I hope there is some genuine basis to Tim Cook's optimism! And this isn't just CEO jargon to placate investors and customers...which seems the more likely scenario to me at the moment.
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I understand. You're right. We're not early adopters in most things, but occasionally we become an early adopter of a product category.Actually, I'm not an early adopter. Bought my MacBook Air in 2012. Didn't buy an iPhone until the third gen - 3Gs.
I agree with you. Thats what I'm saying. Macs, iPhones, iPads—mature. Apple Watch is the new product category that first sells to early adopters, and as it gets better sales will pick up to a wider market. Most people don't buy Apple Gen 1 products. Things pick up maybe Gen 3 or 4. See iPod. So, why are you being so confrontational with me?The only one who is wrong here is you. Apart from the Watch, every one of Apple's products are at the mature stage of their product lifecycle so you can't claim the "network effect" because that's been and gone.
What exactly is this "next stage of technology" Apple is supposed to be heavily investing in? The Electric Car already exists as does Virtual Reality headsets.
Me neither, in a sense, but to be pedantic: Innovation means "make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products." So, for example, introducing new colors to an existing product is innovation. Successful innovation? Depends on whether it meets the objectives of the company, via the needs of the market. If Apple Watch enthusiast (those who spend hundreds on watch bands) are dying for new bands, and Apple delivers, thats innovation. Especially considering that Apple has to invent and problem solve in terms of form, material, manufacturing, and so on, in order to meet demand. Do I want new watch bands? No. But is new watch bands innovative? Yes. Just not to me because I'm not the target market. FYI innovation isn't synonymous with chips. A book can be innovative. A chair or sculpture or art can be innovative. Just changing the form of a chair to better fit your anatomy is innovative. You don't need to add a chip to something to call it innovative. The tech industry doesn't have a monopoly on the word and it's meaning.By the way, I don't count a new range of watch bands as "innovation".
I don't disagree. I'm just trying to bring some nuance to the conversation.As for your last comment - if you had bothered to do a little research you would have found out that far from investing for the long-term, Apple executives are selling their shares as fast as they're allowed. I've no doubt Apple will continue to make shed loads of money for the foreseeable future - just a lot less than they did previously as their YoY sales start to decline.
I'm not wearing my consumer hat. Personally, I would love to see refreshed MacBooks, Mac Pro's, OS X, etc. Which I guess they are getting to at WWDC in a couple months.I can't tell if your trolling and making fun of the kook aid drinking zealots or if you are one.
This is exactly why I cringe so hard I want to explode every time people try to trivialize jobs and say "he was just a great salesmen. Nothing else". I'm not surprised these days...when you start off with a bias against Apple and are already set to hate everything jobs has touched, it must be hard to see the good with blinders onSo TC has been in charge since 2010 (earlier if you include SJs absences). In that time we have nothing.
In the years 1997 to 2010 Steve gave us iMacs, iPods, iPhones and iPads. He also gave us iTunes music and responded to demand and gave us app stores. Along the line he switched to Intel brilliantly. Oh, and he was the CEO of Pixar. Regardless of what anyobe says about it being the work of others: the point is that he focused these organisations and led great innovation. That time has gone. As upsetting as that is, it goes to sow how brilliant the man was.
Perhaps it is unfair of us to compare Tim to him.
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Dominate what world market? They haven't got any more markets to enter into and the ones they have they are beginning to now lose in. It's a bit of a pipe dream to think they plan to dominate markets around the world. And if you are going to discuss world markets, perhaps you should use facts from world market and not your own.
Well seeing as Apple, rather usefully, has refused to release sales figures for it's watch then you go by analysts who state so:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/07/31/apple-watch-sales-below-analyst-expectations/
No, we are not the same, I can tell I have different tastes as I happen to like the design of the Apple Watch so you are wrong there.
It's hardly a surprise to state Apple is in for the long term, you don't need to teach me that. It's the same as every other corporation. And it's plan is faltering whatever it may be but when you fail to update your products for 3 years, your plan is flawed.
