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Thats a cheap question. These CEOs don't get paid millions to sit there on money and invest it a little and make a bit more. Asking a random online chatter to come up with innovative products is a cheap question. The average individual isn't an inventor or innovative but they know when a good product comes out as in the iphone and ipod. The world does as well.
On the contrary, your cop out reply is what’s cheap. I’m not asking you to come up with a product idea. I’m asking you to point to products from competitors, which have the right to be mentioned in the same sentence as iPod and iPhone. If not a single person in ALL tech companies in the world could come up with something, that’s a pretty high bar to set as a requirement.

AI is the obvious answer, but I feel we are both really talking about hardware products. What are the examples of competitor hardware that have put Apple to shame? That have ACTUALLY become successful while Apple sat on their hands, not just products that have shown potential but never really amounted to anything?

(I will make a prediction here: While people keep saying Android foldables show Apple is behind, what will actually happen is that because the foldable iPhone will not be the most sold iPhone, it will be labelled a failure).
 
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By the way, while the Vision Pro is not what most would consider a success, it’s definitely an innovative product in many ways. Apple is just running out of product genres that have a big enough potential to be a banger in Apple terms.

And interestingly, Vision Pro revenue is estimated to be twice the revenue of Meta Quest. And in contrast to Meta, apple actually earns money when they sell one.
 
By the way, while the Vision Pro is not what most would consider a success, it’s definitely an innovative product in many ways. Apple is just running out of product genres that have a big enough potential to be a banger in Apple terms.

And interestingly, Vision Pro revenue is estimated to be twice the revenue of Meta Quest. And in contrast to Meta, apple actually earns money when they sell one.
Wrong thread? Off topic
 
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Good luck to John in his new role. I hope to see a new Apple that is focused more on software optimization.
 
Surprised to hear this. Was not expecting it to happen this year. Tim has taken the company to new highs. Will definitely miss seeing him at Apple events. John will be unveiling the foldable iPhone! Definitely did not see that coming.
 
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I think it says something that the person taking over is the current hardware chief. Just cements that Apple is hardware company first and foremost.
The strength of Apple has always been that it’s a hardware AND software AND experience AND design AND premium company. I sure hope that won’t change. Although someone sure did try to destroy OS experiences before leaving to Meta.
 
What are the products that you wish Apple had introduced but didn’t?

- Apple Watch with at least 1 week battery life (Garmin showed with the X1 it is possible)
- Apple Ring - would be awesome if e.g. ApplePay would be integrated in a ring
- Cloud, Apple has "iCloud" but this is nowhere close to what Google, MS or Amazon offer
- Last but not least - AI, total fail
- Liquid (Gl)ass - the next big fail in Tims history. He didn't create it but he is responsible for releasing it.

Finally OS upgrades every year - total nonsense for at least macOS. There is absolutely no need to upgrade a productive OS every year, adding bloat and stuff no one needs.

But there is much more. Apple needs a new direction. Presenting the same old iPhone every year just isn't enough.

One more thing ist another thing I miss.
 
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Interesting.

I'm surprised by how much Apple fans don't seem to like Tim Apple. I thought he was well liked?

Steve Jobs was a visionary, it's extremely hard to replicate someone like that. Steve was also lucky to be living in the era of two major technological revolutions — the PC revolution, and the PMC revolution.

Of course Steve Jobs played a major role in both.

Tim Cook brought Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, Apple Vision Pro in terms of hardware.

Nothing as revolutionary as Steve Jobs but still pretty good.

The problem for Tim is that he ran the company during the era of product maturity. Product categories and their form factors have been established, PCs and PMCs have matured.

I think the Vision Pro is a good example of consumers simply not wanting anything more.

The move towards the custom M1 silicone also happened during Tim. That move was monumental! It would kill most other companies.

It can also be argued that Steve Jobs directed the ship and Tim just held on to the wheel.

I'm curious as to what innovations would those want who proclaim that Apple does not innovate?
 
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I can't say I've been the biggest Tim Cook fan, but his impact on Apple's success has been undeniable. Best wishes to John Ternus as he brings his vision to the role.
 
Interesting.

I'm surprised by how much Apple fans don't seem to like Tim Apple. I thought he was well liked?

Steve Jobs was a visionary, it's extremely hard to replicate someone like that. Steve was also lucky to be living in the era of two major technological revolutions — the PC revolution, and the PMC revolution.

Of course Steve Jobs played a major role in both.

Tim Cook brought Apple Watch, AirPods, HomePod, Apple Vision Pro in terms of hardware.

Nothing as revolutionary as Steve Jobs but still pretty good.

The problem for Tim is that he ran the company during the era of product maturity. Product categories and their form factors have been established, PCs and PMCs have matured. I think the Vision Pro is a good example of consumers simply not wanting anything more.
The move towards the custom M1 silicone also happened during Tim. That move was monumental! It would kill most other companies.
It can also be argued that Steve Jobs directed the ship and Tim just held on to the wheel.

