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Sweden did basically nothing and they're fine. The whole virus is BS. It's not nearly as deadly as the media keeps pushing. There are studies by USC, Stanford and others showing 40-85x more people have gotten this than have tested positive. Most didn't even know they had it. There's a 99.9% chance you'll be fine if you get it. We need to just go back to normal and live our lives.
There is a lot of room between Sweden is basically fine and the virus is BS. The antibody test is very unreliable. That said - I am more or less agreement that its time to aggressively relax restrictions. Everyone less than 60 should go back to work with masks and heavy personal hygiene, no hand shaking, etc. Kids who don’t live with elderly should probably go back to school. People are starting to publish models showing we will have more mortality from suicide than the virus if we keep so many people unemployed. For low population density areas that probably should have never shut down they should be back to work ASAP. NY is still struggling and will probably need to continue, but having the same rules for places with an order of magnitude differences in population density is crazy. That’s the nice thing about federalism - the states can start experimenting and we can learn from each other Just like other countries have been doing differnent things. If tracing helps us get to work sooner that’s great news.
 
it is not impossible. You follow the rules and wait in a neat line outside then follow the one way system when it is your turn. Children have learned how to do this and follow it to the letter, it can’t be hard for adults.

It's impossible for the grocery store workers. While you may be trained to stay 6' apart while in line the store workers have customers regularly pass within inches of them in the isles. All grocery store employees deserve Hazard Pay IMO.
 
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It's impossible for the grocery store workers. While you may be trained to stay 6' apart while in line the store workers have customers regularly pass within inches of them in the isles. All grocery store employees deserve Hazard Pay IMO.

They have a big sheet of plastic in front of them and gloves they are changing after each customer. Though, I do not disagree that they should get some extra pay out of this. Everyone is singing praises of front line medical workers and yet forget all these millions of folks that are just on living wage(or perhaps even only minimum wage) that are keeping the country going.
 
Sweden did basically nothing and they're fine.

Sweden has among the lowest testing rates (9,357 per 1M), so we really don't know how "fine" they are.

They also have the tenth-highest death rate, at 200 per 1M. Even the US managed to do better than that.
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They have a big sheet of plastic in front of them and gloves they are changing after each customer.

That's at the cashier, sure. But what about restocking shelves? I regularly see people pass them by closely.
 
What a dreadful waste, almost like security theatre. It relies on everyone having a smartphone, having bluetooth enabled and working, having the app installed, and then caring about the alert.

Other than having the app installed, you're describing billions of people.

It can't be that hard to just not stand too close to people

First of all, in practice, it often is. And second, there are tons of other ways to get infected. Touching a door handle, for example.
 
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That's at the cashier, sure. But what about restocking shelves? I regularly see people pass them by closely.

I seen one out with a mask on and once again we played the 6' dance as marked out on the floor. Our Coop is also shut a bit earlier than usual so they can restock. Really there is no need to staff to make contact with people if the stores follow some common sense. They could even close for a hour mid day to restock. And still what is going to happen, they aren't allowed their phones out on the shop floor regardless.

If you are in a store and there is someone packing shelves, polity wait for them to spot you and move to a safer location so you can get past.
 
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it is not impossible. You follow the rules and wait in a neat line outside then follow the one way system when it is your turn. Children have learned how to do this and follow it to the letter, it can’t be hard for adults.

If the stores have it setup that way. Every store here is doing it different.

The most popular grocery store near me does not do this but limits the amount of people in the store at once. There is a smaller store that does practice the one way method.

Meanwhile, Home Depot by me has one door in and out, the “security guard” that’s supposed to be keeping things in order is routinely on his phone with his mask anywhere but where it should be. To make matters worse, because of the single door for entry/exit it forces you past all the people on line to get to a register and you can’t get 6 feet from them since they have the aisles filled with the impulse buy items. I have been doing curbside pickup wherever I can, but that is a lesson in frustration.
 
They have a big sheet of plastic in front of them and gloves they are changing after each customer. Though, I do not disagree that they should get some extra pay out of this. Everyone is singing praises of front line medical workers and yet forget all these millions of folks that are just on living wage(or perhaps even only minimum wage) that are keeping the country going.
Plastic is in-between the customer and the checkout person but no gloves or masks where I live.
 
Touching a door handle, for example.

Hopefully shop doors are open where you are as they are here, and if you have to touch a handle it is brass/copper.
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Meanwhile, Home Depot by me has one door in and out

Home Depot does not sound like a necessary shop to be open during a pandemic. I know it is dreadfully boring to be grounded, but I don't think we need to redecorate during the apocalypse.
 
I don't understand if we'll have a beta with the new API, or if they'll release the first version to everyone next week.
 
Do you know any healthcare workers? Genuine, non-inflammatory question. Some of the most intimate perspective/wisdom on the nature of this virus and how actually bad it is can be had from them.
I'll be shocked if he answers you that question. I'm sure he doesn't, and if he does, I'm sure he doesn't tell them that. People like him are the ones helping spread the virus. Sounds to me like he only gets his news from one misleading source.
 
You misunderstand: this is opt in at the OS level.

However, MANY other things attempt to track you with Bluetooth so the general fear is valid.

( 🤔 Makes the headphone jack removal seem less benevolent...)
Oh great, at least it is not forced then.

What may i ask are you worried about. Your phone cell service tracks you everywhere already. Are you going to switch off the cell service as well. Overreaction much.
Personally I want to have as few organizations tracking me as possible, and that’s both in person and digital.
The more organizations tracking you equals a higher chance of misuse and abuse.
And if the government or any organization within it want my position they can get an court order for my cell provider to give it. But not before then.
 