Also their plan is failing as their iPad sales have fallen even more than the iPhone, and the iPod sales too, some great plan they have, for one device.
How exactly do YOU know what Apple's vision is for it's watch? Did you speak to Tim Cook or Jony Ive personally? A watch that is so amazing no one will buy it.
You really don't seem to understand do you? The only reason Fitbit is so successful is because it sells it's devices for fitness, because it knows no one wants a watch. Yet Apple IS selling it's device as a watch, the majority of people ditched watches a long time ago because they now have their phones, they are not going to go out and spend hundreds of pounds to buy something that they chose not to have to copy what something they already have does.
It is purely Apple hype that has sold the Apple Watch, it's sales will fall further because IMO Apple has mis-read the market for these devices.
So Apple needs to sell a product for it to reinvest into R&D, erm no it doesn't. Have they got an Apple car on the market already? Didn't realise that, and Apple's idea of R&D hardly costs the earth, making tiny design changes and getting your suppliers to make a better screen isn't ground breaking.
They have sold lots of Mac Pro's but that's not been updated for 3 years so that proves your theory as flawed too.
Apple does NOT need to sell products for R&D research.
As for your theory on vision of components, yeah that's called progress NOT vision, and Apple has NOTHING to do with that, it's components suppliers do, they make all those WiFi, GPS, LTE etc chips, not Apple.
Let me say it again, people stopped buying and wearing watches because they had a phone that told the time, they are not going to buy a watch that is expensive and does the EXACT SAME THING as their phone but on a tiny screen, when they had already stopped wearing a watch by choice.
The Apple Watch will NEVER be as successful as the iPhone based on these facts in my opinion.
In fact the sheer ideology that they are making a car potentially is a fail, they are an electronics company and have never done anything else, so they are completely changing what the company is and does, I do not know as a fact but I very much doubt Steve Jobs ever wanted Apple to build a car.
Investors will be very very nervous the day Apple launches a car, if it does, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next 5 years.
I would too if I was the editor of an Apple centric site.![]()
Pretty optimistic for an ******* who's ruining Apple.
I'm not going to reply point by point, as you have so many points that I disagree with, I guess we'll have to then agree to disagree, respectfully.
The only thing I care to leave you with is that, while you may "feel" a certain way as a consumer, it would help the conversation to gain a new ability to separate yourself from the market.
Think of it this way: there are near infinite numbers of products that don't interest you, that still sell. Thats because you are not the entire market, and most likely not the target market, even if you think you are.
You are just one person. AND, you are frozen in time. You don't see the master plan, or the organic nature of how companies grow. Just because a tree, for example, is bare, doesn't mean it isn't working hard under ground, in its root system. You can bet all you want that the tree is dead or dying, but come spring there will be new leaves.
You seem to be so committed to the idea that Apple isn't innovating, Apple Watch is a complete failure, and that this is the end of Apple. All I can say is, please read a book called "Corporate Lifecycles: How and Why Corporations Grow and Die and What to Do About It" or better yet google for a summary—and then you will see how off your opinions most likely are.
The only way Apple is doomed is if they rest their laurels on Macs and iPhones and remain complacent. If that were the case, then it would make sense to call Tim Cook a bad CEO. Fortunately for growth, they are investing in new streams of revenue. The #1 job of a CEO is capital allocation—to invest incoming cash into the right places for future company development (growth, market strength, etc). Investments have a gestation period. You can't make money in return, right away, and at 100% market saturation upon release. I don't know how many other ways to say that.
Sorry Apple hasn't shared with you the top secret details so that you can sit back in comfort. It's not gonna happen. You're going to have to watch the show like everyone else.
Sigh, I never stated the Apple watch has failed I said it will never be as successful as the iPhone which, which you seem to think it will be, I never said this is the end of Apple. Please don't insult me by stating so.
You are the one who stated you are happy if they didn't update their computers, and now you claim they will be doomed for doing so? Your contradicting yourself now.
