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Me too. Sick and tired of Lsgtz and their agenda shoved in our faces every day. Go do your thing in private like the rest of us.

If you “do your thing” in private, does than mean that you pretend not to have any relationship with your husband or wife in public? Or do you flaunt his or her existence like those icky “Lsgtz” folks do with their partners?
 
What is the difference between L and G?

Let me guess... it somehow has something to do with 2 genders?

Political Correctness doesn’t know what it wants.
 
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I just wish that CEO’s wouldn’t speak on behalf of the entire company their political opinions. This goes for any company, be it Apple or Chick-fil-A or Amazon or Walmart or anyone really. Any political things they say should be made clear that this is their personal opinion and they are not speaking on behalf everyone in their entire company.
 
Mirroring what GrumpyMom said, the biggest benefit to the community is being a positive role model for LGBTQ youth. As a gay man in my late 30s, growing up in the 80s and 90s there were very few (if any) positive gay role models, with most depictions of gay people in the media being very stereotypical. I honestly believed as a teenager that my career opportunities would be very limited if I didn't remain deep in the closet.
The world today is very different for gay folks, although you're right about the 80's and 90's.

I don't have any issue with what Tim Cook is doing, but there is an idea in popular culture that gay people, probably less than 3% of the country, are these helpless people being dragged out in the street and beaten, abused and treated terribly. This isn't 1983 and this isn't Somalia. My opinion is the narrative of mistreated and victimized gays in the US today is just not accurate (sort of the like the idea that anyone criticizing the gay lobby is a "homophobe"). Just look at pop culture.

Anyway, I know there will be replies (with venom!) telling me just how victimized gay people will be, and I think that's a perfect example of the sainthood of victimhood. LOOK AT ME, I. AM. A. VICTIM!!!!
 
Why assume I have an issue?... I’m just trying to sort out the difference between L and G and how it fits with the whole gender mosh pit thing going on.
I've always wondered this too. Is there a difference? Maybe you can knock a few letters off of the acronym? I saw "I" at the end after "Q" the other day and I had no idea what it was. Found out it's "intersex."

By the way, I know a lot of gay folks who absolutely do not want to be associated with Trans issues.
 
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Why assume I have an issue?... I’m just trying to sort out the difference between L and G and how it fits with the whole gender mosh pit thing going on.
I just assumed you had an issue from your complaint about political correctness, it’s an easy connection.

I personally don’t see the confusion as a lesbian is a gay female so it’s pretty easy to decipher I would have thought.
 
What is the difference between L and G?

Let me guess... it somehow has something to do with 2 genders?

Political Correctness doesn’t know what it wants.

L - Lesbian (Women who are attracted to Women - specifically)
G - Gay (Men who are attracted to Men - but can also mean just anyone who is only attracted to the same gender)
B - Bisexual (Men/Women who are attracted to both opposite sexes)
T - Transexual (Someone whose gender identity is different to that they were born appearing as)
Q - Queer (Is a general term for people who don't define themselves within the other four, or some use it as an umbrella term)

There are sub categories within the above.

There is a lot of variation between people. Not everyone likes labelling and some people find their experience is different to others.

Also important:

Pansexual - This is similar to Bisexual, but basically means attracted to everyone, regardless of gender identity.

Asexual - Describes people who do not have any sexual attraction to anyone.

Transgender People - The same as Transexual.

Cisgender People - The opposite to being a Transgender person is being Cisgender - that your gender identity matches the gender they were born with.
 
L - Lesbian (Women who are attracted to Women - specifically)
G - Gay (Men who are attracted to Men - but can also mean just anyone who is only attracted to the same gender)
B - Bisexual (Men/Women who are attracted to both opposite sexes)
T - Transexual (Someone whose gender identity is different to that they were born appearing as)
Q - Queer (Is a general term for people who don't define themselves within the other four, or some use it as an umbrella term)

There are sub categories within the above.

There is a lot of variation between people. Not everyone likes labelling and some people find their experience is different to others.

