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It's not about "measuring" experience or enjoyment, it's about finding affinities across listeners. Spotify looks at your play history and builds your personalized Discover Weekly playlists using tracks from other listeners' histories that overlap your own. If I listened to songs A, G M, P, and X, and another listener had G, L, M, Q, X, and Z in their history, Spotify assumes that there's enough alignment between our track histories to drop L and Q in my Discover Weekly. No DJ can do that. They can be superior dance floor conductors, but that doesn't have much to do with music listening.

It's counterintuitive that an algorithm can curate better than a DJ, but that's been my experience. For decades, many investors assumed that index funds were no match for the street smarts of an actively managed fund, but the results of rule-based investing speak for themselves.
Measuring "affinities across listeners" is no different than Facebook's terrible approach. Advertisers love the data but only because it's more data that allows access to more targets. Users themselves receive no benefit from such data until satisfaction or dissatisfaction with content can also be measured.
 
I'll stick with Spotify. Apple has enough money.

Its not just about Apple, but also the artists. Spotify pays artists next to nothing. It is essentially legalised piracy.
At least Apple looks after the artists better.
 
I refuse to use Spotify, their logo is ridiculous, without mentioning the whole pour experience.
Apple Music is way superior all around.
 
Apple is part of the problem of "dehumanizing" music with the advent of digital music. I love the convenience of being able to pick-and-choose select songs from an artist or getting an out-of-print album, but there is certainly something loss by the lack of a physical product. iTunes LP was an interesting attempt to add a little extra to the album-buying experience, but it never seemed to gain much traction, sadly, and now Apple is retiring that.

I liked iTunes LP, but (unless I'm a moron, which is likely) you weren't able to access a lot of the content from your phone or tablet. Being locked into only accessing that content on your computer was a big issue for me, and that's why I didn't buy any. Make the content available on a mobile device and I'll press the "Buy" button weekly.
 
Humanity in music is just not a concept.

Timmy should also be careful recommending music over the objective fact that medcine works to heal and music cannot.
 
Truth be told, Spotify's algorhithmic approach works better. I used Apple music for years and barely found any new music I liked. I switched to Spotify and in the past 3 months I've found dozens of new artists I love.

Spotify's algorithms are based on what humans choose to listen to. It's still a human approach in that sense, and it works more effectively than hiring hipsters to make playlists instead.
 
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I like most of Apple Music. But a hundred superior features mean nothing if it doesn't help me discover new music. Spotify's Discover Weekly and Discover tab totally destroy Apple Music. I find new great stuff in a day with Spotify than a month with Apple Music.
Someone should explain this Dilbert that Spotify actually has human curation
(and if he doesn’t want to make money, he’d better revive the Mac line)
 
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This article and these comments have me wanting to move to Spotify.

We were with Google. Then when we were given a bunch of Echo's for Christimas, I spent a lot of time migrating our music and playlists from Google over to Amazon. Amazon has been pretty good, but now I'm curious about Spotify and if it would be worth the move. Migrating from Google to Amazon was a huge PITA. I fear migrating from Amazon to Spotify now... unless Spotify has some magically easier way to import from other services...

Also, does Spotify have a way of importing music I already own like Google/Amazon?

Edit - so it looks like Spotify won't take my music and let me listen to it the way Google and Amazon do. Oh well...
 
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...and have YOU contacted your Congresscritter to ask for the same?

Until you have, then you can't complain about someone else's (lack of) participation in Government.

Why you are assuming that I did not? I did, and you are shifting the focus from the discussion and you are just trying to excuse Apple and Crook lame behavior towards streaming music. Instead of asking me what I did, you should question Crook lame policies towards starving artists.
 
Bullhonkey.

When a computer notices that I enjoy one type of music, and infers from the behavior of other users that I will like another type of music, that isn't a loss of humanity. That's humanity enhanced. It's music democratized.

Contrast that with a D.J., interested in playing the sort of music they enjoy. Or are paid to play. Or think they should play, based on what is fashionable e.g. for sale. Far from being humane, this is the corporatization of music. It does not respect me or my tastes, but expects me to listen to what a handful of tastemakers think is interesting.

I have never liked a record because of the way the artist posts on Instagram. Spotify knows this. Apple Music doesn't.

Well nuts to that. Thank heavens for Spotify Weekly and its accurate model of my odd tastes, connecting me with surprising new music every week because of other peoples' odd tastes. This is just one of the reasons Spotify is a vastly superior product to Apple Music; others include the fact that it is much faster, the interface is much better, the sharing tools work with Android, the free tier means even my beat-ass friends can enjoy it and the family plan is quite fairly priced. It also doesn't try to advertise itself to me EVERY TIME I OPEN THE MUSIC APP TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC THAT I PAID FOR.

I gotta say this is powerful! Three months of Apple Music hasn’t impressed me or provided more or newer music related to my eclectic tastes (Jazz, Afro House, lyrically powerful Hip-Hop, R&B, Motown, Rock, etc)! They menu is horrible!!

Someone at Apple needs a drop kick, and Apple needs to better highlight and show how to use it to our advantage. Most importantly STOP screwing with the music we already have in our libraries!!
 
The thing that's so ironic is that Apple is all in on the whole subscription thing, but it was Steve Jobs who famously said that people don't want to rent music. I thought he was supposed to be some kind of tech god who was right about everything...

