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Apple CEO Tim Cook on iOS 13's Sign In with Apple: 'We're Not Really Taking a Shot at Anybody'

Khedron said:
Apple's entire strategy is based on closing off its customers inside its prison/"walled garden" and only allowing contact with the external world on their terms

They developed a mobile OS that doesn't allow any code to run if not authorised by Apple, and now even call this a "computer replacement"

They include NFC chips in phones but only for using Apple Pay, no other services allowed

They include bluetooth chips in HomePods but only to connect to an Apple device to set up, no use for streaming audio from non-Apple devices allowed

Now they're targeting the internet itself with Safari and now apps putting an extra layer between the user and 3rd parties. It's true this means 3rd parties can't collect data as easily, but Apple reserves the right to collect data themselves and use their unique position to sell advertising products to 3rd parties
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Khedron, Khedron, settle down. There is a simple solution for this conflict and it’s a win win. For those incarcerated in the walled garden, you could recommend an economical mobile device that runs an alternative os-Android comes to mind (among many). Then the newly freed Apple inmates would no doubt rush to embrace that ecosystem and it’s low cost point and freedom from restraints (mercenary or idealistic). And you of course could revel in the acclamation of each and every one of them.
 
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abhibeckert said:
Do you have any evidence at all that this is the case?


I run code on my iOS devices without being authorised by Apple. Sure, if I want to deploy a binary without sharing the source code I have to get approval. But that's mostly a quick check to make sure I'm not shipping malware.


There is an NFC API for pretty much arbitrary NFC use that has been in place since iOS 11.

There was a delay of about 9 months between the initial hardware and releasing a public API, but honestly for those months there weren't that many users with the hardware anyway. They might not even have been shipping to all countries by that point.

As a developer I like their slow roll out strategy for drivers and new hardware. Several months of "in the wold" deployment gives them a chance to find and fix any serious bugs before locking down a public API that shouldn't ever be changed.


HomePods use AirPlay. There are literally hundreds of third party devices that also support AirPlay - including any Android phone by simply installing an app.

AirPlay is better than Bluetooth. Why would anybody use bluetooth if they can use AirPlay?


What? No, that isn't what Apple is doing at all. You need to go back and read up on it again. Feel free to ask if anything doesn't make sense.
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This guy knows what’s up.

I honestly don’t see the issue. Apple is fighting for THEIR users privacy.

Privacy, Smooth and Fluid usage, ease of use with their eco system. The things that everyone wants.

Brilliant.
 
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KidAKidB said:
To lock people more deeply into Apple so that it's more difficult to leave.
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Apple iOS system is no harder to leave and migrate than any other system. You can export all your stuff, head over to a kiosk by the market and pick up an unlocked device for cheap and enter your email and (at least most) your apps (maybe in a slightly different UI) and you’re good to go on your way. You are not locked into anything. Nice try though.
 
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Appleman3546 said:
As a developer, I don’t like this new rule that I “have” to use Apple’s solution with other third party login option of my choice. I guess I should just only have my app available on other competing app stores...oh, wait. There isn’t one.
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Make one for Android then
 
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Abazigal said:
I have no intention of leaving the Apple ecosystem. This is precisely why I embraced the Apple ecosystem in its entirety, so that Apple can help me fight the battles that no other company would.
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Plenty of companies are fighting privacy battles. Just now even tinder is fighting to keep its data out of the Russian government's hands. Apple just hands over data whenever requested.

According to your bio you're in Singapore. FYI here's Apple's website for the data they hand over there: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/sg.html
 
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kanki1985 said:
Funny that I log into apple with my gmail ID..
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If I'm actually logging in to Apple with my Gmail, I would get a 2 factor notification on my phone to enable the the login. I never get a 2 factor notification when logging in to my Apple device using my Gmail address.
 
Khedron said:
Plenty of companies are fighting privacy battles. Just now even tinder is fighting to keep its data out of the Russian government's hands. Apple just hands over data whenever requested.

According to your bio you're in Singapore. FYI here's Apple's website for the data they hand over there: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/sg.html
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Apple transparency report is great.
Does google have one too?
 
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Khedron said:
Plenty of companies are fighting privacy battles. Just now even tinder is fighting to keep its data out of the Russian government's hands. Apple just hands over data whenever requested.
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what kind of data is tinder trying to keep away from the Russian? Link?
 
Appleman3546 said:
As a developer, I don’t like this new rule that I “have” to use Apple’s solution with other third party login option of my choice. I guess I should just only have my app available on other competing app stores...oh, wait. There isn’t one.
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It's literally what, 10 lines of code? If you as a developer only give me Facebook and Google login options, your app is uninstalled before I even use it.
 
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az431 said:
I read your post several times to see if you could find even a glimmer of a connection between Apple sign in and the fee that developers pay to sell apps through the App Store.

Came up empty.
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The connection is that there might be less free apps because app developers won’t be able to monetize that google data with the sign on (if that’s even possible, and I wouldn’t doubt that it is).

