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I'd like to say I wouldn't trust Tim as far as I could throw him but based on the size of him and how well I did on a caber toss that would leave too much room for trust.
 
Looking at the new "Spaceship" headquarters, and all the related new facilities beyond that, I have to wonder what everyone is doing? 2016 was a phone bump, iPad bump, a "new" MBP and EarPods. But also a drop of monitors, routers/Time Machine. I do not understand what can be consuming so many resources when no real innovation is being produced (that I see anyway). And this does not include the international offices, labs and personnel.
 
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fantastic new products seems to be code for thinner or/with new propriety standard applied, feels like snake oil at this point, given the last year I am not optimistic especially after their vision for what a new "Mac Pro" should look like and Jonny Ive's eternal quest for thinness at cost of functionality

Sadly, yeah. That's the only way some people can feel good, having a brief bit of power that's otherwise lacking in their lives.
lol imagine thinking posting on a forum is power, a very low standard
 
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For the new magical 2017 Mac Pro I'm guessing (if Tim doesn't axe it altogether, because, who needs a computer):

•About the diameter of a Toilet roll. Their thinnest yet!
•16GB Ram Max.
•Integrated GPU (no room for dGPUs)
•Single quad core 2.93Ghz CPU, Turbo to 4Ghz*
•Soldered components and glued shut, so iFixit gives it a repair/upgrade score 1/10.
•One USB-C port
•Rose colour option
•Oleophobic coating and Sapphire covered power button.

20% more expensive (excluding 25% Brexit price hike) than the 2013 model.


*Throttled back down after 10 seconds due to overheating/inadequate cooling design
I always wondered about that single fan at the top as apposed to the bottom and other locations.
 
Far to late Timmy. I made the transition to PC a month ago. Windows 10 runs just fine thank you and my PC is far more powerful and its upgradable to boot. As an Apple fan it grieves my heart to see the direction they are going. I've been saying for awhile that Apple was in danger of pricing itself out of existence. People want to feel they are getting the best bargain/product for their money. Apple just wants your money. Putting sub par parts into a shiny display so thin it throttles your speed is not innovation. Removing all paths to future upgrades is just greed. At least for now I still enjoy my iPad and iPhone.

I'm with ya. Well said. I still am not quite brave enough to make the leap, but I have been looking more at windows laptops when I go to best buy, etc. Maybe I'll start off with an inexpensive windows 10 laptop and see if I can live with it before making the all out leap?
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Sadly, yeah. That's the only way some people can feel good, having a brief bit of power that's otherwise lacking in their lives.

Huh? Power? It's actually feeling powerless to get the kind of functionally great computers that apple used to make that is getting us so riled up.

By the way, as far as you and the rest who are complaining about all the complaining - do you not see the irony in that?
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For the new magical 2017 Mac Pro I'm guessing (if Tim doesn't axe it altogether, because, who needs a computer):

•About the diameter of a Toilet roll. Their thinnest yet!
•16GB Ram Max.
•Integrated GPU (no room for dGPUs)
•Single quad core 2.93Ghz CPU, Turbo to 4Ghz*
•Soldered components and glued shut, so iFixit gives it a repair/upgrade score 1/10.
•One USB-C port
•Rose colour option
•Oleophobic coating and Sapphire covered power button.

20% more expensive (excluding 25% Brexit price hike) than the 2013 model.


*Throttled back down after 10 seconds due to overheating/inadequate cooling design

Love the post ... and your sig. Thanks for the smile :)
 
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put the nMP on a horizontal stand, and point a fan at the "bottem" air intake. When you're pushing your workload, this combo will boost performance while remaining cooler. Yes the additional fan its noisier, but you can turn it off or turn it down when the nMP is idle

The small vornado zippy w/ fabric fans is rather quiet.

I recently did tests w/ geekbench.
Horizontal Mac Pro with additional fan:

Single-core increase by 150 points
Multi-core increase by 450 points
OpenCL per D700 card increase of 3500 (7000 total)

I know you intended this to be helpful but should we really have to add external airflow to a desktop computer for it to achieve maximum performance, isn't that taking things a step to far for packaging?
 
Just give us a high performance MacPro with internal storage space that doesn't cost more than a second hand car.
And soooooon. Thanks
 
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If you say it enough times, it becomes reality, right?

Did you say new Mac Pro tower?
 
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Awe!!! but can you prove that all the whining has not affected product change or direction?

I can't prove the Sun will not "rise" tomorrow morning. But based on history and an understanding of physics, I feel confident the Earth will rotate into its rays of light tomorrow morning and we'll likely live another day.

Similarly, and obviously not a proof, but based on years of history, I have yet to see a forum whine cause Apple to change product plans, bring back removed features, etc. Have you?
 
Pffft! Let the complainers complain. Let the outraged remain outraged. Let the FUD flow. These types may scream and holler but they won’t be leaving the platform even if they say they will. It’s all chest pounding. I mean where will they go after they’ve spent years trashing the abomination that is Windows?
 
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Huh? Power? It's actually feeling powerless to get the kind of functionally great computers that apple used to make that is getting us so riled up.

