beautyहमempty
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@JanoschR: Yet, you admit that you want Apple to implement the changes in the most confusing way possible. You’re quite contradictory! 😅😂
Apple Challenges 'Unprecedented' €500M EU Fine Over App Store Steering Rules
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@JanoschR: Yet, you admit that you want Apple to implement the changes in the most confusing way possible. You’re quite contradictory! 😅😂
Fara82Light
macrumors member
Nonsense.
Shalev Lazarof
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You mean the EU government
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
Yes, it’s the EU government acting in the interests of competition.
beautyहमempty
macrumors member
You mean our gang? 😂😂😂
That’s it, my dear Janosch. In all your statements, you contradict yourself without realizing it, and you probably don’t even know what you’re saying. With arguments like that, I won’t waste any more of my time and I don’t want you to embarrass yourself even more.
laptech
macrumors 601
This is the part of the DMA that Apple is refusing to act
The DMA is basically telling Apple and others and they cannot ask for a fee or charge a fee to app developers who want to use external links in their apps. Apple do not want app developers to allow users to steer away from the app store and thus penalize them with core technology and tier fee's to persuade app developers not to use external links in their apps.
It does not matter how Apple word it, if they charge a fee to app developers for putting external links in their apps the EU will continue to go after Apple for non compliance of the DMA.
The DMA is basically telling Apple and others and they cannot ask for a fee or charge a fee to app developers who want to use external links in their apps. Apple do not want app developers to allow users to steer away from the app store and thus penalize them with core technology and tier fee's to persuade app developers not to use external links in their apps.
It does not matter how Apple word it, if they charge a fee to app developers for putting external links in their apps the EU will continue to go after Apple for non compliance of the DMA.
beautyहमempty
macrumors member
I’m Sorry about the Lightning cable e-waste, though. Oh, wait… if Apple had used USBC in the first place, this damage to our environment wouldn’t have happened either. There was no need for a proprietary lightning connector except Apple‘s hunger for money.
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No. They are intentionally punishing Apple, Google, Meta and other U.S companies because they literally cannot innovate.
one more
macrumors 603
And what would they gain from pushing Apple out of the EU? 🤷🏻♂️
I purchase Apple products for their walled garden ecosystem. Vetted software and all that. If I wanted third party software, I would've bought an android. Simple as that. iOS is a walled garden since 2007 and Android is third party friendly since 2008. The market knows this and makes choices based on these facts. EU is just trying to hurt Apple and in extension the U.S because their only chance at the smartphone and broader technology industry, Nokia, was gutted by Microsoft, a US company.
By the way, If you want to run 3rd party software on Apple products, then no one is stopping you from buying a mac.
2nd hand m1 mac mini: 250
New m4 mac mini 499-599
New m4 macbook air 850-1000
as you can see, the bar of entry for 3rd party software on apple platforms is pretty low.
By the way, If you want to run 3rd party software on Apple products, then no one is stopping you from buying a mac.
2nd hand m1 mac mini: 250
New m4 mac mini 499-599
New m4 macbook air 850-1000
as you can see, the bar of entry for 3rd party software on apple platforms is pretty low.
Great phones!
/s
Shalev Lazarof
Contributor
What is the innovation of a walled garden???
DaveMcM76
macrumors 6502
Except that would have first required inventing usb-c given that lightning was introduced in 2012 - a full 2 years before the usb c spec was published.
Don't matter mate. Apple don't have to open up their smartphones to third parties. If you want that, might as well get an android. An iphone 16e and a mac mini m4 is cheaper than a samsung fold and lets you have your third party apps or whatever.
Its been KNOWN since early 2010s that android is the open platform. No one is coercing anyone to buy an iPhone. But EU is coercing Apple to change policies that people knew about and bought their phones according those policies.
Shalev Lazarof
Contributor
By asking that question I understand you have no clue about integration, have a nice day
Lightning was announced and released in September 2012
USB C was announced in August 2014
So Apple could not have used USB C initially, and many other phone manufacturers didn't adopt it until later.
They want a continuous money stream from Apple through fines.
Apple was FORCED to use USB C. Say what you want but it is obnoxious to force a port on someone. Why isnt EU forcing HDMI or DisplayPort to either merge or cede operations to the other?
JanoschR
macrumors 6502
Hope you did understand that this first post was about the way Apple sees this. And yes, they are of course contradicting themselves. That's the whole point (speaking of embarrassing yourself).
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AppliedMicro
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Apple (via Politico)
“Apple contends that the EU executive's broadened definition of steering now includes in-app promotions and alternative payment services, and demands for links to competing app marketplaces, which Apple believes fundamentally alters the law's original intent.”
The intent of the law:
“In view of the imbalance in bargaining power between those gatekeepers and business users of their software application stores, those gatekeepers should not be allowed to impose general conditions, including pricing conditions, that would be unfair or lead to unjustified differentiation.
Pricing or other general access conditions should be considered unfair if they lead to an imbalance of rights and obligations imposed on business users or confer an advantage on the gatekeeper which is disproportionate to the service provided by the gatekeeper to business users or lead to a disadvantage for business users in providing the same or similar services as the gatekeeper.”
Monocultures don’t breed innovation.
Fair competition does.
“Apple contends that the EU executive's broadened definition of steering now includes in-app promotions and alternative payment services, and demands for links to competing app marketplaces, which Apple believes fundamentally alters the law's original intent.”
The intent of the law:
“In view of the imbalance in bargaining power between those gatekeepers and business users of their software application stores, those gatekeepers should not be allowed to impose general conditions, including pricing conditions, that would be unfair or lead to unjustified differentiation.
Pricing or other general access conditions should be considered unfair if they lead to an imbalance of rights and obligations imposed on business users or confer an advantage on the gatekeeper which is disproportionate to the service provided by the gatekeeper to business users or lead to a disadvantage for business users in providing the same or similar services as the gatekeeper.”
They do.
Monocultures don’t breed innovation.
Fair competition does.
Fara82Light
macrumors member
You mean the EU.
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
…which (in particular to any App-Store related fine) can be simply avoided by complying with the law and its intent.
surferfb
Contributor
Plenty of competition with Android, as you well know. All the DMA does is declare that competition between business models isn’t allowed. Big Brother knows best, closed ecosystems aren’t allowed.