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With all that canned marketing speak, I can't tell if you're serious or if you're mocking the people who are.
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"marketing speak" ?? so if i complained about Apple you'd call that ... what? and your next complaint was "kool-aid". you sound like a trole to
With all that canned marketing speak, I can't tell if you're serious or if you're mocking the people who are.
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There's something wrong with being a fan boy?
 
I don't disagree with you. We barely disagree. If you read my other posts (the popularity of this thread will make that hard, though) I outline similar points. It's called "Tehnology Adoption Lifecycle Model" and Apple's business model is in essence to take raw or early(ish) technology and repackage it to sell to an early majority market. But to do that they have to cross the chasm. And it takes a few iterations to do that. Especially because what consumers want doesn't always exist. Apple doesn't invent all technology. For example: Apple didn't invent the processor and they currently rely on Intel to innovate chip design for macs.

That's the long view model. But also, when they saturate and "peak" all they can do is hold on to market share in one arm, meanwhile develop and go into new product categories to create new streams of revenue.

And that's what Apple Watch is. and car. And so on.

Apple Watch sucks enough that even I didn't buy it. But that's the point I'm making: It's expected. They never saturate the market or develop the ideal anything until a few generations in.

Apple has to find early development and the supply chain, sell an early adopter version, make money, then fund the supply chain with sales from version 1, asking them, "Here's more money. Now help me make this better, faster, more effecifient." They do, and Apple comes back with Version 2. Then with profit, they return and continue the loop.

Version 1 is "just ok". Version 2 is "better." Version 3 is "great!" Version 4 is "Amazing! I have to have one." For this, see iPhone. I didn't buy until version 3G and it wasn't amazing until version 4. Of course everyone falls differently on that adoption line.

Again: do I think Apple Watch v1 is amazing? No. Proof: I didn't buy one.

Do I think Apple is following the pattern of tech adoption? Yes. Proof: Apple does this with every product.

For sure. That was, more or less, the trajectory of the 2008 MacBook Air. And, the retina MacBook will follow that same path.

Ditto, the Watch. For me, though, Watch 1 has become indispensable. It's been on my wrist around 12 hours/day everyday since purchased last July. When I bought it I was skeptical and assumed I'd be returning it not finding any utility/value. But had to see for myself first-hand, actually wearing and using it, rather than relying on all of the internet noise. After two weeks there was no way it was going back.
 
Which wouldn't even be a problem if it weren't for exaggerated growth expectations, otherwise everybody could be happy with flat multi-billion earnings every year, that would continue even if people change their phone only every 3 years.

By saying flat you imply that there were nearly equal sales from one period to another. This quarter wasn't "flat". this quarter saw almost %20 decrease in sales from the April Q 2015.

thats a decline. not flat. its a cmopletely different ballgame to investors.

One quarter though does not make a trend, it could be an anomoly, it could be a warning, it could be a sign of things to come. None of us are Seers. we can only speculate based upon industry and market conditions, and perceived Apple direction.

But you can't easily say "that would continue even if people change their phone only every 3 years". Its exactly the mentality that BlackBerry took. "we're still profitable, even though we're flat. we have time to release something new, we don't have to rush or keep up, we'll get our next big OS out when we are ready".

so... where's blackberry today?
Hint: they're not #1 anymore.
 
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Wow, negativity much?

First of all, what is a technology CEO supposed to say? "We're not really working on anything great right now, but we figure we can keep selling products based on momentum and brand name"

Secondly, Apple truly has been releasing innovative and amazing things every year. Perhaps it's not the innovation that YOU want to see. Just in the past 12 months we've seen....

2016: True Tone display - New way of dynamically calibrating the screen
2015: Apple Watch - Completely new product category
2015: Apple TV - New reimagining with apps, trackpad remote, etc
2015: 3D touch - New interface for interacting with iPhone, new technology required
2015: MacBook - A lot of changes in the new macbook

If you read the "negativity", it's pretty well justified. Apple charges huge premiums on seriously outdated hardware when it comes to their Mac lineup. The Mini was a fail, the "Pro" is pretty much a gramophone, the MB Air display is pitiful, the MacBook still doesn't have a second USB-C port, etc...

It's pretty much insulting. Nobody cares about the True Tone display when the things people actually need to get their work done are tossed aside for ages.
 
Wow, negativity much?

First of all, what is a technology CEO supposed to say? "We're not really working on anything great right now, but we figure we can keep selling products based on momentum and brand name"

Secondly, Apple truly has been releasing innovative and amazing things every year. Perhaps it's not the innovation that YOU want to see. Just in the past 12 months we've seen....