They are not innovating, the majority of posters here claim that, according to YOU these posters on here are all stuck in time, you are in the minority stating otherwise, they are not investing into new streams of revenue unless you yourself have seen their business plans for the next 5 years, or are you talking about a car? New watch straps are not new streams.
Ok. If I have to pick between business 101, Tim Cook, and the history of Apple—or your emotional line of thinking, forgive me if I pick the former.As I said, when t comes to watches I don't think you understand the market at all.
Have you seen the Samsung Galaxy 7? I won't change, but outside of the US, that model is En Fuego.
I call BS. Dell and HP have had Skylake machines for seven months now.
Broadwell has been out even longer.
I bought my daughter a Haswell MBP when she went to college. She is now a senior.
This has nothing to do with Intel and everything to do with a neglectful Tim Cook.
What I hope is in the pipeline
7. Arm based laptops to eliminate the constant product delays due to Intel
Wait, you're right. I just totally forgot that Apple still shipped desktops. /sYou do realize that Apple desktops are two generations behind in Intel processors, don't you?
HP and Dell have been shipping Skylake desktops for seven months now.
You absolutely and positively cannot blame Apple's processor delays on Intel.
You don't understand the difference in the chips and chipsets that have come out and are due to come out under Skylake. The ones that'd be appropriate for new MBPs are not out yet. Same with discrete GPU options.
Well, except that Android Auto was announced Jan 2014 and CarPlay was announced March 2014. You could argue CarPlay was based on iPod Out which was sort of released in 2011 - but then you're stuck with Ford Sync by Microsoft in 2008... and which got a graphical display in.. 2011.
No other company has them.. well, except Microsoft who has Health Vault which is used by actual doctors and health care systems... including national systems in several countries... and it ties into their Microsoft Band product. It also supports many retail testing hardware and yes, it's designed to share this with doctors. BTW, most doctors aren't really interested in it. Contrary to how Apple presents it - most doctors won't want 24/7 monitoring of their patients unless they have a chronic/dangerous condition and in those cases, they prefer to push that to medical labs trained to filter out the details and hand them summaries.
I'll give you speakers - although I'm not sure why you'd want to adjust *frequency* when adjusting *amplitude* makes more sense. As for Pencil.. how do you know that it's 'completely different from active digitizers'. For one thing - 'active digitizers' isn't a technology - it's a broad class of them - basically any digitizer where the stylus provides information or signal as opposed to 'passive' where the stylus uses pressure or capacity to cause a sensor in the screen to detect the stylus. Ergo, Pencil is an active digitizer. More importantly, Apple's never explained the technology in the Pencil, but TechRepublic cut one open and guess what? Looks a lot like pretty much all other battery powered styli. The actual innovations seem to be a tilt sensor (which Wacom has had for a long time), and a rechargeable battery - which everyone else has avoided because of the short working time.
As for it being recognised as 'the best stylus' - I'm sure I could find a LOT of Wacom Cintiq fans who would be more than happy to disagree.
Apple invented the attached keyboard? How exactly is that true? The Microsoft TabletPC started in 2002 and many models had attachable keyboards. In fact, they also generally came with Wacom pens... predating the iPad Pro by.. mm.. 14 years. The granddaddy of them - the Compaq TC1000 came with a detachable keyboard/dock and a Wacom pen - and looked uncannily like the iPad although it came out 8 10 years earlier.
Let's go back to.. yes... 2002 again and Windows Media Center systems. Most of the current streamers are actually based on that by way of XBMC - now Kodi - which was an attempt to put WMC on the XBox.
As for the iPad interface.. interesting thing - most media centers aren't little boxes or even computers... today, most of them are *built right into the TV*. And they use grids of icons to represent the things you can watch and do. Sooo. No. Not terribly innovative.
Apple certainly has innovations - saying they have none is overdoing it - but it's equally silly to try and claim that Apple is the ONLY company that innovates.
For example: no one has anything like Microsoft's HoloLens.
