Apple CEO Tim Cook to Receive 'Champion Award' for His Ongoing Commitment to LGBTQ Rights

[oldmacs]

There's ALWAYS a "long way" to go. Always. The way never gets shorter, no matter how good it's going. Never "Almost there." It never stops.

It used to be "just respect out rights." Live and let live. Fine, great, fair.

So you think equality is pretending we don’t exist, because others have chosen to believe in a religion that doesn’t accept us?

When a community starts from well behind, its not like society is going to do a complete 360 degree turn around. Gaining equality takes time, it is a gradual process of small changes, and yes the goals change. It’s not exactly like the goal posts in the 50s or 60s could be full equality, when being gay was a criminal act.

Now it's "you must not only respect us, you must ACCEPT and agree with out lifestyle. If you don't, you're a homophobic monster."

What exactly is “our lifestyle”?

And why does the gay lobby seems to exclusively go after Christians? How about the homophobia in the Muslim community? How about the gays executed and tossed off of buildings in Saudi Arabia? Don't you think the energy spent against "intolerance" is more productive directed towards those communities?

Sure it is. The problem, of course, is that Muslims are another victim group and it would be too uncomfortable attacking them. So go after the Christians and the Christian bakers. Easy to attack them. Brave? Lol. Sure.

Maybe because Christianity is far more dominant in the western world and thus has a greater impact on the community and everyday lives of those people?


Maybe it’s the whole choice to be religious trumps people’s innate nature.

The whole Christain baker thing might be overblown pettiness, but if you substituted in race or sex, and tried to use religion to deny service, it would be a different story.

 

[Brien]

The world today is very different for gay folks, although you're right about the 80's and 90's.

I don't have any issue with what Tim Cook is doing, but there is an idea in popular culture that gay people, probably less than 3% of the country, are these helpless people being dragged out in the street and beaten, abused and treated terribly. This isn't 1983 and this isn't Somalia. My opinion is the narrative of mistreated and victimized gays in the US today is just not accurate (sort of the like the idea that anyone criticizing the gay lobby is a "homophobe"). Just look at pop culture.

Anyway, I know there will be replies (with venom!) telling me just how victimized gay people will be, and I think that's a perfect example of the sainthood of victimhood. LOOK AT ME, I. AM. A. VICTIM!!!!

I’m straight and I get harassed if I go outside wearing a pink or purple shirt... and I live in a pretty liberal place. Pretty sure we have a ways to go.

 

[Glockworkorange]

I’m straight and I get harassed if I go outside wearing a pink or purple shirt... and I live in a pretty liberal place. Pretty sure we have a ways to go.

Pretty sure you’re just overly sensitive or just a poor dresser (or maybe you look funny).

I don’t believe you walk outside in a pink shirt and are harassed by total strangers because you look "gay."
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So you think equality is pretending we don’t exist, because others have chosen to believe in a religion that doesn’t accept us?

When a community starts from well behind, its not like society is going to do a complete 360 degree turn around. Gaining equality takes time, it is a gradual process of small changes, and yes the goals change. It’s not exactly like the goal posts in the 50s or 60s could be full equality, when being gay was a criminal act.




What exactly is “our lifestyle”?





Maybe because Christianity is far more dominant in the western world and thus has a greater impact on the community and everyday lives of those people?


Maybe it’s the whole choice to be religious trumps people’s innate nature.

The whole Christain baker thing might be overblown pettiness, but if you substituted in race or sex, and tried to use religion to deny service, it would be a different story.

Your "lifestyle" is having sex with other men.

There’s are hundreds of thousands of people who have good faith religious objections to a practice subscribed to by less than 3% of the population.

 

[oldmacs]

our "lifestyle" is having sex with other men.

There’s are hundreds of thousands of people who have good faith religious objections to a practice subscribed to by less than 3% of the population.

So you think one day I woke up (as a strict catholic) and said “I know I will screw my life over and make things way more difficult by making a choice to be gay”.

I prayed and prayed and prayed to be straight. Every day. I blamed myself for every bad thing that happened to my family because it was god punishing me, until after 5 or so years it became too much.

Being gay IS NOT A LIFESTYLE. A lifestyle infers a choice in how to live. Ones sexual orientation is an innate part of being that can not be changed. And no bisexuals don’t change their orientation, they sometimes have preferences to who they are attracted to.

You know what is a choice? Religion.

Based on your argument I could make my own religion and decide I hate Mexicans (as an example) and apparently that would be ok, because that’s what my religion says.

When did you wake up and decide the straight lifestyle?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Your "lifestyle" is having sex with other men.

There’s are hundreds of thousands of people who have good faith religious objections to a practice subscribed to by less than 3% of the population.

It really annoys me when I see people refer to homosexuality as a ‘lifestyle’, what does that even mean? I’ve never thought of myself living a straight lifestyle as it’s natural to me and I didn’t have a choice what sexual orientation I was born with. Some people just need a decent education.

 

[Djentleman]

Pretty sure you’re just overly sensitive or just a poor dresser (or maybe you look funny).

I don’t believe you walk outside in a pink shirt and are harassed by total strangers because you look "gay."
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Your "lifestyle" is having sex with other men.

There’s are hundreds of thousands of people who have good faith religious objections to a practice subscribed to by less than 3% of the population.

Apparently 9 million people aren’t worth the trouble for changing anything. And that’s the US alone. We’re closer to about 9-11% worldwide. That’s a substantial number of people.

I can guarantee you, having a sole attraction to someone isn’t a “lifestyle”. It’s the exact same thing you and every other person ignorant on the subject experience.

Unless you refer to all matters of intimacy, regardless of sexual orientation, as a “lifestyle”, then fair enough. Otherwise you’re just throwing out an a ignorant opinion.

 

[cbaca51]

I think Tim is a great man.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Pretty sure you’re just overly sensitive or just a poor dresser (or maybe you look funny).

I don’t believe you walk outside in a pink shirt and are harassed by total strangers because you look "gay."
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Your "lifestyle" is having sex with other men.

There’s are hundreds of thousands of people who have good faith religious objections to a practice subscribed to by less than 3% of the population.

Lots of great examples of how you contradict yourself. Someone told you they are straight and suffer harassment based on stereotypes. Without any knowledge whatsoever, you suggest they are overly-sensitive, a poor dresser, and basically accuse them of lying. Heck, you basically did in this post what you - with no knowledge - say doesn’t happen to this person.

Immediately following that, you talk about how hundreds of people object to their “lifestyle” - which you put in quotes for extra emphasis. And you call those objections good faith. Lots of people object without what you call good faith, and if you think everyone is civil and not rude, hate-mongering or in some cases evil, then that is pure ignorance of the truth.