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Apple CEO Tim Cook on Hate Speech: 'You Have No Place on Our Platform'
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1) He doesn't have to go to a gun show. He can go to Chucky Cheese and do the same thing. He can do it on his front lawn. A gun show isn't part of the equation. For it to be a "gun show loophole" you have to show that the gun show is the differentiating factor that allows said loophole to exist. It clearly doesn't when you can do the same exact thing, anywhere else. The fact that you might choose to do a legal private sale at a gun show parking lot, does not in any way make it a gun show loophole. I don't understand why you don't get this and are determined to repeat a lie.
2) You have a problem with private sales, not gun shows. So argue your point on THAT, if you want...
3) Do you want background checks and paperwork, ID's, etc for other Constitutional Rights? How about voting?
Absolutely. Voting should require a valid ID and proof of citizenship. If convicts are not allowed to vote, then there should be an ID that proves both citezenship and the right to vote.
I do have a problem with gun shows. I live in GA, and GA doesn’t regulate gun shows and treats them like private gun sales.
I’m sure other southern states do the same. So, in this case, the gun show is a big problem because that’s exactly where legally purchased guns transfer to the black market in completely legal transactions. One would wonder why even conduct background checks at licensed gun dealers, whereas one can get a gun at a gun show without a license or background check.
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Ok, I can at least respect you being consistent on that. Most aren't. LOL
[doublepost=1544473709][/doublepost]Just pulled up iTunes, and N.W.A.'s Greatest Hits, including F*CK the Police is still there available for purchase...
If they want hate speech and stuff that depicts violence, etc...gone... How are Apple going to reconcile pulling 50% of the rap songs off of the platform, without fear of being called racist?
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I am also in GA. LOL
Gun shows themselves are not regulated, but most of the people AT gun shows are FFL holders and being at a gun show doesn't exempt them from having to do all the same paperwork and NICS checks... I know, been there, done it many times...
But just because the show is not regulated in that it doesn't require an FFL to participate, it doesn't change the fact that you can legally buy or sell a gun privately, anywhere in the state, and in most states. A gun show is simply one of a literal million places this can happen.
Your claim that this is where illegal guns make their way back to the black market is not supported by any source that I have seen. Where are you getting that from?
[doublepost=1544473903][/doublepost]Meaning, guns shows tend to be traveling dealers and they gotta follow all the rules. Now, you could purchase a table as a show as a private citizen and sell some guns. Of course, there are still laws around it, and if you do it regularly you are in danger of being a felon as an unlicensed dealer...
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You need a source? You can’t independently derive it from the fact that a person who sells a gun at a gun show can sell it to someone who will resell it at the black market with no check required?
The reason why gun shows are a problem is because one has a much wider choice at a gun show than trying to locate a private seller outside of a gun show with the exact gun that one wants.
Private sales are no less problematic besides the fact that there’s not as much choice.
The black market will never cease as long as guns can be purchased legally without a background check. Even if by magic, all the black-market firearms are confiscated tomorrow, by the end of the week the black market will thrive again because of the leakage of gray-market guns into the black market.
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Hate speech is protected in the USA
Until someone breaks a law by taking action on speech it is perfectly legal to say anything you wish about another person ect.
Sorry but unless you are offended every day by what others say you are not free.
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Go to down town Baltimore - you can go to areas of the city where you can purchase any type of fire arm you would like.
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Private groups can set membership how ever they want but when you open your group up to the general public it is more difficult to ban people for any reason.
No, thanks. I will not go to downtown Baltimore. If I wanted to visit a war zone, I would go to Baghdad, where I can at least rely on police to attempt to protect me.
Today's news:
The deaths in the US from guns are at the highest level in 40 years at about 40,000 deaths in 2017.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/health/gun-deaths-highest-40-years-cdc/index.html
Forty thousand deaths in one year from guns is more than in any war that the US conducted since WWII. We have a raging war in our country, and the Second Amendment is what's been waging the war on US Citizens.
In 2016, in Canada there were 130 gun homicides, whereas in the US in 2016, there were 7,105 homicides. Canadian population is about 1/10 of the US population. Therefore, the Canadian 130 gun homicides would translate to about 1300 homicides in the US. Yet, we had 7,105, which means that 5.5 times as many homicides occurred in the US per 100,000 people as the number of homicides in Canada. This means you have a 5.5 times higher chance to be murdered by a gun in the US than you do in Canada. There is not much difference between the US and Canada (based on income levels, educational levels, culture, etc.) other than Canada has no Second Amendment. Hence, gun ownership is governed in Canada by sensible gun laws rather than by the inalienable right to own unlimited number of guns and unlimited amounts of ammo. All the guns are registered and tracked by the federal government in Canada. All the guns in possession of the populace were required to be registered by 2003.
The police made about 14,000 checks against the Canada gun registry per year during routine traffic stops, and police officers claim that such checks are extremely beneficial, as they know if the person whom they are about to confront may be armed. This, obviously, means that the black market of guns in Canada is very small, so most guns owned by Canadians are legally purchased and registered.
There's also a requirement in Canada to have a gun permit in order to purchase a firearm, and such permit is issued only after the recipient takes a gun handling course and passes the test.
This is, pretty much, exactly what I'm proposing for the US. It's not difficult to arrive at these laws, as they are simply common sense.
