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Cue the usual round of haters. They are exactly the "confused" who Tim was talking about.
It's not really a round of haters though, it's a round of hurt.

The keyboard issue is the perfect, most recent and visible example of how Apple hurts those who love them.

They beat us up with that GARBAGE keyboard for 4 years, and will continue to do so until hopefully they pull their head out. They beat us up with that GARBAGE CAN for 6 years (or 7, depending on when it actually ships).

Tim's just lashing out at the so-called "confused", but in reality they're the ones that refuse to say the emperor's clothes are nice when he's buck naked.

We want Apple products, they're awesome when done right (A-series chips, Apple Watch, Airpods).

So Tim's talking out of his rear here. They say they want to make the best products and that's fine. Innovation can lead to mistakes. But COME ON. Years, mate, YEARS. Years and a cacophony of complainers and media coverage and platform abandoners to acknowledge their mistakes.

Hopefully, the 16" MBP and the new Mac Pro is the ship turning around (sort of). But I'm not holding my breath (for too long).
 
What is it people don’t understand? Apple is not a ‘cookie cutter’ company. I think they're a tech company that is not necessarily about bringing completely ‘different’ technology we’ve never seen, but they refine some pre-existing technology in such a way that makes the user experience simple and fluid. The Apple Watch with its continuation of health features and AirPods are textbook examples of this.
 
im a bit lost lads. was Ive really that bad ? Seems like every other forum I stumble upon has a user chiming in on how bad Ive was ( or is ? )

what is it that he did that has everyone with so much spite towards him ?

sorry for the N00b-ish question.
 
Tim Cook is full of nonsense. If “Think Different” were still embedded at Apple very deeply, then why did Apple ‘think same’ by copying Microsoft and Google by getting rid of skeuomorphic design and replacing it with Microsoft-pioneered flat design?
 
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Consumers don’t care about the notch. It has some of those advanced technology in terms of biometric security, no one spends _any_ time of their day to complain about the notch, at all. (Well, except for the extreme minority on sites like this....)

Apparently you forgot to ask this consumer. I know many consumers, myself included, who hate the notch and attribute it to lazy Ive design.
 
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I finally created an account to post this. For those of us who remember Apple as far back as the late 90s, we see how the company has evolved/devolved. Hardware would be released "when ready" and apart from hard drive failures, the products worked great. OS releases would come out when they were ready and not on a forced yearly release schedule because they want to do so. Jobs truly had the mentality of releasing a product as if it would never have support in the field, meaning it had to be be ready to go from launch, and work from launch. With Cook, he seems to be in it for the "new and now" crowd, releasing whatever and "we'll just patch it later" type mentality.

Though with Ive gone, either by his own doing or being pushed out, hopefully the need to make everything paper thin will stop and devices can have some batter battery life, more powerful components with good cooling, and devices that wont bend 15 degrees because you held it wrong.

I look back at say OSX 10.4 Tiger, and remember how stable and powerful that OS was at the time. Tiger with a G5 and Final Cut 2 was a machine worth having for video work. Nothing Intel or AMD had could compare. The power and the stability of the products were truly "think different".
 
As an Apple customer for many years, I feel deeply uncomfortable about my relationship with them. On the one hand, they make great products and offer world-class services.

On the other, they are utterly reprehensible. China. The tax issue. Lobbying for cheaper tariffs. The fake platitudes and virtue signalling.

I guess most companies are this way now.
It sounds like you want Apple to pay the maximum (more than legal) amount of money they can for taxes and produce artificially expensive products and refuse to do business with any country that they disagree with (last time I checked that would be every country including the U.S.). How do you think that will shake out with customers? Are you willing to pay 25%-50% more for products that are already premium priced?

I've been an Apple customer since the late 70s so I'm used the to "Apple Tax" and even willing to pay a little more if they can truly give back to the environment, underserved communities, future generations, etc. but that involves a major restructuring in corporate ethos and to me, Apple is already way ahead of most other companies on those fronts.
 
It's not really a round of haters though, it's a round of hurt.

The keyboard issue is the perfect, most recent and visible example of how Apple hurts those who love them.

They beat us up with that GARBAGE keyboard for 4 years, and will continue to do so until hopefully they pull their head out. They beat us up with that GARBAGE CAN for 6 years (or 7, depending on when it actually ships).

Tim's just lashing out at the so-called "confused", but in reality they're the ones that refuse to say the emperor's clothes are nice when he's buck naked.

We want Apple products, they're awesome when done right (A-series chips, Apple Watch, Airpods).

So Tim's talking out of his rear here. They say they want to make the best products and that's fine. Innovation can lead to mistakes. But COME ON. Years, mate, YEARS. Years and a cacophony of complainers and media coverage and platform abandoners to acknowledge their mistakes.

Hopefully, the 16" MBP and the new Mac Pro is the ship turning around (sort of). But I'm not holding my breath (for too long).

