So you are saying that Apple products are for "affluent" people only and the unwashed masses have to settle for Android devices?
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Apple CEO Tim Cook Writes Op-Ed in Support of U.S. Employment Nondiscrimination Act
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So you are saying that Apple products are for "affluent" people only and the unwashed masses have to settle for Android devices?
This is such a non-issue in the corporate world and the first world real world. It's just being rolled out in the news cycles this week to distract the rabble from the health care rollout debacle.
No one gives 2 craps about your sexual orientation as long as you are not "wide-stancing" it in the company restrooms. You want to see real discrimination? Try getting a job in the entertainment industry being a Christian or a Republican...
No one gives 2 craps about your sexual orientation as long as you are not "wide-stancing" it in the company restrooms. You want to see real discrimination? Try getting a job in the entertainment industry being a Christian or a Republican...
It wasn't intended as a label in the way your response suggests. You are less consistent in posted views than you may believe, and they seem to project a lot of bias and fallacious logic, but I suppose that could be due to the number of words allocated to a given post. Anyway citizens united is frequently quoted, but I sort of covered that when I mentioned the deviation in the personal beliefs of senior management and shareholders.
You are putting the cart before the horse. Social Awareness comes before Legislative change, then Legislative change can widen the awareness, but first the Legislators have to be socially aware enough to write the legislation.
You must be a "progressive". I don't define myself with political terminology it's too confining. I am an independent. I am free to think outside the political box.
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I think that perhaps some of the confusion can be blamed on the assumption that I agree with all of the past and current mores, rather than merely stating the fact of their existence.
Yes, I am for total freedom of action (within criminal law), but accept that there may be undesirable consequences/reactions from others in my world.
It is then up to me as to whether it bothers me or not, and take remedial action.
At my age, I don't give a fig.
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Affirmative action, as its name implies, is the use of factors like race or gender (or sexual orientation) to use affirmative (that is, favoritive) criteria in selection. Examples are usiing race or gender as a tiebreaker, giving someone extra points when using a point scale for being a member of a favored class, or the rightfully maligned quotas. It is much more than prohibiting the use of those criteria, and is in fact the affirmative use of that criteria.
Whether that's good or bad, I'll leave up to you. In either case, this is most decidedly NOT affirmative action being discussed here.
From Wikipedia (which I would never site in a legal brief, but is good enough for discussions on the interwebs): Affirmative action (known as positive discrimination in the United Kingdom and as employment equity in Canada and elsewhere) refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, sex, or national origin"[1] into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group "in areas of employment, education, and business".[
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From the City of Seattle's website ...
The City conducts in own business as equal opportunity, they don't force it on the private sector. So it has little to do with my point of the thread as a whole.
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That's his risk to take a private business person. The government should have no say either way.
Thank you. Unfortunately it was the same under Steve. Especially in retail. Very few women can make it as a Store Manager.
Regardless of your orientation Apple has always been a Male Dominated Co.
Is that a joke? I really can't tell.
Sure has since he's not publicly out. Everyone assumes and some well placed people may know the truth, but you or I don't emphatically know at all. And the fact that the CEO of the most powerful tech company and most profitable company on the planet still isn't open about it says all you need to know. That he can't just say "Yes, I'm Gay. So what, Bitch. I'm more powerful than you'll ever be" like many straight CEO could and do (obviously, not the "I'm Gay" part, although...
Who said he can't say that? He probably doesn't for the same reason I've never heard a CEO stand up in their annual shareholders' meeting to declare to the world he or she is straight.
You can be assured that everyone in Apple who furthered Tim Cook's career knows his sexual orientation. That's why I stated that no one can claim his orientation has held him back one iota.
What a load of ********. I suppose that you are not quite sure of your sexuality (real men are not afraid of gays), and even more that you are afraid of competition in the workplace. When you said "hard working qualified workers", you didn't mean yourself, did you?
How would they possibly know unless you forced it upon them? Those who proselytize tend to get bitten in the hind end by rabid dogs. Why is it so hard to live and let live?
Since this is MR and the rules quite clearly state that statements must either be fact or opinion. Please provide us with some proof.
I have suffered discrimination when applying for jobs. I have a very Asian sounding name. I speak 3 languages and am very qualified yet when I send 20 CVs, only a couple answer back when my caucasian friends with a common name that cannot get the formatting right in Word when writing a CV send the same amount of CV and receive a lot more call back when we are equally qualified but I speak 2 more languages.
A similar experiment was done by a local newspaper, the same person aplied to the same places twice. Once with a white person name and one with a foreign name, guess which name had the most follow ups?
Discrimination exists today and will always exist until we actually start receiving aliens from outer space.
Twice nonsense. Religious organisations are excluded. And you are confusing "openly heterosexual" with "openly anti-gay". These are two very different things.
Just so I don't have to repeat my experience with "real discrimination".
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18306178/
The problem with this assumption is that gay people are a relatively small minority; an employer rejecting all gay applicants can still pick the best from 95% of the applicants. If they hire 20 people and select perfectly, the could get 20 of the 21 best.
Your logic fails completely. Sexual orientation and opinions about other people's sexual orientation are completely different things. They surely have to consider an applicant who is heterosexual - if he or she is going to do a good job supporting the goals of the employer. Someone who hates fixing cars isn't going to do a good job as a car mechanic. Someone who hates gay people isn't going to do a good job supporting their cause.
You don't know ****. Tim Cook is the CEO of one of the worlds most successful companies. His job is to do what is best for the company. He also is quite willing to openly say what he thinks is best for his country, because he wants what is best for his country, and because treating people decently is just what any decent person would do.
What you are saying is a disgusting homophobic attack on that man.
As a business owner, my money equals my decision. Nobody should be forced to go against their conscience or their religious beliefs. Tim Cook is an idiot and the sooner he leaves Apple the better.
Welcome, Mr. Strawman.
If people obey a law selectively, and systematically mistreat certain minorities, then of course you don't ignore it but do something about it. Unless of course you are looking for excuses not to.
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Please tell us what company you own. I shouldn't be forced by mistake to do business with you.
BS. He's just trying to advance his own pro-gay agenda and irresponsibly using his platform at Apple CEO to get the media attention. If he wants to get involved in politics then fine, leave Apple and run for political office. In the meantime stick to the day job.
Let me ask you this....
How does it go against your beliefs by hiring a gay person? Does hiring them mean all of a sudden you are supporting them being gay? No it doesn't. All you are doing is hiring a qualified person that will make you money.