McCarthy and claim to be so proudly anti-communist, while they rely on communism to produce nearly everything in their lives.
 
Maybe it's not too late to pull out of China.

I agree, but with a rising middle-class, there's too much potential business for Apple to simply cut that market out. Or, for Apple to pull out of China and attempt large-scale manufacturing of products with a similar cost/efficiency rating in other countries such as India, Malaysia, Vietnam, etc.

China is in a Catch 22 type of situation. On the one hand, the revenue earned by way of taxes both for wages and exports is quite lucrative to the government. But at the same time, China is very concerned with Apple's privacy policies enacted on the iPhone 6/+ and iOS8, and will do whatever it takes to "monitor" its citizens. Especially if it means hacking their own people's iCloud accounts.

It's a delicate balance that Apple and China must find.
 
and will do whatever it takes to "monitor" its citizens. Especially if it means hacking their own people's iCloud accounts.

It's a delicate balance that Apple and China must find.

True, but maybe someone should tell China, "hacking" and "monitoring" are not the same things.
 
And Tim has to do this instead of someone at the State Department?

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I agree, but with a rising middle-class, there's too much potential business for Apple to simply cut that market out. Or, for Apple to pull out of China and attempt large-scale manufacturing of products with a similar cost/efficiency rating in other countries such as India, Malaysia, Vietnam, etc.

China is in a Catch 22 type of situation. On the one hand, the revenue earned by way of taxes both for wages and exports is quite lucrative to the government. But at the same time, China is very concerned with Apple's privacy policies enacted on the iPhone 6/+ and iOS8, and will do whatever it takes to "monitor" its citizens. Especially if it means hacking their own people's iCloud accounts.

It's a delicate balance that Apple and China must find.

China is trying to have it both ways. That is totalitarian centralized control and a growing economy. History has shown time and time again that this strategy leads to short term gains, a hidden weakening of infrastructure and eventual society implosion with outside cultures and markets filling in the void almost instantaneously. About the only thing keeping it from being complete is a disarray if control freak bureaucrats literally killing of anyone reducing their influence. That to also goes away in a generation or so.

The bigger they are the harder they fall. The implosion of communist mainland China in the next few decades will make the fall of the Soviet Union look like a small farm failure.
 
The USA intelligence agencies harvest huge amounts of our online data from major IT companies.

The Chinese just want parity in the arms race.

Not quite true. If true, the Chinese want to track their own citizens. I wonder if the chief of their internal security will also complain that Apple should provide with a backdoor.
 
Yes, it would take a long time.

But someone earlier asked what Tim can do - and that's pretty much what Tim can do.

Tim can't do that if he wants to keep his job. Costing Apple billions in revenue would not sit well with the board or Apple's investors.
 
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