Apple CEO Tim Cook Publicly Comes Out as Gay in Letter Declaring Support for Equality

[mattster16]

No, a NEW union requires a NEW word with the correct definition. Why not call all human beings "MEN"? I don't care what they call it either and they should be treated equally. Its just not a marriage because by definition, it does not fit.

I hate to break it to you, but:

Medical Definition of MAN

: a bipedal primate mammal of the genus Homo (H. sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes (family Pongidae) but is distinguished by greater development of the brain with resulting capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning, by marked erectness of body carriage with corresponding alteration of muscular balance and loss of prehensile powers of the foot, and by shortening of the arm with accompanying increase in thumb size and ability to place the thumb next to each of the fingers, that is usually considered to occur in a variable number of freely interbreeding races, and that is the sole living representative of the family Hominidae; broadly : any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

This applies to both males and females of our species.

Gay marriage is not an argument you are going to win based on semantics. I suggest you find another argument....

 

[Tough Guy]

Everyone deserves equals rights. End of story. End of line.

You don't believe that for a second.

 

[Shearwater]

Congratulations Tim!... Not a surprise to many of us but you certainly doubled down on secrecy better than the iPhone6..

 

[glxyjones]

If you fall in love with a woman, marry her and remain faithful until the day you die, do you suddenly stop finding other women attractive?

What? No? I'm not sure the point you're trying to make.

 

[iHateMacs]

Why did he need to say anything at all.

Steve Jobs never had to come out as straight.

I'd never given TC's sexuality a second thought. It does not make any difference to his work.

Jonny Ive's work on the other hand does actually benefit from being gay.

 

[NY Guitarist]

Ok Tim, back to work... where's the iWatch?

 

[Avatar74]

One quick story that I like: a man, after dying asks God a question, "Father, you see everything, and you saw the wars, mistreatment of others, and famines, and you had the power to stop it. Why didn't you?" God looks at the man, smiles, and says, "Son, I gave you a brain, compassion, the knowledge of right and wrong, and he power to choose. Why didn't you do your part to end these?"

That was Galileo. He said, "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."

He was persecuted by the Catholic Church for heresy, and placed under house arrest until his death in 1642. The Church did not apologize for this for another 350 years....

I consider that to be one of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated against human intellect and humanity. It was by no means the first nor the last, in a very, very long list...

More than 1000 years earlier, Aryabhata published his mathematical treatise that had, among other things, calculated the Precession of the Equinoxes (26,000 year cycles) and circumference of the Earth to within 0.02% accuracy....

Not all religions subscribe(d) to such a narrow view of the universe as the Abrahamic tribes that were in their infancy when Egypt, India and Greece already had supercultures in Thebes, Athens, Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, preceding Christians by a good 2500 to 5000 years.

 

[TomTomHatesCats]

Ok, that's an excuse. Now i feel bad for you, not being able to enjoy pussycats.

Believe me, I wish I wasn't allergic. Sooo many of my friends have cats

 

[Macboy Pro]

It absolutely is separate. They want marriage. Not civil unions. MARRIAGE. All they want is to be treated the same as everybody else and not be told they're not allowed to get what straight people can get because of their sexual orientation.

Just like black people wanted to eat at the same restaurants, drink at the same drinking fountains, and **** in the same toilets as white people. Gays want the same marriage as straight people.

again, if you would listen. I agree that they should not be treated differently, not be subject to discrimination of any sort. But call it something that fits. The word marriage means one man and one woman. That definition stands the test of history.

If the movement really wanted equality, they would be happy to get it. What they want it to use the word marriage and to get everyone to affirm it as such. It's NOT. Just plain and simple.

 

[NY Guitarist]

I often forget just how many people are super uptight about other people's stuff that's none of their business, to the point of discriminating, fear mongering and legislating against them.

 

[glxyjones]

What's not to understand? It's because bisexuals are born bisexual without choosing to be attracted to both genders.

I agree with you. I'm not saying bisexuality is a choice. I'm saying that if you are inherently bisexual, you then have a choice as to whether you spend your life with a man or a woman.