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If Apple is able to release the app very soon then all countries should go with Apple's implementation of contact tracing. Many people are understandably terrified of the virus, but once France or any other country is allowed to secretly move information off your smartphone without your knowledge they will definitely start using it frequently for other purposes.

What's more is they know the Apple version is better and more secure but they are using the calamity surrounding the virus to advance their interests.
 
it is not impossible. You follow the rules and wait in a neat line outside then follow the one way system when it is your turn. Children have learned how to do this and follow it to the letter, it can’t be hard for adults.
And how do you go down a grocery aisle with someone in it and stay 6 feet away? You can't. 6-foot distancing works inline or in wide spaces. That's just reality, and if it isn't for you, that is just anecdotal because it is for many — especially at a bodega or something where there aren't super-wide Costo aisles.
 
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Sweden did basically nothing and they're fine. The whole virus is BS. It's not nearly as deadly as the media keeps pushing. There are studies by USC, Stanford and others showing 40-85x more people have gotten this than have tested positive. Most didn't even know they had it. There's a 99.9% chance you'll be fine if you get it. We need to just go back to normal and live our lives.

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The 40-85x number has not yet been peered reviewed; it may be inaccurate due to false positives, And while Fox news is broadcasting the same messge as jeremy behind the scenes they were planning on telecommuting, etc:

In all staff memo, Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott says the network is "reducing the staff footprint at our headquarters in New York and some of our bureaus and will be instituting telecommuting starting Monday."

So real life lessons 101. Me? I will be cautious until some of these antiviral trials come out, as well as some articles are reviewed, as there is alot of BS out there.
 
Tell me, how can you do groceries without people passing you by within 3 feet, it's nearly impossible.
It's possible.
  1. Limit the number of people allowed in the store at a time.
  2. Only allow people to move in one direction within each aisle, disallow passing, and disallow getting within 6 feet of each other.
  3. When employees are restocking an aisle, rope it off so that customers aren't in it.
  4. Self-checkout. Have customers use hand sanitizer before and after.
Stores in my area are legally required to do #1 and #2. Home Depot and other warehouse type stores do #3 anyways (keep employees away from the scissor jacks and movable stairs and stuff). Many stores choose to do #4 without a pandemic going on.
 
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this got to be the biggest webcam in the whole history of webcams
 
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Contact tracing using bluetooth is a ridiculous idea that will not work. Bluetooth range is about 30 feet and sometimes much more. This well exceeds the understood transmission range of COVID-19 and results in a very high number of false positives, which in turn renders the whole system useless.
If only there was some sort of signal strength associated with the bluetooth signal they could use to tell if one was near or far. And Apple would never think of that, would they? They must be wasting their time.

Voltaire said, "perfect is the enemy of good."
 
Sweden did basically nothing and they're fine. The whole virus is BS. It's not nearly as deadly as the media keeps pushing. There are studies by USC, Stanford and others showing 40-85x more people have gotten this than have tested positive. Most didn't even know they had it. There's a 99.9% chance you'll be fine if you get it. We need to just go back to normal and live our lives.

The 855,000 confirmed infections and 48,000 deaths in the US alone over just two months, along with the 85 large refrigerated tractor trailers brought into NYC to handle deaths from overwhelmed city and hospital morgues, would suggest otherwise.

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"having bluetooth enabled" - some of the ground work for this has been implemented already. Headphone jack removed. Cannot turn off bluetooth from control centre without it getting reactivated automatically. If bluetooth is off, after a iOS update its back on automatically again.

Can any app use the contact tracing api? If not now, then when mission creep begins, in the future? Now that the door is opened, it will be opened even more in the near future.
 
If only there was some sort of signal strength associated with the bluetooth signal they could use to tell if one was near or far. And Apple would never think of that, would they? They must be wasting their time.

Voltaire said, "perfect is the enemy of good."

Measuring RF signal strength is imprecise and does not translate to distance. And what if you’re stopped at a traffic light 10 feet from the next car? That is the type of false positive I’m referring to.
 
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Do you know any healthcare workers? Genuine, non-inflammatory question. Some of the most intimate perspective/wisdom on the nature of this virus and how actually bad it is can be had from them.
I don't think OP is saying that the virus isn't deadly or anything, but rather what's the risk/reward. My grandma got it, and died, within about a weeks' time. But she was also 98 years young and in a nursing home, which was taking precautions. If you can't stop the virus from spreading even when you keep someone confined to their room for a month, without visitors, is there really a need to shut down the economy?

Yes, it's bad, but there seems to be other factors at play which cause it to be deadly, that don't appear related to social distancing. My county didn't get hit hard at all, but the county I grew up in did.

I should also say I'm not one of those people complaining. I understand that I don't know enough to make an informed decision... I'm just questioning the validity of the decision my state/country made when compared to Sweden.
 
Contact tracing using bluetooth is a ridiculous idea that will not work. Bluetooth range is about 30 feet and sometimes much more. This well exceeds the understood transmission range of COVID-19 and results in a very high number of false positives, which in turn renders the whole system useless.

It will work just fine via Bluetooth LE, supporting mesh architectures and adjustable output power for personal area networks.
 
You say 12/18 months... how’s about even 1 month. You must not live in a hard hit area. Good luck

I don't understand your response, but know that I live in a metropolitan area and have been on lockdown for over a month, and likely will be for at least 10 weeks when this wave 1 lockdown is over.
 
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