I'm curious as to what innovations would those want who proclaim that Apple does not innovate?
People don't like Tim Apple because innovation has stalled massively. He inherited all the products he needed from someone else and simply milked them to within an inch of their life. Year after year he gave the bare minimum, while taking things away only to introduce paid-for solutions to the problems he created.

iPhone chargers, iPhone earphones (yes they used to be included), cord extensions in MacBook boxes (yes they were included as standard), hell, even stickers because every penny helps.

How about all the gaslighting about the environment and his motives when in fact the only motivation was cost-cutting or monetising.

He has treated developers like dirt and instead of them wanting to develop for Apple, they resent having to be on the App Store as a necessary evil.

He's been fighting regulators to the point of having no option but to withdraw from entire markets. For example USB-C because there was more to be made by keeping the massively inferior (but proprietary) Lightning when the rest of the industry had moved on for years. RCS. App Store fees. Sideloading of apps. Opening up core technologies e.g. NFC so that competition can emerge so that customers have more choice and better pricing. Tim Cook says no to all. Good for Apple, bad for customers. All under the veil of "privacy" or whatever insincere PR spin he attaches to it.

Software quality has suffered massively. Thoughtful, innovative industrial, visual and UX/UI design is a thing of the past, with 'good enough' now often being the norm.

No world problem solving products ever emerged. The Apple car was a fluke, he could not bring the company to actually deliver. The spatial computing thing is something people kind-of-understand but don't want to use, certainly not as part of their daily lives. The Apple watch evolution (a product attributed to him, although R&D began way earlier) has been incredibly minor.

All-round embarrassment when it comes to AI, Siri, and betting on the right horse for the future. He's been saying AR is the future for 15 years, but the future never materialised. Guess this wasn't the future after all.

He made a ton of money for the shareholders because he understands monetisation and because he was incredibly lucky to inherit everything he needed. But he has no vision, and he won't be quoted by anyone in the future as someone who dreamt of a better future.

Hope that clarifies it for you.
 
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- Apple Watch with at least 1 week battery life (Garmin showed with the X1 it is possible)
- Apple Ring - would be awesome if e.g. ApplePay would be integrated in a ring
- Cloud, Apple has "iCloud" but this is nowhere close to what Google, MS or Amazon offer
- Last but not least - AI, total fail
- Liquid (Gl)ass - the next big fail in Tims history. He didn't create it but he is responsible for releasing it.
That is a very weak list. Has Garmin toppled Apple Watch with their one week battery life? No. Has anyone else broken the “novelty tech” barrier with a smart ring? No. The rest is a subjective list of software that Apple does provide but you don’t like (although I already agreed with AI - but the point of the question was hardware, although I was not explicit)
Finally OS upgrades every year - total nonsense for at least macOS. There is absolutely no need to uügrade a productive OS every year, adding bloat and stuff no one needs.
Debatable.
But there is much more. Apple needs a new direction. Presenting the same old iPhone every year just isn't enough.
Enough for what? Need because of what? What is the success criteria?
One more thing ist another thing I miss.
I also miss Steve Jobs, but he won’t come back. The last thing I want is someone trying to be Steve Jobs.
 
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People don't like Tim Apple because innovation has stalled massively. He inherited all the products he needed from someone else and simply milked them to within an inch of their life. Year after year he gave the bare minimum, while finding every possible way to monetise more, often in user hostile ways.

He has treated developers like dirt and instead of them wanting to develop for Apple, they resent having to be on the App Store as a necessary evil.

Software quality has suffered massively, thoughtful, innovative industrial, visual and UX/UI design is a thing of the past, with 'good enough' now often being the norm.

No world problem solving products ever emerged. The Apple car was a fluke, he could not bring the company to actually deliver. The spatial computing thing is something people understand but don't want to use. The Apple watch evolution (a product attributed to him, although R&D began way earlier) has been incredibly minor.

And all-round embarrassment when it comes to AI, Siri, and betting on the right horse for the future.

He made a ton of money for the shareholders because he understands monetisation and because he was incredibly lucky to inherit everything he needed. But he has no vision, and he won't be quoted by anyone in the future as someone who dreamt of a better future.

Hope that clarifies it for you.
Absolutely spot on 100%

He took devs away from iOS to work on his Vision Pro vanity project and look at the mess of bugs iOS has become in recent years.

He played no hand in Apple Watch, it was launched as a stupid fashion Accessory originally but lucked out on the health trend and marketing jumped on that instead.

He put his mate and fellow bean counter Jeff Williams in charge of hardware ffs, zero innovation on iPhone for 6 years and even now the Air is the only real new iPhone, the 17 Pro is just a 11/12/13/14/15/16 Pro in a new wrapper.

I have high hopes for Ternus because he isn't a bean counter.
 
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The boat facing the right direction does not help much if it’s at the bottom of the ocean.

Who’s job is it to make sure the boat does not sink?
If we really need more boat-analogies, Cook’s Apple is the opposite of sinking. It may not be moving as fast as before, but it is very much afloat. There are no objective signs that the boat is sinking, just opinions about the direction.

Come on, more boat-analogies - we can do it!!
 
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