If there’s less free apps, there will be more paid apps, and Apple gets the 30% cut. So... Apple is for privacy, and one possible consequence of that Apple sign on is that it may be encouraging more paid apps.

Just a theory though :D
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Khedron said:
https://transparencyreport.google.com/?hl=en
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TLDR: “privacy? Wahahahahahahahahahahahah! Oh you’re funny you Google product of ours”
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Kabeyun said:
This is absolutely fantastic. Full stop. Doubling down on the Walled Garden. I might even buy meself a $1000 monitor stand.
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Best stand money can buy! I don’t see ANYONE knocking it off and selling it for $60!

:D
 
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KidAKidB said:
To lock people more deeply into Apple so that it's more difficult to leave.
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This doesn’t make it any more difficult to leave or lock you into anything.

(But of course you know all this - just trolling.)

It’s just an easy sign up flow for services where you don’t need to give your social profile to the service and/or tell Facebook/Google that you just signed up for Uber.

If you sign in with Apple to Service X, you can still log in from any non-Apple device you might have now or in the future.

Your e-mail (real or proxied) and name will be given to the service.

What exactly is difficult to understand about this?
 
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Appleman3546 said:
As a developer, I don’t like this new rule that I “have” to use Apple’s solution with other third party login option of my choice. I guess I should just only have my app available on other competing app stores...oh, wait. There isn’t one.
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You are free to leave or play by rules and enjoy all fruits = $$$ that comes from the ecosystem.
 
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Cybbe said:
I'm fairly agnostic with regards to using Facebook, Google or Apple for logins. What I would like to know though is how this would work on other platforms. I use many apps/services on other devices, including non-Apple devices. If this is another walled garden which you cannot easily take with you elsewhere it will be a hard no for me.
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Then just keep giving up your privacy and let Google know every private detail of your and your family’s lives
 
Khedron said:
Apple's entire strategy is based on closing off its customers inside its prison/"walled garden" and only allowing contact with the external world on their terms

They developed a mobile OS that doesn't allow any code to run if not authorised by Apple, and now even call this a "computer replacement"

They include NFC chips in phones but only for using Apple Pay, no other services allowed

They include bluetooth chips in HomePods but only to connect to an Apple device to set up, no use for streaming audio from non-Apple devices allowed

Now they're targeting the internet itself with Safari and now apps putting an extra layer between the user and 3rd parties. It's true this means 3rd parties can't collect data as easily, but Apple reserves the right to collect data themselves and use their unique position to sell advertising products to 3rd parties
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Exactly. This is why Apple is so popular and loved by so many. Those who want an open system with less restrictions have other platforms. Those who value security and privacy have Apple. I am glad consumers have a choice.
 
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So... how do I transfer my account from "Login with Google" or via email to "Sign in with Apple"?
(Not that I ever used Facebook.)

Maybe for some accounts it doesn't matter... but it does for things like reward programs, etc.
 
It'll still take time for developers to implement within their app

Even when you had Autofill", Lastpass took a while before they updated to include it.. and there is no guarantee every one would do this 'sign in with Apple.'


...But, the feature is cool ::)
 
john123 said:
As you're a developer, then you know that this is for many companies and organizations more involved than just "adding one more button." It's not nearly as trivial as you're making it out to be, and there potentially lots of other considerations that come with it.

This is a rather big onus to put on product and development teams, especially with such a quick deadline.

My company supports email and Facebook sign-in — and that's it — for very good reasons. It's pretty integral to what we do, and we're very straightforward about why that is. This thing really backs us into a corner...not to mention that our dev roadmap for the rest of the year was already pretty set. For us, this is a real mess, and while I'm sure we're in the minority, I'm also sure we aren't alone.
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I'm curious. It's literally an hours work. Put the button on, get the callback and you know who the user is.

The only way it's an issue is if your getting more data from user from their facebook account than just the fact they are authorized and their name. But then you have email sign in as well so it doesnt make sense why this would be so difficult to do?

I dont get it...
 
Khedron said:
Apple's entire strategy is based on closing off its customers inside its prison/"walled garden" and only allowing contact with the external world on their terms

They developed a mobile OS that doesn't allow any code to run if not authorised by Apple, and now even call this a "computer replacement"

They include NFC chips in phones but only for using Apple Pay, no other services allowed

They include bluetooth chips in HomePods but only to connect to an Apple device to set up, no use for streaming audio from non-Apple devices allowed

Now they're targeting the internet itself with Safari and now apps putting an extra layer between the user and 3rd parties. It's true this means 3rd parties can't collect data as easily, but Apple reserves the right to collect data themselves and use their unique position to sell advertising products to 3rd parties
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Bingo.

People are dismissing a wide spectrum of competing and innovating marketers for a singular marketer who—no surprise—wants to sell them services and content, and charge $ for access to them. How is this different?

Frankly, Apple's band-aid privacy solutions and product-verse won't end privacy exploits. Only laws, self-policing, and concessions will.
 
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