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I think I saw a show once that said Samsung was like 20% GDP of South Korea. That's insane, they truly are too big to fail, the whole country depends on them.
Apple is too big to fail. The whole iPhone userbase depends on them.:D
 
Apple is too big to fail. The whole iPhone userbase depends on them.:D
What's really scary is Google, they pretty much own the whole internet. They need to break up that company bigtime and split YouTube away from them.
 
True. I completely agree. But I think you missed my point. You are leading to Samaung. But Samsung is not all about smartphone. Samsung has thousand other businesses to lean on. Apple has.. fill in the blanks.

Apple has services, accessories, Macs, etc.
 
The thing is Apple know they can’t compete on price so they push for higher margins and differentiation.

Nice try... Apple margins are within industry norms and lower than Samsung's.
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The problem is they have huge cash reserves so they aren't forced to innovate because Timmy can stroll around and think he's doing a good job. That's the problem when you have an accountant running a company, they look at the numbers, not what got them there.

That is so funny!



"That's the problem when you have an accountant running a company, they look at the numbers, not what got them there."

What got them there? You mean the outstanding products Apple develops and the tens/hundreds of million customers who repeatedly open their wallets and willingly give Apple their currency for those premium-priced outstanding products? Year after year after year?
 
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Services for?? iPhones?
Accessories, you mean dongles for?? iPhones?
Mac's.. the way it's is going, the future of Mac is very bleak!

Same thing with Samsung...

Screens? For phones.

Memory? For phones.

Everything they make is for phones.
 
Samsung fridge is sure to sell well if we have Depression! Samsung memory chips for mobile will do great too!!

Oh wait...never mind.

To some, iPhones represent combination of stuff that is vital to their happiness. Gaming. Movies. Navigation. Communication. Etc.

You have no idea how big Samsung are. They built the Burj Khalifa and the Petronas towers.

They even make tanks. Here's an educational video for you. You're welcome.

 
"Whether it grows one percent or two percent or five percent or six percent or 10 percent or shrinks one or two percent, it's a great market because it's just huge."

This makes no-sense. Sinking something does make it grow... I see, reverse decision making :)
 
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"Whether it grows one percent or two percent or five percent or six percent or 10 percent or shrinks one or two percent, it's a great market because it's just huge."

This makes no-sense. Sinking something does make it grow... I see, reverse decision making :)

It seems that he’s saying whether the total number of smartphones (not just iPhones) sold per year are slightly higher or slightly lower they are confident in their outlook for profit and share.
 
Smartphones need to die. How is it everyone and their mother has one? All these things have done is make people more lazy and stupid by and enabled so many car accidents.
Well don't use one especially while driving... In many places just picking one up while behind the wheel is illegal.

They are as Addictive as hard drugs if you let them dominate your life.
IT is up to you to not let them dominate your life.
You can start by not using Social Media. I don't. Never have and never will. You might be surprised at how much of your life you can get back if you do.
 
Nice try... Apple margins are within industry norms and lower than Samsung's.
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That is so funny!



"That's the problem when you have an accountant running a company, they look at the numbers, not what got them there."

What got them there? You mean the outstanding products Apple develops and the tens/hundreds of million customers who repeatedly open their wallets and willingly give Apple their currency for those premium-priced outstanding products? Year after year after year?

Thats what I am saying??? The products got them there, numbers don't mean **** if you don't keep on investing and sinking money into your product line, or creating the next product line.
 
Just because Samsung just confirmed that the S9 was a flop, doesn't mean the whole industry is bad.

Samsung apologists are desperate and that shows.

It's not only Apple demonstrating that, other brands are all growing well, Huawei, Xiaomi, Vivo/OnePlus, etc. in fact, they are demonstrating it even better.
Apple aren’t growing they are selling roughly the same number of iPhones but have increased the price so their revenue increased. Which is great. They are maintaining their market share in their established markets but haven’t been able to make any breakthrough in places like China and India and that’s why unit sales are flat.

What is happening in the rest of the market is that people in places like China and India are preferring to buy cheaper midrange android phones instead of buying a Samsung flagship. This doesn’t effect Apple because those people were not Apple customers.
 
