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I didn’t say more guns caused less crime. But what you can say, is that more guns didn’t lead to more crime, as many predicted.
Difference.
[doublepost=1544399316][/doublepost]You inferred the causation. I simply refuted the notion that more guns means more crime. Clearly that isn’t true when you can add 50 million guns and see crime drop 30%...
So if the macrumors forum becomes 20% anti-Semitic and racist memes, the moderators shouldn’t step in? What if a user is harassing others by posting a picture of a monkey in reply to every message by people of a certain race, or an antisemitic meme every time a Jewish person posts?
What if I start a local meeting around a hobby of mine, and someone is saying that black people should be banned. Can I not kick that person out of the group?
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I will concede that some things are clearly racist and as a privately owned forum can easily justify moderation... and like all ideas that sound good in paper, the reality will be mods taking it upon themselves to go well beyond those racists things we all agree should be deleted, and it will include tho he based on their own personal preferences, others will have little power trips, etc... seen it a million times over 30 years of being online.
It is what it is, I can’t change it. But let’s not pretend that it doesn’t go that way...
If you think the problem is just a few crazies that kill people for no reason and you ignore the real issue that is the gang killings and especially black on black killings, then I’m sorry but you are totally delusional and biased.
Let’s get rid of the gangs first and the crime killings and then let’s worry about the few crazies. Yeah what a smart idea. Let’s take all the guns from the unprotected citizens and let the gangs do all the killings they want to do.
Do you have any idea how many Semitcs are racist towards whites and black people especially? Do you know that Israel has a closed border policy and is anti multiculturalism? You people have no idea how the world operates and you think with stereotypes.
Stereotype is based on things like skin color or a trait that makes you a member is some demographic.
When he said it, it was based on your own words. He means people like you, that think what you do...
Context, it’s whats for dinner.
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Yeah, “you liberal people”. I’m referring to the liberal SJW ideology that is totally disconnected from the real world and is based purely on emotion.
[doublepost=1544409413][/doublepost]The point from all this discussion in a nutshell is that according to all the mega corporation platforms it is OK being a proud African, Jew, Latino or Asian and spewing racist comments against white people.
They will only take you out of their platform if you are openly proud for being white and want to preserve your European culture and ethnic homogenity.
These people are truly sick on the spirit and mind.
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Remember, it’s not hate and racism if a leftist does it.
I’ve said almost nothing about my views. I’ve asked a couple of questions and summarized the primary positions in the gun control debate.
I used antisemitism in an example because that’s what I saw a lot of when I visited the Gab site, which is a social network with minimal moderation.
Alex stereotyped me based on almost nothing. Yes, you can stereotype someone based on their views on one particular topic.
Stereotyping in and of itself, isn't wrong though. If you lay out your argument in a debate and he says "people like you", it is pretty clear that he means people with your argument, or those that believe as you do...
I don't see anything wrong with that usage.
I don't see anything wrong with that usage.
Israel has no closed border policy for Americans, Canadians, Europeans, Australians, or Russians. You don’t even need a visa to travel to Israel if you carry one of those passports. For others, Israel welcomes tourists from all over the world with valid visas.
No one stops black people at the border; claiming that blacks are persecuted is complete rubbish. In fact, Israel is the only nation in the history of the world that went to Africa to save blacks and bring them to their country as refugees. All other nations went to Africa to enslave black Africans.
Israel welcomes Christians from all over the world. You can see Christians of all colors coming to Israel, including from Southeast Asia, who are all dark skinned.
Israel closes the border only for those who come to murder Israelis. Palestinians happen to be the ones who murdered most Jews since WWII. However, israel has close to 2 million Arab citizens (most of whom are Muslim) who are full-fledged Israeli citizens with full rights. They study in the same universities and go to the same medical facilities as Jews do. They get jobs alongside Jews. They have the same medical care, the same social protection, etc., as Jews. They don’t have all the responsibilities of Jewish Israelis, though, as they are not required to serve in the army or perform civil service. So, in fact, Arab Israelis have a more privileged citizenship status than Jews do in Israel. Every Jewish male must serve 3 years in the army before going to college. Every Jewish female must serve 2 years. Israeli Arabs don’t have to serve, so they get a 2-3 year headstart in life just because they are Arabs.
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As for guns in the US, I’m more worried about crazy people on my tail in traffic who behave aggressively and completely off their rockers. I know full well that most of them are armed and are ready to pull the trigger, as they can’t control their anger. Most of them are not criminals. They are regular Americans who have been so stressed at work that they have lost their marbles. If it were illegal to carry handguns on their person or in the vehicle, 99.9% of them wouldn’t be armed. Hence, most shootings that result from road rage would be eliminated. Additionally, perhaps if they knew they had no firearm on them, they would be able to control themselves better, as a physical confrontation on the road might not go their way if they had to fight it out physically instead of pulling a gun and shooting someone.