Also important:

Pansexual - This is similar to Bisexual, but basically means attracted to everyone, regardless of gender identity.

Asexual - Describes people who do not have any sexual attraction to anyone.

Transgender People - The same as Transexual.

Cisgender People - The opposite to being a Transgender person is being Cisgender - that your gender identity matches the gender they were born with.
You left out "I," for intersex. I think there is another one also.
 
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Anyway, I know there will be replies (with venom!) telling me just how victimized gay people will be, and I think that's a perfect example of the sainthood of victimhood. LOOK AT ME, I. AM. A. VICTIM!!!!

LGBTQ people have never had it better, but there is still a long way to go.

Just because you don't see it does not mean it is not happening.

Young people still get kicked out of home for being Gay. The rate of suicide for LGBTQ people is significantly higher than the rest of the population. Many Gay couples do not feel safe walking hand in hand or appearing as a couple in public.

I personally can't ever come out to certain members of my family if I ever want to talk to them again. I spent a good 5 years of my own life stuck in a loop of self hatred and self loathing that almost ended in me ending my life. I'm sorry to shatter your limited understanding of this particular issue but there are plenty of people who have similar or far worse experiences.

And yes, there are plenty of LGBTQ people who are doing well in todays world.

If your argument is that other people have it worse, yes they do. But that does not deny the experiences of many.
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You left out "I," for intersex. I think there is another one also.

The most commonly used acronym is still LGBTQ+ - with the plus to include all the other communities.
 
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I honestly believed as a teenager that my career opportunities would be very limited if I didn't remain deep in the closet.

For a lot of us this is still the reality. 42, big family and lifelong friends who are all hateful bigots, & medium-sized business owner in engineering & domestic mfg services that depends on professional relationships with more of the same. The consequences of my coming out would be total, & extend out to put my employees livelihoods in jeopardy.

What I didn’t realize when I was younger and more optimistic about spending your life surrounded by people who hate you is that hatred is inevitably mutual, once you realize that conforming to awful peoples worst bs for their sake cost you your youth. When my own Grandmother died last year, the person who was closest to me in the world, I felt absolutely nothing and just got on with my day.

If you’re out, be glad you’re not drowning in the bottomless well of resentment, & looking forward to the further collapse of society & coming civil war lol
 
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For a lot of us this is still the reality. 42, big family and lifelong friends who are all hateful bigots, & medium-sized business owner in engineering & domestic mfg services that depends on professional relationships with more of the same. The consequences of my coming out would be total, & extend out to put my employees livelihoods in jeopardy.

What I didn’t realize when I was younger and more optimistic about spending your life surrounded by people who hate you is that hatred is inevitably mutual, once you realize that conforming to awful peoples worst bs for their sake cost you your youth. When my own Grandmother died last year, the person who was closest to me in the world, I felt absolutely nothing and just got on with my day.

If you’re out, be glad you’re not drowning in the bottomless well of resentment, & looking forward to the further collapse of society & coming civil war lol

The more I hear stories like this, the more I feel like coming out, facing the backlash.. and finding new people to spend life with. Family is the hardest for me, because they mean a lot. I'm lucky to have friends who are on the majority are accepting.
 
I just wish that CEO’s wouldn’t speak on behalf of the entire company their political opinions. This goes for any company, be it Apple or Chick-fil-A or Amazon or Walmart or anyone really. Any political things they say should be made clear that this is their personal opinion and they are not speaking on behalf everyone in their entire company.

It sounds like you have an issue with Mr. Cook's equal rights advocacy; which is what his message is about. Why?

If that angers you so much, please, vote with your wallet and purchase products from Lenovo or Sanyo. You won't be missed.
 
L - Lesbian (Women who are attracted to Women - specifically)
G - Gay (Men who are attracted to Men - but can also mean just anyone who is only attracted to the same gender)
B - Bisexual (Men/Women who are attracted to both opposite sexes)
T - Transexual (Someone whose gender identity is different to that they were born appearing as)
Q - Queer (Is a general term for people who don't define themselves within the other four, or some use it as an umbrella term)

There are sub categories within the above.

