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Tim loves cheap labor, sweat shops

Tim sucks up to anyone who can save him a penny! He doesn't care about the labor practices and sweat shops in China.
What you have said is not true. It's a sweeping generalization that ignores the reality of manufacturing in a global market.

I wonder what would be said by people sharing your view if Apple pulled manufacturing out of every country you thought had these issues and overnight product prices doubled or tripled and inventory disappeared because America could not supply the labor or resources required. Macro Econ 101 says if you can't serve an industry efficiently and competitively, you don't belong in it that industry. Time and time again that has been proven true.
 
What you have said is not true. It's a sweeping generalization that ignores the reality of manufacturing in a global market.

I wonder what would be said by people sharing your view if Apple pulled manufacturing out of every country you thought had these issues and overnight product prices doubled or tripled and inventory disappeared because America could not supply the labor or resources required. Macro Econ 101 says if you can't serve an industry efficiently and competitively, you don't belong in it that industry. Time and time again that has been proven true.
So you support sweat shops and cheap illegal labor practices. Keep it real instead of skirting around the issue!
 
Yeah, I get it’s about China, but it’s hard not to mention others when we’re talking about that kind of stuff. Bit of perspective, that is all.

It's fine to mention, but it's what commonly referred to as "whataboutism".

By bringing up other examples of same/similar conduct, it deflects and minimizes the situation at hand/under current topical discussion.
 
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Tell the QC of Macbook Pros to check the screen manufacturing. All come with microscratches and dents.
 
Cook built the supply chain and manufacturing side of the business, not Jobs or any one else at Apple.

But he did do so under the instructions of Jobs.

If anyone really wants to understand how Apple became so reliant on China for manufacturing - and why they remain so to this day - you need to read "Apple in China" by Patrick McGee. It is a deep analysis of Apple's manufacturing from the early days of the Macintosh, through the iPod and iPhone, and up to within a couple of years ago. it also outlines how Apple's massive investments in China (totaling hundreds of billions of dollars) helped China become the production powerhouse it is today.
 
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Or the people creating/running companies could choose to stay private, and not be beholden to the fiduciary duties that come with running a public company. It's all about choices. But, greed is king.

Well, dig up Steve Jobs and yell at his corpse for taking Apple public in 1980 so that he and Woz actually had the money to make the IIe and the first Mac.
 
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Or the people creating/running companies could choose to stay private, and not be beholden to the fiduciary duties that come with running a public company. It's all about choices. But, greed is king.
This continues to be a major downside of being a public company. Wall St is helpful for making everyone rich af, and certainly has other plusses, but it often forces companies to make bad brand decisions.

E.g., it would be a great idea for Apple to take a "tock" cycle for OS27. Concentrate on de-bugging and streamlining instead of chasing silly new features (Memoji, Liquid Glass). But the shareholders would never allow something like that, because it would risk short term gains.
 
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This continues to be a major downside of being a public company. Wall St is helpful for making everyone rich af, and certainly has other plusses, but it often forces companies to make bad brand decisions.

E.g., it would be a great idea for Apple to take a "tock" cycle for OS27. Concentrate on de-bugging and streamlining instead of chasing silly new features (Memoji, Liquid Glass). But the shareholders would never allow something like that, because it would risk short term gains.
No, that's untrue.

Wall St is helpful for making some people rich af.

Capitalism 101.
 
True, but you can maximize shareholder value without increasing business in a country that we are in a cold war with and that has been committing genocide for the better part of a decade now.

YOU are in a cold war with them, not me. I feel America has squandered a lot of our luck and now it’s showing in fantastically ugly ways. Also, given our recent war record and weapons sales, I’d be really careful about throwing around “genocide” and sniffing at China (or anyone else).
 
When a person puts words in someone's mouth in order to support their position it usually indicates their position is pretty weak. You know perfectly well that is not what I said.
You support China in a global market right? If so, then you support their forced labor practices across their country.
 
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No, but it's not really Apple's problem to fix. It's a problem 30+ years in the making since Clinton signed NAFTA and whatever policy it was that allowed China to ship us stuff for really cheap. That may have started with Regan back in the 80's?



Imagine only being able to source 1000 screws a day, and only 20 people in America are able to make them.

Edit: Changed 20+ to 30+ because time is hard and I'm older than I thought.
Clinton worked hand in hand to add china to WTO and a priority trading partner. Then he created the stock option loophole which when coupled with Reagan making stock buybacks legal in 82 was the final touch to the downfall of our economic engine.
 
Because a post was called out for a sweeping generalization, the conclusion is the poster is a cheerleader for sweat shops?

That’s some fuzzy, fuzzy logic. Critical thinking serves us all well.
It would be nice if some people had common sense these days instead of supporting a communist regime!
 
It would be nice if some people had common sense these days instead of supporting a communist regime!

Well hold on, you're forgetting the only thing that matters. Those "communists" over there have a lower labor cost (gee, wonder why that is) meaning Tim can improve his margin by making his stuff there.

Ethics don't matter. Profit does. This is the unfortunate way of the world.
 
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Most countries and major companies have been moving aggressively to reduce their economic dependence on America.

America is too unstable to do business with anymore, prone to wild irrational swings every four years. Deals done under one administration cast aside by the next.

China represents a stable predictable place to invest. Business likes stability.
 
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