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Nice try... Apple margins are within industry norms and lower than Samsung's.
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But Samsung sell far more phones at lower costs.
Apple sell very few products at far higher costs than its competitors.
So the margin they make in percentage terms brings in more money per unit sold on average than other manufacturers.

They are basically making more profit than everyone else for every product they sell.

You can even see this effect in there own product line like the iPad Pro vs iPad. There is no way the margin in the 400 dollar iPad is the same as the 800 dollar iPad Pro version. The extra features do not cost 400 dollars for them to add. So the margin made gets larger the more the product price rises.

Even look at the memory prices they charge for the iMac. To put 32gb in with Apple costs a lot more than if I did it myself. Yet they can buy memory in bulk and get the memory even cheaper than I can. So Apple take advantage of premium buyers by increasing the margin for the more expensive products.

Which is why I said it will be a blood bath for cheap phone producers because the margins at the low end are not the same as in the high end. Margins are on a curve basically. They are not uniform.
 
Well don't use one especially while driving... In many places just picking one up while behind the wheel is illegal.

They are as Addictive as hard drugs if you let them dominate your life.
IT is up to you to not let them dominate your life.
You can start by not using Social Media. I don't. Never have and never will. You might be surprised at how much of your life you can get back if you do.
Actually the addictive potential for smartphones has not yet been quantified but it is very likely costing a double digit percentage hit on productivity in some parts of modern economies, through impaired educational achievements, workplace distraction and the development of "gambler's brain", ie: short reward cycle, inability to complete longer term tasks, etc.

As such, if smartphones were considered as a drug, manufacturers could become targets for fines and punitive measures by governments much as big pharmaceutical companies have been.

But eh, who cares.
 
"Whether it grows one percent or two percent or five percent or six percent or 10 percent or shrinks one or two percent, it's a great market because it's just huge."

This makes no-sense. Sinking something does make it grow... I see, reverse decision making :)

How do you maintain growth in a shrinking market? Increase prices, and differentiate! We saw that last year with iPhone 8 and X. The X helped improve the average selling price of iPhones for 2017 ~ ($780?). Now, They're offering TWO new iPhones ($899 and $999) that are higher priced than the 2017 ASPs, you get the idea.

Tim cook knows how to play the numbers game.
 
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What does most popular mean? Does it mean people liked it better than the other models?
If it was the best selling, he would have said that?
 
And there is no real revolutionary technology in the new phones either. I was always excited to upgrade to the newest phone...not anymore. I’ll probably skip 2 generations before I upgrade again.

You do realize that the iPhone X is the _only_ smart phone to utilize 3-D facial mapping in terms of the biometric security? So if that is not revolutionary in terms of cameras, sensors and a dot projector that the projects over 30,000 infrared dots to authenticate and analyze your face, then I don’t know what is.
 
Interesting.. I think you are just talking about Samsung electronics, not Samsung!
Exactly. Samsung Techwin used to make military hardware like tanks and weapons. Samsung C&t and Heavy Industries made the Burj Khalifa, Petronas towers and are one of the largest shipbuilders in the world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Heavy_Industries . Samsung Financial have a range of trust funds and financial portfolios. Mobile is a miniscule part of Samsung overall; their company comprises of

Samsung Electronics
Samsung C&T Corporation
Samsung Heavy Industries
Samsung SDS
Samsung Life Insurance
Renault Samsung Motors
Samsung Fire & Marine Insurance
Cheil Worldwide
 
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How do you maintain growth in a shrinking market? Increase prices, and differentiate! We saw that last year with iPhone 8 and X. The X helped improve the average selling price of iPhones for 2017 ~ ($780?). Now, They're offering TWO new iPhones ($899 and $999) that are higher priced than the 2017 ASPs, you get the idea.

Tim cook knows how to play the numbers game.
And he knows that he has got the iPhone users by their.. you know ;)
 
True. I completely agree. But I think you missed my point. You are leading to Samaung. But Samsung is not all about smartphone. Samsung has thousand other businesses to lean on. Apple has.. fill in the blanks.
People stop buying Samsung TVs, dishwashers, cars, etc. people stop buying oppo phones. Doomsday for all.
 
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