 

[scoobydoo99]

I certainly support him as CEO of Apple. But certainly don't support his homosexuality.

"Don't support..." ??

Would it make sense for me to say "I don't support blue eyes." ??

In the days of Downvotes, you would have hundreds.

 

[Tough Guy]

I hate to break it to you, but:

Medical Definition of MAN

: a bipedal primate mammal of the genus Homo (H. sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes (family Pongidae) but is distinguished by greater development of the brain with resulting capacity for articulate speech and abstract reasoning, by marked erectness of body carriage with corresponding alteration of muscular balance and loss of prehensile powers of the foot, and by shortening of the arm with accompanying increase in thumb size and ability to place the thumb next to each of the fingers, that is usually considered to occur in a variable number of freely interbreeding races, and that is the sole living representative of the family Hominidae; broadly : any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

This applies to both males and females of our species.

Gay marriage is not an argument you are going to win based on semantics. I suggest you find another argument....

That is not the "medical definition". You know full well that words have multiple meanings in the english language. Your deliberately choosing the wrong definition makes you look intellectually dishonest.

In other words... massive fail.

 

[mattster16]

Yea, I guess its sad. Pretty soon it will be a marriage will be:

1 man, 1 woman, 2 goats - Animals cannot give consent to marry.
or
2 men, 1 woman - Polygamy is outlawed because of potential fraud that would harm society. Until now nobody has been able to show gay marriage will harm society in any way.
or
2 women and one man
or
maybe we can let parents marry children, or sisters and brothers marry. - This is illegal due to potential genetic abnormalities entering the societal gene pool.

When does it end?

Marriage is defined as one man and one woman. Just call one man and one man something else and give them 100% rights guaranteed. (if that was the real agenda)

See my rebuttals.

 

[bunnicula]

Or do you?? What if that person was attractive to you, but you found out later that the person was a different gender than you thought they were???

And what about divorced couples? They were attracted to each other when they met and got married... but I truly doubt they still are attracted. Did they choose to STOP being attracted to one another? Absolutely, but it didn't happen overnight (or maybe it did, depending on what was going on that night)

Sorry... but we aren't guided by some unknown force that just makes decisions for you. Your actions are you own choice, no one elses. NO ONE can force you to do something, it ultimately becomes your choice.
I'm sorry you don't understand that...

Here's how it would go:

I see attractive person... I think "wow... that person is really lovely."

I meet attractive person... I still think that person is lovely. I'm heterosexual, so I think that I might want to get involved with this person, as this person appears to be male.

I find out more about this person, and it turns out this person is female.

I acknowledge that I did find this person quite attractive (and no doubt, still think this person is lovely), but my attraction will not progress beyond this point, because that person isn't a man, and I am not attracted sexually to people who lack man parts.

This person's lack of the type of anatomy that attracts me sexually will prevent me from wanting to carry this any further than my initial observations because I am not sexually interested in the female anatomy.

I am heterosexual. I don't feel my sexuality is threatened by mistakenly thinking that a woman (or transgendered individual) is a man. On the contrary. I appreciate the aesthetic beauty, regardless.

So... yes. People are heterosexual or homosexual, or bisexual... or even asexual (I know some people who are). That is separate from gender identity.

 

[mattster16]

That is not the "medical definition". You know full well that words have multiple meanings in the english language. Your deliberately choosing the wrong definition makes you look intellectually dishonest.

In other words... massive fail.

According to Merriam Webster that is the medical definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/men?show=1&t=1414699703

Scroll down to the medical dictionary section.

 

[Symtex]

This is the interesting thing. God can neither proven nor disproven using the scientific method. I can tell you, through my experiences, which again I can Keith prove not disprove through scientific methods, as it is my own anecdote, that I have felt His presence, and I have gotten answers to prayers.

As an engineer, I have tried to prove His existence, and I cannot using physical tools that I can show to you as my testimony, which is all I have. I can, however, tell you the method I used: Study of scriptures and prayer. I then came to the conclusion that He proves to each individual that asks in a personal manner.

In my experience, He is a God of love, patience (especially in dealing with me), and wants me to help the world be a better place. Could He do it? Sure, but what would I learn from that?