But, let's let history make a comment.. in the form of a cartoon published in 2012 by Hijinks Ensue that not only sums up the problem so well - it actually predicted exactly what happened in the future...
Then I apologize for the mixup. Replying to many people here. Sorry.
Yeah, I don't remember stating I was happy. I remember stating with several posters here that as a consumer I am UN-happy about that. I love my macs, personally, more so than iDevices.
And you misunderstand me—I said: read the book. It shows that if a company releases a product line and relies on it solely for time infinite, the market will out innovate it because 30+ competitors X the natural progress of things (eg. People stopped buying CDs) means that if a company stays in place, they will slowly die (its called "complacency" in the book). So if Apple only releases Macs/iPhones, and doesn't innovate in new product categories, they will be on a slow trajectory toward death.
But Apple isn't complacent, are they? They have controlled the rumors about the car so that investors keep their investments in Apple. And they just released the Apple Watch last year, which will grow like the iPhone has. (I don't know it will will hit the exact numbers as iPhone. I would think not, but a luxury version of the Watch can sell for $30,000 possibly where as a phone will be capped at around $1,000).
Wow.
- First of all, thanks. Being in the minority is a complement. Never be in the majority, people. It's called hive-mind.
- Secondly, "they are not investing into new streams of revenue unless you yourself have seen their business plans." Really? Is Apple Watch not a new stream of revenue that will grow as the watch improves and sells to the majority? Is upcoming Apple Car not a new revenue stream? Is Apple Pay not a new revenue stream? Is the growth of the ecosystem not a new revenue stream?
- "New watch straps are not new streams." It's called cross-sell. You went to the movies for $12, then bought $8 in popcorn & drink. Thats $20. When Apple releases accessories and bands, etc, they make money. Who would have thought?
Ok. If I have to pick between business 101, Tim Cook, and the history of Apple—or your emotional line of thinking, forgive me if I pick the former.
he was talking about the mac pro, not the MacBook pro so his claims are correct.Depends on which Pro, I bought the Early 2015 MacBook Pro 12 inch with Broadwell processors which is still current. Yes, the 15 inch is still out of date.
Well, Steve "hand appointed" John Sculley, how did that work out? How about you explain why AAPL is such a dismal performer over the last 4 years? How about you explain why we should have confidence in Cook and his "pipeline BS" that he has been spewing over the last several years?
Judging by your responses, you don't have much of a sense of humor so kidding you would be a waste of time.No need to be offensive. How do you know what car I drive? "not a loyalist?" You've got to be kidding me. Sorry I don't drink the BMW cool-aid
I have dynamic traffic that reroutes me constantly. Perhaps turn on the modes that make it work for you. And functionality, UI changes, interaction changes .... they keep doing them and all you need to do is request a dealer to update that software when they do the service.First of all, traffic updates are not 4g, that's your sirius XM radio. As a loyalist you should've known that. Now it is true that you don't need an active subscription for traffic but the maps themselves are never as good as something that updates all the time. Your map app is literally static and your software is static. Your'e done, they're not adding any more functionality to it.
The car DOES have search. It connects to the ConnectedDrive server which is updated frequently. Trust whomever you please.Next, you want local businesses? No 4g connection means you aren't searching for any new businesses, your'e stuck with what the car software has. Apple carplay has yelp now, and I trust yelp more than a built in BMW system.
Asking SIRI to read your texts if you have game have potential to unleash embarrassment or a disaster depending on who you have in the car, however, ConnectedDrive already has that function. Carplay is not the device. It's a shared system that has a CarPlay mode which takes your iPhone UI and positions it on a screen built into the dash. BMW already gives you app downloads in a ConnectedDrive store.Touchscreen does take your eyes off the road, and that's why SIRI is such a big help. But you know what else takes your eye off the road? responding to texts. Checking scores. Checking what music to play. Maybe switching to a podcast. What device do you use to do those things? A phone. BMW will always be a middleman representation of those things. Carplay will literally be your device. How will BMW interface reflect spotify? Apple music? Not well, they rely on your phone having those apps, additionally none of your BMW interface will help with that. Voice control, can you tell BMW to play a music on apple music? no.