2016: True Tone display - New way of dynamically calibrating the screen
2015: Apple Watch - Completely new product category
2015: Apple TV - New reimagining with apps, trackpad remote, etc
2015: 3D touch - New interface for interacting with iPhone, new technology required
2015: MacBook - A lot of changes in the new macbook

2016: I'll give you that as the True Tone screen is clever and very nice.

2015: New product category for Apple only.

2015: They have copied the market with the new Apple TV, Amazon and Android offered apps before Apple as they knew it was where it's going, no innovation from Apple at all, just copying.

2015: Apple were beaten by Huawei with this technology, and I like most people forget it's there 90% of the time, not innovation in my mind when I forget it's there let alone not use it! It's most certainly NOT amazing.

2015: Apple copied the ultra book market with their update, smaller and thinner and lighter machines, but Apple ditched magsafe and ports to do that, you have to be a specific person or have specific needs to want one. It's not innovative to drop features to copy a market segment.

I would class the True Tone as innovative, I wouldn't class any of the above as amazing though.
 
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Some of what Tim said is true for me. I am trying out Android as my main phone. But I really miss my Apple Watch and iMessage features like receiving live photos. I like Android for some features like unlimited storage by just replacing the SD card and easy access to the filesystem. But I am thinking of making my iPhone my main phone again today.
 
More Kool-Aid?
Yes please. Also, as a consumer there's a lot to be desired but my self-centered needs do not equate to "Apple is doomed. Cook is a fool" posts. That's all I'm saying but people replying don't seem to be able to differentiate the two.
 
iPad Mini Pro, iPhone SES Pro, Mac Mini Pro, Apple TV Pro, Apple Watch Pro and iMac Pro!
 
For sure. That was, more or less, the trajectory of the 2008 MacBook Air. And, the retina MacBook will follow that same path.

Ditto, the Watch. For me, though, Watch 1 has become indispensable. It's been on my wrist around 12 hours/day everyday since purchased last July. When I bought it I was skeptical and assumed I'd be returning it not finding any utility/value. But had to see for myself first-hand, actually wearing and using it, rather than relying on all of the internet noise. After two weeks there was no way it was going back.
That tells me you're an early adopter. You found utility and advantage where the majority of the market has not yet, but will with each new iteration.

Posters here say Cook killed Apple because Apple Watch v1 isn't selling to 100% of the market. I try to explain to people that 100% of the market doesn't happen on day 1, version 1... Apple isn't doomed. And I'm being told I drink kool aid because of it. Oh well.
 
$300,000,000,000 corporation....

Acquires a new business every three weeks...

Only about 20 products or services (without variations)...

Still can't do yearly updates on all the products, turn out new monitors in over 4 years, make their services run properly, or get innovative products flooding the market. NO--the iWatch was NOT an innovation, rather a migration from big to small and hand to wrist.

Cooking books, cooking some tall tales, spoiling the goods. He's quite a Cook. He's like a kid behind the wheel of the largest earth mover, but decides he wants to stop the engine and act like he is changing the world while napping on talk shows.
 
I think Apple will be just fine. That being said - I think that Tim Cook is much better on the business side of things than he is on the creative/product visionary side. Hopefully he surrounds/continues to surround himself with people that excel in that area. As much as I've respected Jony Ive's work in the past, I do not think he should be where the buck stops, so to speak when it comes to hardware AND software.
 
"We've got great innovation in the pipeline. New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones."

Sure Tim. Just not including the pending iPhone 7, right?
I must say that until recently I thought perhaps iPhone 7 might be one of the best upgrades to date. But alas, it's sounding like more of the same.

Minor incremental improvements, presented in Apple's grandiose hype filled way. Barnum and Bailey would be proud.
 
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How about you manage/Lead a Billion dollar company, make all these 'Necessity Changes' you listed. You seem very knowledgeable on implementing all these Gripe changes, being some of the Pro Products have not even reached maturity in less than a year of their release!!

How about explaining why Tim was hand appointed by Steve prior to his passing as the CEO? As if you can make executive decisions and fully understand the bevy of a Company and all its tangibles. It appears you have 'Technical' issues with various product support, I can provide you with an Apple Technical Support phone number to express your tirade of concerns.

Well, Steve "hand appointed" John Sculley, how did that work out? How about you explain why AAPL is such a dismal performer over the last 4 years? How about you explain why we should have confidence in Cook and his "pipeline BS" that he has been spewing over the last several years?
 
Innovation is only one side of the coin, Apple needs to incorporate its usefulness into everyday lives but that is also determined by several factors - affordability, availability and uniqueness.