The deaths in the US from guns are at the highest level in 40 years at about 40,000 deaths in 2017.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/health/gun-deaths-highest-40-years-cdc/index.html
Forty thousand deaths in one year from guns is more than in any war that the US conducted since WWII. We have a raging war in our country, and the Second Amendment is what's been waging the war on US Citizens.
In 2016, in Canada there were 130 gun homicides, whereas in the US in 2016, there were 7,105 homicides. Canadian population is about 1/10 of the US population. Therefore, the Canadian 130 gun homicides would translate to about 1300 homicides in the US. Yet, we had 7,105, which means that 5.5 times as many homicides occurred in the US per 100,000 people as the number of homicides in Canada. This means you have a 5.5 times higher chance to be murdered by a gun in the US than you do in Canada. There is not much difference between the US and Canada (based on income levels, educational levels, culture, etc.) other than Canada has no Second Amendment. Hence, gun ownership is governed in Canada by sensible gun laws rather than by the inalienable right to own unlimited number of guns and unlimited amounts of ammo. All the guns are registered and tracked by the federal government in Canada. All the guns in possession of the populace were required to be registered by 2003.
The police made about 14,000 checks against the Canada gun registry per year during routine traffic stops, and police officers claim that such checks are extremely beneficial, as they know if the person whom they are about to confront may be armed. This, obviously, means that the black market of guns in Canada is very small, so most guns owned by Canadians are legally purchased and registered.
There's also a requirement in Canada to have a gun permit in order to purchase a firearm, and such permit is issued only after the recipient takes a gun handling course and passes the test.
This is, pretty much, exactly what I'm proposing for the US. It's not difficult to arrive at these laws, as they are simply common sense.
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You own your phone, but you don't own Apple's online services. Again, it's hilarious to me that what I'm consistently seeing is that the majority of pro-hate speech conservatives here apparently can't be bothered to understand the basics of how a smartphone works, and what the internet is.
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"Political correctness" is a buzzword used by the radical right to label essentially anything they disagree with. Conservatives can't win with facts so whenever they get logically dismantled they shout political correctness to destroy the messenger. Furthermore, the definition of hate speech has nothing to do with politics and is not up for debate. Hate speech is very plainly defined as "speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, national origin, sex, disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity."
The reason right-wingers believe that opposition to hate speech is somehow political is because the right happens to be full of a lot of hateful and terrible people. And suggesting that Tim Cook should be forced to support hate speech on his private platform, in violation of his rights, is nothing but censorship to further the right-wing political position. A position that is not supported by facts and/or at least ~60% of the US population.
Except for being the #1 contributers to domestic terror by far. Also, your anecdote is false. Statistically the overwhelmingly majority of people in the midwest lock their doors at night, and it has been that way since forever.
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Hate speech isn't diverse. Anyone is capable of it. It's not allowed in a lot of places for the same reason death threats are not allowed. Because we live in a civilized society and have rules on conduct.
Suggesting that Tim Cook should be forced to support hate speech on his private platform, in violation of his rights, is nothing but censorship to further the radical-right political position.
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Like pornography, the concept of hate speech is different for every individual. If we included everyone’s opinion and wrapped it up with some brutally intolerant form of justice, then few would speak. Many would fight.
I thought that when buying apple devices, you also get apple’s free software and services, or something along those lines.
No, what's hilarious is people like you who don't understand that the phone I paid for should do whatever I say, and that I should be able to create, access, or install any software or service I choose. Where is my non-Apple controlled app store if Apple wants to "currate" their store? No? It doesn't exist because Tim & Co. don't see the value in freedom.
Maybe you can make a real argument as to why I can't, no shouldn't, be able to install whatever software I want?
Ah never mind. If you believe this then there's no point in conversing with you.
Nobody said you couldn't. That's a strawman argument. That said, you own your phone, but you don't own Apple's online services. The authoritarian pro-hate speech conservatives out there should not be able to force Apple to violate their constitutional rights and should not be able to force them to support hate speech on their private platform, in the same way a religious baker should not be forced to bake a cake depicting the marriage of two men for a gay couple.
Weather Tim address this or not, it doesn't mater.. Just making it aware to the public doesn't stop anything,, it only gives you a foothold, and assert yourself of 'doing the right thing is better'
Tim can say all he likes, but at the end of the day, the trend will continue.... No one can prevent these people from buying Macs, using Apple services. Although he does look good making a stand.
Although they control the services, the oy control Apple has is their own retail stores... They have no control over who sells to whom at third party retailers.
True, they can, it's their service, but free speech is still free speech... To assert yourself on stage and claiming Tim's important because he made a valid point, does nothing to the rest at large..
If people wanna buy Mac's, use their services, and continue to hate Apple, they will... Even though it can be a rough ride. Apple knows themselves they cannot stop it.. They can only exercise their right. by vocally bringing it into the open, in talks on stage, in the hope it will stop..
There is a big difference.
Tim can say all he likes, but at the end of the day, the trend will continue.... No one can prevent these people from buying Macs, using Apple services. Although he does look good making a stand.
Although they control the services, the oy control Apple has is their own retail stores... They have no control over who sells to whom at third party retailers.
True, they can, it's their service, but free speech is still free speech... To assert yourself on stage and claiming Tim's important because he made a valid point, does nothing to the rest at large..
If people wanna buy Mac's, use their services, and continue to hate Apple, they will... Even though it can be a rough ride. Apple knows themselves they cannot stop it.. They can only exercise their right. by vocally bringing it into the open, in talks on stage, in the hope it will stop..
There is a big difference.
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