By the way, as far as you and the rest who are complaining about all the complaining - do you not see the irony in that?

If I were complaining, yes - but I'm not.

I am, though, fascinated by forum dynamics, i.e. forum complaints (which are genuine to those concerned) never leading to action by Apple (product direction, bringing back removed features, thicker devices, etc), and, those complaining never taking action to go with a product that is better suited and meet their needs.
 
While I certainly think desktop-class computers in general are WAY less popular than they used to be, and computers in general are less common now with the rise of mobile devices (like the iPhone and iPad), Apple can't afford to put its developers under the bus by killing the Mac line without giving them a way to make apps. If Apple does that, they will fall VERY quickly... as apps are what Apple's built on these days. They're what sell the hardware... and furthermore depend on that hardware existing for their creation.

Don't get me wrong, I 100% understand the pickle Apple is in regarding Intel's priorities not aligning well with its own. That part isn't Apple's fault. Furthermore, I think the reason why people are clamoring for Apple to be less secretive is precisely because they're stymied by suppliers. An Apple that fails to realize this is making a fool of itself.
 
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I know you intended this to be helpful but should we really have to add external airflow to a desktop computer for it to achieve maximum performance, isn't that taking things a step to far for packaging?

I hear ya; Apple tends to prioritize silence over cooling, thus fans spin lower then adequate.
I've done something like this for every Mac I've own/used since the switch to Intel.

For intel thick edge iMacs, removing the plastic LCD cover (held by magnets) reduced temps by as much as 20C.
For MBPs, vertical oriented stands w/ the bottom cover removed and a fan pointed at it could drop temps by 25C
The thin-edged iMacs, can't do much more then use SMCfancontrol to rev up fans ( https://www.eidac.de/ ).

In terms of the nMP, the sideways stand + Fan + SMCfanControl, keeps Apple sensor (not cpu sensor) temps around 29C, under sustained maximum CPU and GPU load temps never climbed past 35C.

Same nMP in vertical orientation stock... 35C idle, 46C under max CPU/GPU load
 
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Don't get me wrong, I 100% understand the pickle Apple is in regarding Intel's priorities not aligning well with its own. That part isn't Apple's fault. Furthermore, I think the reason why people are clamoring for Apple to be less secretive is precisely because they're stymied by suppliers. An Apple that fails to realize this is making a fool of itself.
^^This^^
I need new hardware, Win and Mac desktops and laptops for my small company. All of my computers are running well, but it's time to upgrade some of them. A few of my peers are wanting to do the same. As a SMB owner I've resented Apple for it's secrecy for years - even when Steve was running the show - that new hardware was always coming out after the first of the year as I have to inventory the existing hardware and wait until another fiscal quarter to buy the new and sell the old stuff. Even if they'd be a bit more open about "when" new products will be on the street like HP/Dell/ASUS it'd be helpful.

As to Intel putting a tree trunk in the mud (no more sticks here) I'm surmising that several manufacturers were looking forward to smaller chips to stuff into their newest designs has a more than a few designer's knickers in a twist recently. Even with MS holding off on the new Surface Pro 5, a couple of my friends who want one related they're starting to sound more like Apple used to. Sad, that...
 
If the "Great Desktops are like the new MacBook, I will switch in hearbeat to Surface Studio.
The bump in processor is very small, they are RAM limited.
And if they only put USB-C one more reason not to buy it. I certainly hope they learned from their Macbook mistake. But they are hardheaded...
Phil Schiller needs to go...Innovation is dead
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Apple:
We do not care about thinner iMacs. We want faster processors, more Ram, Bigger Hardrives, and connect-ability (backwards compatibility).
Look at Surface Studio and learn. Phil Schiller should go...
 
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I'm with ya. Well said. I still am not quite brave enough to make the leap, but I have been looking more at windows laptops when I go to best buy, etc. Maybe I'll start off with an inexpensive windows 10 laptop and see if I can live with it before making the all out leap?
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Huh? Power? It's actually feeling powerless to get the kind of functionally great computers that apple used to make that is getting us so riled up.

By the way, as far as you and the rest who are complaining about all the complaining - do you not see the irony in that?
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Love the post ... and your sig. Thanks for the smile :)

Great idea on giving Windows 10 a trial run. Taking that leap is a hard decision.
 
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This is us at the end of 2017. Oh also, why can't Apple make a power cord that will last longer than 2 years? My 2012 MBP is on it's third power cord, and it already has two tears in it and significant yellowing.

Yellowing of the plastic on a power cord indicates thermal stress on the plastic. Basically, your cables are rotting from heat (by being too thin to support the current/voltage spec) Totally unacceptable.

I'm sure that Belden has a pro-grade cabling solution for Apple. Besides better cable components, these cables should be armored like the cook-temperature-probe on a wire that you stick in your meats-n-such.
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Bean Counter pretends to be a visionary in a written response to an employee.

Result: verbal diarrhoea of a wishy-washy consistency with larger lumps of **** mixed in.

They want to turn the creatives into consumers. I'm tellin' ya'!
 
Please, Mr Cook, either supply all future Mac desktop machines with sufficient RAM or allow users to add more themselves.
 
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