Take for example the Apple watch with its multiple versions of a strap. Is it innovative? Probably for Apple, but it's been done by other companies. Interchangeable straps? I can go down to the local mall and buy a watch strap for $10. Nothing new. Battery life? 2 days and needs an iPhone to make it work. The battery on my Sony Z3 compact lasts 4 days with medium use and all i need to do is pull it out of my pocket. My point is, why pay a couple of hundred bucks or more for an Apple watch when it's an extension of your iPhone (rather than a standalone device like the iPad), knowing well it'll be superseded the next year? And do you really need more than one strap?

Is the Apple car innovative? Probably for what it can do internally, but all in all, it's taking you from Point A to Point B. Do we really need to buy an Apple car, which will probably sell for a premium price? Probably not because there are already hundreds of choices out there.
 
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That tells me you're an early adopter. You found utility and advantage where the majority of the market has not yet, but will with each new iteration.

Posters here say Cook killed Apple because Apple Watch v1 isn't selling to 100% of the market. I try to explain to people that 100% of the market doesn't happen on day 1, version 1... Apple isn't doomed. And I'm being told I drink kool aid because of it. Oh well.

Actually, I'm not an early adopter. Bought my MacBook Air in 2012. Didn't buy an iPhone until the third gen - 3Gs.

The way I discovered the Watch's utility and value was actually wearing it for two weeks, rather than relying on all the blather from the net from people who have never tried it, but still offered loads of opinion as if they had.

It's relatively easy evaluating a laptop in an Apple store and coming to a conclusion if it's something you'd use a lot.

Not so easy with a watch, especially as I haven't worn one in almost 10 years. My major concern was after a few weeks it would end up in a drawer, never to be seen again. Only way I could learn if that would happen was actually having to strap it on my wrist every morning and using it throughout the day for a couple weeks. I was extremely skeptical going in and assumed I'd be returning it, but delighted coming coming out. And still wrap it on my wrist every morning going on ten months now.
 
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What Tim Cook can't say is that it's going to be a bit of a dry spell for a bit because A) we may never see a product in our lifetimes that has the impact of the iPhone. And B) the climate isn't right for a big new platform. Let's dissect:

The smartphone is a computer, wallet, Internet that you always have with you. We talk about PCs, tablets, VR, AR, contact lenses, and everything else but the smartphone is the ultimate device. Everyone needs one a hundred times a day. Even in our best science fiction, we've never even imagined technology with this same impact. We wouldn't even use a holodeck or transporters as much (to use Star Trek parlance).

As for a massive new platform, the timing just isn't right. VR (and AR) are premature, despite massive potential. Miniaturization isn't there yet, the software isn't there yet, and social isn't there yet. It's currently a control for the camera in video games. It's in Palm Pilot stage. The closest thing to being ready is the car. The Apple thing to do though is wait until legislation and infrastructure is more ready for self-driving. They can do electric now but that would allow them to be easily disrupted when self-driving becomes a thing (soonish). It would be akin to setting up a cigarette factory in a place right before marijuana is legalized; your company wouldn't be optimizing for the future.

This all doesn't mean doom and gloom, but it does mean the end of the type of growth we have seen. There are a hundred things Apple can do across their lines to win over current and new users to their platforms. The biggest opportunity, however is software, services, and AI. The OS's could use updating, and (the most sci-if thing of all) Siri has a very long and interesting road ahead as the AI in every device, home, car as AI. And it's best to think of it as AI because natural language (not just spoken) is going to be huge.
 
Timothy is spewing bollocks, yet again. Hyperbole full-stop.

As an understandable result, the trust of the many (both investors and customers) is running on low.

So here is an ode, dedicated to Timothy (using Odis Redding's lyrics of (Sittin, On) The Dock of the Bay), that reflects on my opinion of his stewardship to date:

...
I'm sittin' on the dock of the bay
Watchin' the tide roll away, ooh
I'm just sittin' on the dock of the bay
Wastin' time

I left my home in Georgia
Headed for the Frisco Bay
Cuz I've had nothing to live for
And look like nothing's gonna come my way

So, I'm just gon' sit on the dock of the bay
Watchin' the tide roll away, ooh
I'm sittin' on the dock of the bay
Wastin' time

Looks like nothing's gonna change
Everything still remains the same
I can't do what ten people tell me to do
So I guess I'll remain the same, listen

...

I'm just gon' sit at the dock of a bay
Watchin' the tide roll away, ooh
Sittin' on the dock of the bay
Wastin' time
 
Heard this pipeline somewhere a couple of years ago but I didn't see anything come out of it.
Nothing... Watch, iPad Pro's, TV, Music, iCloud integration, 3D Touch, Significant IOS upgrades, New Mac Laptops, to name just a few. Nothing really?
 
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