As for the gang violence, the only one that would concern me is home invasions. I am absolutely in favor of owning guns to protect my family, and I think that all responsible adults should strive to learn how to handle firearms and protect themselves at homes, as it’s obvious that a policeman can’t be posted next to every house.
Gang problem needs to be solved in the US, but the question is, How? You know what allows the existence of gangs in the US? The Constitution. The freedom of assembly. Like I said, the Constitution is what’s killing this country. In places like Russia or China, the government can ban gangs and ban an assembly of more than three people. They can also ban guns, which makes it much harder for gangs to form. In the US, the Constitution is favorable to the formation of gangs.
The real way to solve the gang problem is for the government to form programs for kids to keep them interested in science, technology, sports, music, etc. and keep them off the streets. It’s a role of the government to do this, as the parents are obviously not capable of doing so for various reasons. We also need to show to the young people that there’s a way for them to grow up and be able to provide for themselves and their family without being in gangs. Manufacturing jobs is a huge part of this equation. If we can train teenagers from dysfunctional families in coding and robotics in afterschool programs paid for by the government and provide them with high-tech jobs in robotic manufacturing when they grow up (programming robots at high-tech robotic factories), we will both solve the crime problem in the US and be able to manufacture products domestically instead of outsourcing production to our enemies like China.
The reduction of gang violence cannot be achieved without taking guns off the streets. Pay $1,000 per gun, and the very gang members now dealing in illegal guns will be lining up at police stations to turn guns in to police in large volumes. They would be able to make literally a small fortune by getting guns off the streets.
We must plug the hole first, though, by instituting a very strict gun sales policies and by banning gun shows. Private gun owners should only be allowed to sell guns to licensesd gun dealers. No private transfer or sales of guns should be allowed, and such transfers or sales should be punishable by lengthy prison terms.
Every gun sale in the US must be preceded by a vigorous background and mental heath check. A gun license must be required for purchasing every gun, and such a license should only be issued after a rigorous course (at least 50 hours) in gun handling, target shooting, and learning about gun laws. All of this can be done within 5 years, and in 5 years we can have a completely different situation with guns and gangs, whereby the gun black and grey markets can be all by eliminated.
The gang problem cannnot be solved via the penitentiary system. We would have to imprison millions of teens from dysfunctional (mostly minority) families and keep them in prisons for their entire lives. It’s a much better solution for the government to make them into productive members of the society than paying for their incarceration their entire lives, as releasing them from prison would mean inundating our streets with even more hardened criminals. Therefore, the incarceration of gang members doesn’t solve any problem in the long run.
We need to pull our heads out of our rear ends and start cleaning up the mess we created in this country. We have let the corporations destroy the fabric of our society in the process of chasing corporate profits and paying insane compensation packages to their executives. Those are the very people who wreaked this havoc upon our country by outsourcing decent manufacturing jobs to China and making the lives of the US lower middle class completely hopeless.
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1) So, for the people legally carrying their legal guns in their cars that you are so worried about... do you have any sources or verified stats on how many Concealed Carry permit holders are committing homicides each year, as you describe? Let's see the numbers, please.
2) There is no gun show loophole. There never was. It's something that anti-gun people repeat ad nauseum, that doesn't exist. How many gun shows have you attended? How many guns have you purchased at gun shows? I have been to at least 40 and bought a dozen or so guns. Every single one required a 4473 form, NICS check and showing of my carry permit. Stop repeating a myth that doesn't exist. If you are a dealer at a gun show, you have to follow all the same rules as you would in a brick and mortar shop. That's been the law for decades.
3) You say "The Constitution is what's killing this country", referring both the First and Second Amendment. Are we supposed to take anything that you say seriously, after that remark? You then quote Russia and China as examples of who is doing it better with regards to controlling the "Right to assemble" and gangs. So then why don't you just move to China or Russia? Why continue to live in a country that doesn't offer what you want? BTW, claiming that the Right to Assemble is what causes gangs, is idiotic. Just stop.
You don’t have to have a conceal carry permit to have a gun in you car. In fact, you don’t need any permit whatsoever to purchase a handgun and store it in your car.
