No one talks about their ecosystem... There are rules in the EU where even Apple has to follow. Quite simple.
I'm also from the EU and like Apple products. But I don't like the actual development from Apple.
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Apple Challenges EU Digital Markets Act Over Feature Delays
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I'm also from the EU and like Apple products. But I don't like the actual development from Apple.
A bit more of this please...
How does making it free affect privacy or security in any way?!
Outside of bubbles like this forum, nobody cares why Apple is withholding features. No sane person is getting out their pitchforks to defend Apple in this battle with the EU. Good luck with this PR strategy Tim.
This is very much to do with their ecosystem.
I think you're mistaking correlation for causation.
It's the third-party app store that made the iPhone successful. Without apps the iPhone would be completely useless.
How can it be about the ecosystem, when most iPhone buyers don't even own other Apple devices?
The same like my link says... But you can clearly see, that Apple is on top of the list.
What? Apple's App Store is full of online gambling apps!
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Because Apple are claiming that third party app stores have opened up the platform to privacy and security issues, and the primary driver for those stores was the fees Apple was charging developers to use their App Store. So the argument being made here is that if Apple made the App Store free, there wouldn't even be a need for these 'dangerous' third party stores.
Tell us which competitors are playing by "the rules" and which will "run over" Apple. Why no mention of Google, Meta, Oracle and a host of others? Incredibly sweeping generalizations that are short on facts are usually the hallmark of very weak positions that rely on emotional appeal to live for more than five minutes.
Is that because getting Apple is the main objective of EU regulatory supporters? It only reveals that for most of them, it isn't about fairness or competition, it's about getting Apple for the EU's perception of their injustices.
Right. And Google doesn’t care who it gives your data to, no matter how sleazy or shady they are.
Using Google is not a solution for anyone that wants to limit how many people have access to your smartphone.
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What’s the relevance you’re getting at? The ecosystem isn’t just about the devices people own but how Apple builds that system, specifically how much control it has and wants over it, in comparison to Google and Microsoft who have chosen more open routes. But these companies have different business models, and very different approaches to user privacy - something Apple has literally been using in its adverts as a benefit over alternative providers.
If Apple says these instructions from the EU will compromise user data, then it’s my opinion Apple should have the right to say no. It’s a private company, with a portion of customers who bought Apple products as a more private alternative to Google.
And if the EU is unhappy, it should be able to have independent experts investigate if Apple is telling the truth, or if it’s lying.
Steve Jobs has been dead for a decade. What he would do is no longer relevant.
I don't, so we cancel each other out. I like to mix ecosystems because I don't trust any particular company, including Apple.
My household is a mix, with my wife using a Pixel and Windows, and our TVs are Roku....It would be nice if different ecosystems could mesh better.
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"iPhone Mirroring remains unavailable in Europe because Apple cannot extend the Mac-to-iPhone connectivity to Windows PCs without exposing user data."
I wasn't aware that EU is requiring Apple to provide iPhone-mirroring to Windows as well. The only comment I remember them making is that they are afraid that they would be required to also provide mirroring to Android-phones as well. If Samsung or google or whatever wanted to bring out an app for the Mac that allowed the user to connect to their Android-phone, I don't see how or why Apple could object to it.
I wasn't aware that EU is requiring Apple to provide iPhone-mirroring to Windows as well. The only comment I remember them making is that they are afraid that they would be required to also provide mirroring to Android-phones as well. If Samsung or google or whatever wanted to bring out an app for the Mac that allowed the user to connect to their Android-phone, I don't see how or why Apple could object to it.
But it isn't entirely done on device by Google. Some is, but a little research quickly shows many of the tasks and related activities are done off device by Google or its assigns. That is a big difference in privacy and security. Huge.
Again, Apple excels and protects while the others don't or don't do it as well as Apple.
Just saying.
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Let the user’s decide if they want to give their data to third parties. They bother me about once a month, even though I give permanent recording capabilities to an app.
I haven't downloaded an app for ten years on iOS. They all come with malware and annoying in-ads. No need to blame alt-stores for this. Phil Shiller was shut down and labelled fellow because he was the last man against ads in apps on iOS.
Exactly. This is the crux of the issue, it’s not about “Apple won’t provide a feature that others already provide,” it’s that Apple won’t compromise its security and privacy standards to do it.
So tired of Jobs, Jobs, Jobs would have done this or said that or claims of people saying they know what he would do in today's environment. None of the people saying that really have any idea. They just like to think they do.. He died just about 14 years ago. His relevancy as Apple's primary founder and innovator through his years is unrivaled and will always be a critical part of Apple's history, but it is over. Living in the past only makes the present more difficult.
But Steve Jobs is dead. Time to face that reality and stop wishing for him to come back from the dead. He isn't going to.
Great. But to use this feature in the EU it needs to be opened up. That's not up to Apple it's up to the political structures of the EU who have made this decision, it is their responsibility not Apples.
The issue is, that nowadays Apple is using "privacy" and "security" as fig leafs to hamper competition in markets that are not their core business. Think headphones, smartwatches, (app) payments, to just name a few. This would never happen if there was a healthy competition between smartphone makers. But since we have an oligopoly with iOS and Android dominating almost 100% of the OS market, it's easy for the big players abuse their power. That is what the DMA tries to address.
As a consumer I generally appreciate Apple's historical focus on privacy. I do think though, that the closed nature of the ecosystem is increasingly limiting my options. And don't say I should just switch to Android. The grass isn't really greener on the other side. Google has been very busy closing up Android and asserting more control over the OS.
While that’s all true and I agree, there are ample examples of his attitude and behaviour to make reasonable assumptions about how he would likely react. And I firmly believe he would aggressively fight the EU over anything that attempted him to compromise how he wanted Apple to run and the service it provides to customers.
The EU is crumbling from the inside yet this is where they continue to put their energy? You couldn’t make it up!
Then any company has the right and perhaps the responsibility to explain to the EU the potential shortcomings of forcing these things to be opened up, and why it can be a benefit for customers to have at least the option of buying from a company who doesn’t do that.
There’s an implicit contradiction in the supposed desires of governments and ruling leaders to crack down on cyber security incidents, yet simultaneously force tech companies to introduce weaknesses and back doors that hackers will exploit. See also: “please Apple give us a back door route that bypasses your encryption. What do you mean it isn’t possible that the government can have this access but hackers can’t find it?”