Yes they do update the apps. They release newer and newer ways to interact with these apps and release them on the ConnectedDrive Services. My car is also linked to the MyBMW internet portal where I have chosen a default dealership that messages me reminders when I need services appointments. But then again, why do I need someone else scheduling something for me when I simply do it on my own? I don't see how CarPlay will assist with that? Dialing a number to a service department still running DOS and broken email services?On that subject, does BMW have continuously updated apps? Can you take your car into BMW and ask them to integrate MLB at Bat for example? Can you tell your car to schedule an appointment for you?
I barely look at my phone when I am in the car. I have a heads up display on the windshield for quick actions like dialing numbers, navigation, speed, gear shift and song/album selection. You are missing the point when it comes to touchscreen lodged into the dashboard. You have to point your finger in a direction and make eye pattern trail to the device to select a button you cannot feel unless you are looking at the touch points and during that exact moment that is no different then picking up your phone and doing the same thing. I defend the iDrive because it's a wheel with built in click and touch pad on top. A wheel that has been placed in the most natural spot for a driver to interact with all UI... near the gear shift. You are suggesting a person do a whole slew of additional actions to interact with a larger version of your iPhone screen 2 feet from where your hand rests naturally while driving. That's laughable at best. The only killing that will be had will be the lives lost when more and more people take their eyes off the road to attempt to find buttons to tap on. For now, I'll just use my already installed Voice recognition in the two modes: BMW Voice and Siri hands free.I think it's actually completely hilarious to me how much your'e defending the idrive interface system. The idrive interface will forever be the middleman between your car and your phone. Why not let Apple control that interface? I think it's sad that you don't realize car manufacturers are making a killing selling an interface to you that you'll end up just looking down on your phone for that interface instead.
AAPL closed up $1.54 (1.64%) on a day where the overall market was down. Was up as high as $2.10 (2.24%)
I guess your appearance on Mad Money last night was a success, right, Mr. Cook?
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That's bogus. 6 month leads? No. The 7 is the first one that is hardware-based superior to the iphone "flagship" (i hate that word.)Yes and like normal with the Galaxy phones is they're neck and neck with iPhone. A difference which can be explained (if either side appears to take the lead) by the 6 months difference in their release schedules.
I'm not going to reply point by point, as you have so many points that I disagree with, I guess we'll have to then agree to disagree, respectfully.
The only thing I care to leave you with is that, while you may "feel" a certain way as a consumer, it would help the conversation to gain a new ability to separate yourself from the market.
Think of it this way: there are near infinite numbers of products that don't interest you, that still sell. Thats because you are not the entire market, and most likely not the target market, even if you think you are.
You are just one person. AND, you are frozen in time. You don't see the master plan, or the organic nature of how companies grow. Just because a tree, for example, is bare, doesn't mean it isn't working hard under ground, in its root system. You can bet all you want that the tree is dead or dying, but come spring there will be new leaves.
You seem to be so committed to the idea that Apple isn't innovating, Apple Watch is a complete failure, and that this is the end of Apple. All I can say is, please read a book called "Corporate Lifecycles: How and Why Corporations Grow and Die and What to Do About It" or better yet google for a summary—and then you will see how off your opinions most likely are.
The only way Apple is doomed is if they rest their laurels on Macs and iPhones and remain complacent. If that were the case, then it would make sense to call Tim Cook a bad CEO. Fortunately for growth, they are investing in new streams of revenue. The #1 job of a CEO is capital allocation—to invest incoming cash into the right places for future company development (growth, market strength, etc). Investments have a gestation period. You can't make money in return, right away, and at 100% market saturation upon release. I don't know how many other ways to say that.
Sorry Apple hasn't shared with you the top secret details so that you can sit back in comfort. It's not gonna happen. You're going to have to watch the show like everyone else.