There is a lot of variation between people. Not everyone likes labelling and some people find their experience is different to others.

Also important:

Pansexual - This is similar to Bisexual, but basically means attracted to everyone, regardless of gender identity.

Asexual - Describes people who do not have any sexual attraction to anyone.

Transgender People - The same as Transexual.

Cisgender People - The opposite to being a Transgender person is being Cisgender - that your gender identity matches the gender they were born with.

There's ALWAYS a "long way" to go. Always. The way never gets shorter, no matter how good it's going. Never "Almost there." It never stops.

It used to be "just respect out rights." Live and let live. Fine, great, fair.

Now it's "you must not only respect us, you must ACCEPT and agree with out lifestyle. If you don't, you're a homophobic monster."

The goalposts are always moving back.

How do you think we got controversies about trans bathrooms?

It. Will. Never. Stop.

And THAT is the problem conservatives have. It's not "hate." It's the ever moving goalposts.

God forbid you have a good faith objection to gay marriage. Now it's just "bake the cake, bigot."

And why does the gay lobby seems to exclusively go after Christians? How about the homophobia in the Muslim community? How about the gays executed and tossed off of buildings in Saudi Arabia? Don't you think the energy spent against "intolerance" is more productive directed towards those communities?

Sure it is. The problem, of course, is that Muslims are another victim group and it would be too uncomfortable attacking them. So go after the Christians and the Christian bakers. Easy to attack them. Brave? Lol. Sure.
 
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Me too. Sick and tired of Lsgtz and their agenda shoved in our faces every day. Go do your thing in private like the rest of us.

So you've never shown a single bit of Public affection towards your partner loved one?

because that's the problem

if a straight couple walking down the street holding hands, or gives eachother a brief kiss. Nobody is saying "put it away!" or "go do your thing in private!"

but if a gay couple does it, They get told that by many. And in some places, even risk life and safety.

The "gay agenda" is "equality of all people regardless of sexuality, gender"

unless you don't believe in equality.
 
For a lot of us this is still the reality. 42, big family and lifelong friends who are all hateful bigots, & medium-sized business owner in engineering & domestic mfg services that depends on professional relationships with more of the same. The consequences of my coming out would be total, & extend out to put my employees livelihoods in jeopardy.

What I didn’t realize when I was younger and more optimistic about spending your life surrounded by people who hate you is that hatred is inevitably mutual, once you realize that conforming to awful peoples worst bs for their sake cost you your youth. When my own Grandmother died last year, the person who was closest to me in the world, I felt absolutely nothing and just got on with my day.

If you’re out, be glad you’re not drowning in the bottomless well of resentment, & looking forward to the further collapse of society & coming civil war lol

I feel terrible for you if this is truly your current situation. You might be surprised, I had major backlash from my mother but major support from nearly everyone else which helped my mother. I think she ended up going to counseling and while things are still not what they were before, they have certainly improved. As for work, I'm not a business owner but have been employed at the same place for nearly 16 years with most of the same people. I am fortunate to have been well received while working with people similar to what you describe, or at least they seem to be that way from the outside, but on the inside its a different story. I hope you find peace soon.
 
It sounds like you have an issue with Mr. Cook's equal rights advocacy; which is what his message is about. Why?

If that angers you so much, please, vote with your wallet and purchase products from Lenovo or Sanyo. You won't be missed.

Your assumption of me is wrong. For one thing, I am for equal rights for anybody who believes/practices something that does not personally harm others or their personal freedoms. Gay marriage seems to fit in that box rather nicely. I’m just against people who choose to speak on behalf of other people when those people are not in 100% solidarity with what is being said; “sticking words in my mouth” is a good phrase to describe it (which, by the way, is what you are incorrectly doing to me). I know Apple employees who are anti-gay and Chick-fil-A employees who are pro-choice. I currently work at Amazon and opinions are as diverse as is possible.

Citysnaps, be wary of hate and its ability to blind one from the truth.
 
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