One quick story that I like: a man, after dying asks God a question, "Father, you see everything, and you saw the wars, mistreatment of others, and famines, and you had the power to stop it. Why didn't you?" God looks at the man, smiles, and says, "Son, I gave you a brain, compassion, the knowledge of right and wrong, and he power to choose. Why didn't you do your part to end these?"

I hope that this dialog has at least given you a perspective on me and that although we see hints differently, there are reasons for my beliefs.

anecdotal it is than

 

[glxyjones]

There was a perfect example of this a few years ago. A preacher went where gay marriage was being debated, introduced himself, and started reading a prepared speech. As he got to the end of it, he 'forgot' to change a mention of interracial marriage to gay marriage. At that point, he pointed out that he was, in fact, reading a fairly famous speech given by someone who had been arguing *against* interracial marriage. He then went on to let the people who up until moments before had been murmuring in approval, just how ashamed of themselves they should be.

I would love to see this. Awesome.

 

[Eraserhead]

1 man, 1 woman, 2 goats
or
2 men, 1 woman
or
2 women and one man
or
maybe we can let parents marry children, or sisters and brothers marry.

Animals can't consent, women and men can, so that's the big difference. With regards to polygamy we need to sort out some issues with it, but it should be a solvable problem.

 

[bandrews]

Its not separate. Its would be different name. That is NOT separate. Does calling a man and man, make him unequal to a woman who is called a woman, especially if they have all the same rights. Your argument is ridiculous.

Man and woman can be called just that, and be equal. Marriage and Same Sex Union can be called that and be equal.

But that is not the agenda..... its so obvious by the arguments being made...

Too late - it has already been redefined by the Oxford English Dictionary.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2377485/Dictionary-change-entry-marriage-include-gay-people-sex-weddings-enshrined-law.html

 

[mattster16]

Why did he need to say anything at all.

Steve Jobs never had to come out as straight.

I'd never given TC's sexuality a second thought. It does not make any difference to his work.

Jonny Ive's work on the other hand does actually benefit from being gay.

Jonny Ive is not gay...

 

[LordVic]

You don't believe that for a second.

I absolutely do.

I firmly, Strongly, to the very core of my being believe that we are all human, and we all have the rights to be treated equally and fairly.

I live by a rule:

Treat others the way I wish to be treated.


I would die before I vary from this.

 

[tbrinkma]

God smiled on Lot, who offered his daughters to be abused by his neighbors. That tells you a lot about the concept of God when that story was written.

Actually, it kind of does. God smiled on Lot because he did everything in his power to protect the guests in his home from the angry mob outside. The story of Sodom is about *hospitality*, not homosexuality. Of course, he then ruins the lesson, turning into yet another example of blind, mindless obedience, by turning Lots wife to salt because she looked back at the spectacle of destruction they were allowed to flee.

 

[Tough Guy]

Jonny Ive's work on the other hand does actually benefit from being gay.

Was that supposed to be a joke? Dude isn't ghey.

 

[brianvictor7]

Yeah, like condoning slavery, instructions on when it is proper to beat your wife, and condemning the mixing of different fabrics

Don't forget this gem from Leviticus:


Funny how the Bible Thumpers choose to neglect some of the Leviticus Rant while holding up certain parts as Divine Authority.

Let's take these objections one at a time.

1. Does the bible condone slavery? Answer: No, not as we think of slavery. Slavery as prescribed by OT cannon was a form of indentured servitude designed to help the pooor survive economically. We have similar instutitions today: the military is a form of indentured servitude.

2. Does the Bible say when it is okay to beat your wife? Answer=That's a new one on me. Care to provide verses supporting?

3. Why does the the Bible condemn the mixing of certain fabrics? Answer = Several possibilites. Probably it had to do ensuring that the Israelites did not emulate local practices associated with idol worship.

Of course, for all those who love to ask why Christians don't follow all of the OT, the answer is because not all of it applies to Gentiles (non-Jews). That was made clear in verses like, Acts 15:20 and even the strictures in this were verse were reduced in later books. This is not a complete answer, of course.