There is a gun show loophole. You can buy a gun at a gun show, and then sell the gun to ANYONE at the parking lot of the building where the gun show is held. Any criminal can buy a gun like this, as you are not required to conduct any background check to sell a gun. Therefore, if I’m a criminal and need a gun, I can stop you on the street, hand you money, and ask you to buy me a gun at the gun show across the street and keep the change. As long as you don’t know that I’m a criminal, it’s legal for you to sell me that gun. This is the grey market sale that takes the gun sold legally and transfers the gun to a criminal in a completely legal sale.
I’ve bought guns on parking lots. I know how this is done. All you need is a bill of sale written on a napkin. Period. The seller is completely protected.
Your third argument is childish. “Why don’t you move the hell out” is what people say when they run out of arguments. I think it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that China doesn’t have gang problems like we do in the US, and anyone who can reason knows why. When you have a freedom of assembly and inalienable rights to buy guns without any background checks, you have a perfect environment for gangs to form, especially, when the lower-class minorities have been left without any prospects for the future, as all manufacturing jobs have been outsourced.
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The point is that Israel like Japan also and other countries, may not have a closed border for Europeans, Americans and Canadians but they surely don’t welcome immigrants to live and work compared to Europe, USA and Canada.
And they are very proud people for their respective heritage and they are celebrated by everyone whenever they show this pride but when a white man does it he gets labeled a “Nazi” and “Racist”.
You are very right to say that we need to educate and train young children to keep them off streets, but you put too much faith in government. What is more crucial here is good and ethical parenting. That’s where it all starts. But when parents want to look cool and progressives and teach materialism to their kids and zero spiritual values that’s when things go wrong.
Or worse, when are broken homes or policies of welfare that raise generations of white but mostly blacks people to have babies out of wedlock so they can receive benefits ets.
It is a very complex issue but at the heart of it is a parenting and teaching good values.
What arguments have I laid out?
How about asking me about my views instead of telling me what they are? (That question is to Alex more than to you)
Israel is the only country where Jews are not persecuted. After the Holocaust, Jews have a right to have a state of their own, where the Jewish army protects the Jewish civilians. Jews tried to entrust their fates in to the hands of non-Jews for two thousand years, and there has not been a single country that hasn’t murdered or expelled Jews in the history of humankind. Only in Israel can Jews be safe.
Anyone Jewish can move to Israel regardless of color. You can convert to Judaism, including converting according to the Reform Judaism, which is basically automatic, and you will be able to move to Israel. Judaism is a religion, not a race. If Israel allowed non-Jews to immigrate to Israel, it would cease to exist as a Jewish State, and Jews would be persecuted once again, except this time on their own land. Incidentally, there are some first-world counties that don’t allow any immigration, such as Monaco, Luxembourg, Andorra, etc. or only multimillionaires and billionaires are given immigrant visas. Israel is a tiny piece of land only 9 miles across in its midsection, and it’s the land for Jews to feel safe.
The problem with gangs in the US is that the gang members are mostly from dysfunctional families. If parents could take care of their kids or cared to, their kids wouldn’t be in gangs. In cases like this, it’s the role of the government to effect a change. These problems are not unique to the US. France has the same gang problems in minority neighborhoods, where people have no hope for the future.
1) It depends on the state. Try carrying a legal gun in your car in NJ and get pulled over, and when you get out prison, tell me how legal it was.
2) There is no gun show loophole. What you are describing is an illegal purchase that doesn't need a gun show to take place. 1/3 of my gun collection is from private sales that didn't involve a gun show. Not to mention, several credible studies have come out saying that private sales like you describe, have a low impact on crime because it's not all that common. I know the laws, having purchased and sold around 300 guns over the years. I have gotten concealed carry permit in a couple states and am currently licensed to carry in 34 of them.
3) What you are describing when you say "stop me on the street and give me money to go to a gun show and buy you one" is illegal in all 50 states. It's called a "straw man purchase", and it is a felony and when you go and kill someone with that gun, I will be brought up on charges.
4) You clearly don't know what gun shows are, the laws around them, how being an FFL follows you legally whether you are at a show or your store front. You are reading anti-gun propaganda without any actual knowledge of the topic. Based on how absolutely wrong you are so far, you are not qualified to even be in this discussion.
5) Private gun sales are legal, within the state of residence of both parties, so long as you have no reason to suspect that the buyer or seller is a criminal. That's the law. I myself do it all the time. I also require that the seller or buyer has a current carry permit, so that I can verify that they have been run through the system. Hell, several private guns sales I have done, were to or from cops and sheriff's deputies...
6) When you say things like, "The Constitution is ruining America", you are in essence saying that you don't like America. The Constitution is what makes America, America. It's the foundation of what we are as a nation, and so if you think that's a bad thing, then go somewhere that has what you want. Life is too short to live somewhere that makes you miserable. That's just common sense.