In all fairness, Jobs past away in 2011 and Apple Music was released in 2015.
 
Why you are assuming that I did not? I did, and you are shifting the focus from the discussion and you are just trying to excuse Apple and Crook lame behavior towards streaming music. Instead of asking me what I did, you should question Crook lame policies towards starving artists.
Prove that you DID. Then we'll talk.
 
At least theirs competition. I love having the free Spotify. Because whenever an ad comes up I just close Spotify and open it again and it’s gone. And it works perfectly with PlayStation. And if I want to choose a song directly I just find a playlist that features that song and it usually is the first one to come up so I don’t waste any skips. I love beating the system.



In an extensive profile of Spotify founder and CEO Daniel Ek, Fast Company's Robert Safian recently sat down to speak for a few minutes with Apple CEO Tim Cook at Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California.

The topic was, of course, Spotify and Apple Music, two of the major players in the streaming music market and fierce competitors. Cook said that he looks to music as inspiration and motivation, a philosophy that's shared at Apple and has guided its focus on human-based music curation.

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"Music inspires, it motivates. It's also the thing at night that helps quiet me. I think it's better than any medicine," Cook said.

While he declined to mention Spotify by name, Cook told Fast Company that Apple worries about streaming music losing the human touch, alluding to Spotify's more algorithmic approach to highlighting content.Despite launching just three years ago, Apple Music has 50 million paid subscribers and free trial members, with the company slowly catching up to Spotify. At last count, Spotify said that it had 83 million paid subscribers around the world.

Apple has always had an edge over Spotify due to its massive 1.3 billion active installed base, and the fact that it's never needed to worry about profitability like Spotify has. "We're not in it for the money," Cook told Fast Company.

Ek, too, didn't mention Apple Music by name, but he said he believes Spotify has something going for it that other companies don't: a singular focus. "Music is everything we do all day, all night, and that clarity is the difference between the average and the really, really good," he said.

Spotify's dedication to music and music alone is what Ek believes will ultimately help the company beat Apple and expand the Spotify service in the future.

Competing with Apple was always Spotify's plan, says Ek, even before Apple Music. Apple dominated digital music downloads via iTunes in 2008 when Spotify launched, with Ek aiming to replace the iPod with on-demand music.

Competition with Apple and working within tight margins, Ek says, has driven Spotify to be more disciplined.

Despite industry complaints and criticism from Apple, Spotify has continued to focus on free music, which is how Spotify draws in new paying subscribers. After going public earlier this year, Spotify overhauled its free listening tier, offering new features that include on-demand playlists and a data saving mode, which were previously limited to paying subscribers.

Ek believes that there's money to be made with Spotify's free tier, with radiolike advertising options. "Billions of people listen to radio, and most of that today isn't monetized very efficiently," Ek said.

Going forward, in addition to working to expand revenue via its free tier, Spotify plans to focus on artists. Ek eventually wants to get 1 million artists to make a living off of Spotify, ultimately imagining something akin to YouTube where artists and listeners can interact.

For anyone interested in the inner workings of Spotify or how Ek operates, Fast Company's full profile of the founder is well worth checking out.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook on Apple Music: 'We Worry About the Humanity Being Drained Out of Music'
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Ever since music hit the internet, it began losing its "humanity". That was over the moment we stopped buying, owning and collecting physical albums.
 
I never claimed otherwise. I'm saying discovery on Spotify is vastly superior to Apple Music.
I wasn’t referring to you but to Mr. Cook
Sorry for the confusion
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I gotta say this is powerful! Three months of Apple Music hasn’t impressed me or provided more or newer music related to my eclectic tastes (Jazz, Afro House, lyrically powerful Hip-Hop, R&B, Motown, Rock, etc)! They menu is horrible!!

Someone at Apple needs a drop kick, and Apple needs to better highlight and show how to use it to our advantage. Most importantly STOP screwing with the music we already have in our libraries!!
Leave that to Mr. Cue...
 
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Sorry but Tim's argument is utter garbage, and clearly out of touch. I have discovered more music through Spotify than I ever have with Apple Music. Apples "Curated" playlists might get updated once or twice a year. So much for the "human soul". Not only is Spotify algorithm legendarily good at finding new music for me every week, but there are more custom playlists which are operated by fans, not employees. It is Apple music that is soulless. Apple killed it by acquiring beats, thinking radio is still a thing, not caring about their UI in nearly a decade, and that urban commercial pop music is the ONLY genre on the planet acquiring attention.

"We're not in it for the money..." - 99 cents three-month trial
 
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"Human curation" also has significant problems because the humans who curate live in a cubicle, and exist in a bureaucratic environment. Bureaucratic environments de-humanize people. So the curation process relies on artists gaining an "advocate" amongst cube-ville dwellers. Human curators will always place their own best interest first while doing their curation job. This results in advocating "safe" material for curation over potentially new innovations.

The same failed curation activities have killed innovation in the App store. This is why games like "Crossy-road" are elevated - they're just a "safe" knock off of a tried and tested concept such as "Frogger".

"Play it safe, collect a paycheck" is the new Apple.... RIP innovation.
[doublepost=1533762151][/doublepost]... and, the absolutely BEST part about this is every bright "Shining happy face" Tim sees when he looks out over his minions is just feeding him the BS he wants to hear. People today are just bots. Cook is too stupid to know this.
 
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