The biggest comeback decision apple has ever done - Tim has ever done was let that ego-maniac jonny five go. He was left un-checked after jobs passing and fkd everything up starting with that atrocious ios7 design of his. Most of all these bone-headed designs were his doing along with apple's marketing team. Something happened for the better at apple because you have the iPhone 11, pencil 2 that didn't hang out like a pencil dick at the end of an ipad, now this 16-inch mbp which is actually something that is very apple like again.

Starting with series 4 was the best watch because having owned several android/samsung watches I have actually jumped over to the series 4 recently (due to price drop) and I have to say it is the best watch device on this planet. I am 100% satisfied with this watch and its design and actually extremely happy with an apple product for the 1st time in a very long time.

Pricing needs to be in check, however. Tim has done a good job but has gotten extremely greedy.
 
Yeah, like the notch. That's thinking different for sure.:rolleyes: With Ive gone, maybe AAPL's creative engineers will now be unfettered to think "better different."

surprised you didn’t also mention removing floppy discs, CD-ROM drives, flash, and headphone jacks.
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Was releasing a video streaming service with almost zero content "Thinking Different"? If so, you did it!

theres more to watch on AppleTV+ than on 99% of the crap channels on Hulu et al.

the fact that you have no interest in any of it doesn’t mean there is “almost zero content.”
 
Tim Cook is perhaps the best CEO in the world, despite the haters.

He’s done a finessing the relationship with China, the President, and Apple’s customers. Not easy and could have been messed up very easily.

Also, Apple doesn’t right all wrongs. They can’t and aren’t even required to do so. Apple has a business relationship with China and works with many different companies abroad for assembly and supply chain needs.

Manufacturing technology requires these relationships and Tim Cook has done a fantastic job keeping all parties working toward the task at hand versus bickering.
 
Apparently you forgot to ask this consumer. I know many consumers, myself included, who hate the notch and attribute it to lazy Ive design.
Your singular opinion literally doesn’t matter. At this scale, consumers speak collectively and they certainly did during iPhone X year.

$166,000,000,000 in iPhone revenue in 12 months was the pinnacle of iPhone performance. Do you know how insane that is? That’s more revenue than Netflix does in 10 years and more than all of Disney does in 3 years. The iPhone X was a success. Period.

Get over it.
 
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As an Apple customer for many years, I feel deeply uncomfortable about my relationship with them. On the one hand, they make great products and offer world-class services.

On the other, they are utterly reprehensible. China. The tax issue. Lobbying for cheaper tariffs. The fake platitudes and virtue signalling.

I guess most companies are this way now.
You forgot the lobbying against a consumer's right to repair their own devices, software planned obsolescence with older Macs like the 5,1 Mac Pro...
 



Apple CEO Tim Cook this afternoon attended the Salesforce Dreamforce 2019 event, where he sat down with Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff to discuss how Apple and Salesforce "ignite productivity" on mobile devices.

During the talk, Cook did share some of the ways that Apple and Salesforce work together, but he also covered many of his favorite talking points on Apple's values, environmental efforts, privacy focus, and his memories of Steve Jobs.

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On innovation, Cook said that many people confuse with innovation change, and Apple's focus on innovation is its secret.Cook said that Apple's goal is to make the best products and enrich people's lives. "If we can't do both of those, we pass and go to the next thing," said Cook, explaining that Apple works on just a few things, but tries to do those well.Cook then asked who in the audience owns an iPhone, and made a joke: "If you own an Android," he said, "We recycle those at the Apple Store."

The discussion turned to Steve Jobs, as Jobs unveiled multiple products at the venue where the Dreamforce event is taking place. "I can feel him and his presence whenever I come here," said Cook. "A lot of memories here."Cook went on to discuss Apple's values, emphasizing the company's privacy efforts, DACA advocacy, use of 100 percent renewable energy, efforts to get its suppliers to also use renewable energy, and an "audacious goal" of using only recyclable materials. "We stretch ourselves well beyond what we're currently able do to and we want to leave the world better than we found it," said Cook. "That's very important to us.Cook said that Apple wants to be the "ripple in the pond" when it comes to taking on goals like improving the environment and advocating for equality and human rights. "We don't want to market, we want to do," he said. "We want to make a difference." He went on to say that Apple doesn't want other companies to copy Apple products, but Apple does want people to "copy us this way."

He also explained that the well-known "Think Different" slogan is still a major part of Apple's culture.Cook also unveiled his own personal purpose and what he believes people should strive for.Cook's full discussion with Mark Benioff is available on the Salesforce website with additional insight into Apple's work with Salesforce, its values, and more.

Article Link: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Think Different' Still Embedded at Apple 'Very Deeply'
Last time I used it maybe a year ago the Salesforce app was garbage on iOS. Anything change?
 
In the past few years, everyone knows Apple think different in a bad way and that’s why there are many bad product designs and took an enormous amount of time for Tim Cook to figure out what went wrong and fix it.
 
Better yet...

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Yeah that just straight-up sucks and always did. I suspect Apple knew this from day zero and always planned a wireless charging solution when the next iPad hardware cycle came around. But yes I totally agree, and every time I plug my v1.0 Apple Pencil into my iPad Pro 10.5, something inside me dies a little o_O
 
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