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Dude, the government and the welfare state, is one of the primary reasons why the problem exists to begin with.
Government is largely the cause here, not the solution.
When we replaced the black family unit, by making the father disposable... and see now what is it... 8 out of 10 black kids born out of wedlock or without a father figure? And when we see the gang thug lifestyle gloried and promoted, and then are surprised when so many of the kids take it up and live it and die as a result, we are surprised?
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The sale I described is NOT an illegal sale. It’s 100% legal to buy a gun without a permit or a background check on a parking lot from a complete stranger. By doing so on the parking lot of a gun show, a criminal can get a gun completely under a radar, while the seller carries out a 100% legal gun deal. It is exactly what the word “loophole” means.
The problem with black fatherless families has nothing to do with the government policies. Rather, it is the legacy of slavary and complete disintegration of family in the black community. However, the gang problem is as serious in the Latino communities. The gang problem is very complicated, and only the government can solve it.
NJ is hardly an example here. Why didn’t you mention NYC? The truth is in the states with a strong gun culture, one can buy a gun without a license from any store and carry it in a car without any license.
The sale I described is NOT an illegal sale. It’s 100% legal to buy a gun without a permit or a background check on a parking lot from a complete stranger. By doing so on the parking lot of a gun show, a criminal can get a gun completely under a radar, while the seller carries out a 100% legal gun deal. It is exactly what the word “loophole” means.
The problem with black fatherless families has nothing to do with the government policies. Rather, it is the legacy of slavary and complete disintegration of family in the black community. However, the gang problem is as serious in the Latino communities. The gang problem is very complicated, and only the government can solve it.
Same applies to NYC as it does in NJ and elsewhere.
I don't think that the majority of states let you drive around with a loaded gun in the car, with you, without a permit. Some states like GA and FL do, but I will look that one up. Aside from that, were you able to locate the number of Legal gun owners, especially concealed carry holders, who are involved in homicides(not self defense) each year? Still waiting for that, thanks.
Where you are dishonest in the parking lot scenario is that it has nothing to do with a gun show. It's not a "gun show loophole" if you can do it at Chucky Cheese. It's not a loophole, it is called a "private sale" and you can do it ANYWHERE in your state of residence, so long as you follow the applicable laws. Gun shows have nothing to do with it. Stop.
If the government was good at solving things... Poverty? Over 8 TRILLION dollars in the war on poverty, and it's worse than when it started.
War on drugs, how is that going? No more drug and gang issues, right? Government fixed that too, right?
Has nothing to do with government policies? Really? When the government perpetuates the “You are a slave” mentality by offering “free stuff” to black people so they can secure votes for generations but with the condition to take the father out of the home and black people gladly accept it.
So when will the legacy of slavery gonna end at a point? Are we gonna claim forever “slavery victimhood” as an excuse?
From what I know, slavery ended long time ago and blacks and other minorities have had, the same opportunities as whites.
And straight from the mouth of lots of blacks, they were actually doing better before the “civil rights movement” under the segregation. There were no gang violence, no drugs, blacks owned property, business they believed in Christian principles and even though the segregation which by the way was imposed by the government, not Buy white people on a whole, they were still trying to make the best out of life.
Lastly, slavery was not exclusive to blacks only. St that time of history slavery was a normality around the world and besides blacks there were also a lot of European slaves in the US.
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THe slave trade still exists today in Africa and other places...
Obviously it applies to NYC, where it’s almost impossible to own guns. I guess, I need to say “sarcasm” for you to get it.
LOL, fair enough... I said NJ because I grew up there and know how strict they are...
Let’s make it really easy.
Person A owns a gun. He wants to sell it. He goes to a gun show to sell it. Person B shows up at a gun show and buys the gun. The checks that person A is required to run are not nearly as vigorous as a licensed gun is. There is no wait time either. The sale is immediate.
Person B can either use this gun to commit a crime (murder his wife, or shoot up a public place) or Person B can sell this gun outside of a gun show to Person C.
Person C can be a criminal, and as long as Person B claims that he has no idea whether or not Person C is a criminal, this deal is completely legal for person B. It’s imoossible to prove that this was a “straw-man purchase”. The agreement may have been made between person B and person C elsewhere. Moreover, Person B doesn’t even have to know Person C. If Person B Pays $500 for a gunat a gun show and is offered $1,000 right outside the gun show for the same gun, it is 100% legal for person B to sell a gun to person C WITHOUT any background check.
This is a problem of both private sales and gun shows.