You are gonna pay for it either way. With SOC's and onboard storage that decision has been made anyhow, you'll need rough it a couple extra days/weeks/months till you have the cash on hand if you are of the mindset that you need longevity.The two years remark for in context of another member's response I was replying to.
Yes, that is precisely my point. It is possible I do not have 200-400 Dollars extra right now to purchase the configuration that lasts me 5-8 years, but I could need a computer right away. So I am going to have to settle on the lower configuration or do something and get the configuration I would need in a little while.
Actually there doesn't need to be an option for both, you just want there to be an option for both.Yes, true that. But, again, that is something that seems like a workaround.. I can buy the 16 GB RAM/ 512 GB SSD computer right now, but I do not need it right now. I would have to block my money in a higher configuration today because I cannot upgrade it later. Or, I will but the lower config today and ride it out till I can. That is my point. The lack of option. People will buy what they need today and there will be people that will play the future-proofing game. There needs to be an option available to both.
Thats a cost issue, not an environmental issue.Another Tim Cook publicity stunt. If you care sooo much about climate change, stop making disposable products.
Start making upgradable computers again. Stop making laptops that if a single thing fails cannot be repaired cause you need to replace the entire logic board.
Meanwhile MagSafe for iPhone uses 47% more energy to charge a phone and that is the solution they're pushing people to buy – meanwhile they remove the more energy-efficient wall chargers from the boxes claiming it's to "be greener." Right. Cool.
And while I agree its a complete PITA if something does go wrong, there is a lower failure rate when items are soldered together than held in with various clips and connectors unless there is something initially wrong with some the components e.g. bad batch of ram, bad caps etc.
You need to stop bringing customer cost into the argument - its got absolutely nothing to do with the environmental issues whatsoever.We need to have a balance somewhere. The 2016 notebook lineup needed an entire top case replacement just to replace any component from Touch Bar to keyboard to battery, and maybe even trackpad, if I recall correctly. How is that environment-friendly for the planet and cost-effective for the consumer?
We need to have a balance somewhere. The 2016 notebook lineup needed an entire top case replacement just to replace any component from Touch Bar to keyboard to battery, and maybe even trackpad, if I recall correctly. How is that environment-friendly for the planet and cost-effective for the consumer?
Good and interesting discussion, there is no right and solid answer to these issues.You need to stop bringing customer cost into the argument - its got absolutely nothing to do with the environmental issues whatsoever.
In the case that those components do need to be replaced though, Apple will recycle/re-purpose the old parts. They have the equipment and facilities to do so while its being repaired.
It's potentially more damaging to the environment to have thousands of computer components thrown into landfill by DIY'ers after replacing various bits and bobs rather than being stripped by manufacturers at the of repair.
Reliability due to locking things down helps cut down the need to repair, replace or recycle. Simplifying the design to fewer components also helps - it might sound trivial, but there was 40 odd screws on the older keyboards each one made of stainless steel.
By not using screws on a couple million units could add up to a lot more green than making it serviceable for those 1/10000 folk who need to have some major work done on theirs.
Good and interesting discussion, there is no right and solid answer to these issues.
Good and interesting discussion, there is no right and solid answer to these issues.
A megarich CEO who is already living a humble life style and is going to give away his money is...Well there is one right and solid answer and that’s “I don’t need some mega rich CEO telling me I should live a more humble life style to save the planet when his company is trashing said planet and is using slave labor.”
Your claim that items that are not soldered are more prone to failure is false. Furthermore, it is more expensive to repair computers with all soldered components, they are NOT upgradable which shorten their usable lives, and if a single component fails you almost need to trash the computer since repairing it will cost close to buying a new one.Thats a cost issue, not an environmental issue.
Virtually everything on the board is recyclable and a massive amount of additional material is used if everything is replaceable.
And while I agree its a complete PITA if something does go wrong, there is a lower failure rate when items are soldered together than held in with various clips and connectors unless there is something initially wrong with some the components e.g. bad batch of ram, bad caps etc.
That’s true to some extent but you also have to remember that profit is what lifted billions out of poverty and made everyone’s lives better. Without profit, you essentially have forced equality like socialism which has benefited no one... except the leaders.The fact of the matter is that those who wish to make a profit will always exploit something or someone.
"Seems to you". Have you seen the physical size of a stick of ram and socket vs SOC, that alone should tell you that once it continues to work as intended - less landfill and less carbon footprint during manufacture. The size of a modern non-upgradeable logic board is far smaller than a socketed one with less individual parts.Your claim that items that are not soldered are more prone to failure is false. Furthermore, it is more expensive to repair computers with all soldered components, they are NOT upgradable which shorten their usable lives, and if a single component fails you almost need to trash the computer since repairing it will cost close to buying a new one.
Given the pros and the cons, having not soldered components and upgradable computers seems much better both for consumers and for the environment. Apple just does not do it because of financial reasons (customers will not be upgrading as often) and pure greed.
Your response does not make sense whatsoever."Seems to you". Have you seen the physical size of a stick of ram and socket vs SOC, that alone should tell you that once it continues to work as intended - less landfill and less carbon footprint during manufacture. The size of a modern non-upgradeable logic board is far smaller than a socketed one with less individual parts.
Take for example. the biggest intermittent point of failure in all my older Macs was bad or unseated socketed ram. I haven't even come across that issue with the soldered stuff.
Guess what happened to all my bad or "upgraded" components through the years? .. It sits in a box , I try to sell it and if I don't, after a while I get sick of looking at it and it goes in the garbage during a spring clean. Non recycled chunks of silicon, copper and gold. I've done the same with old computers (bad me).