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And Android is completely open, and no third party store has gotten the Play Store to reduce its rates or change its conditions, which highly suggests the rates and conditions are actually competitive.
The Play Store is subject to the same regulation.

And looking at other stores (including Microsoft’s and Epic’s) as well as other providers of software licensing/transaction processing providers, they’re not.
It would push developers to stop developing for Android and develop for the competitors.
…except: The Play Store has a history of colluding with Apple pricing.
 
Under your theory, all of the antitrust actions that applied to Windows should have applied to Apple with 10% of the market because Microsoft and Apple had a "duopoly" in the 1990s
Except… they both did not control the market for third-party applications and transactions with third parties.

That is the difference.

And that is what the EU and their DMA primarily intends to ensure fair competition for: related software and services (mostly provided by third parties).

Allow third parties to freely transact with customers - and Apple can operate their store at the rates they want.
 
Lightning had a usb3.0 mode
...requiring an active dongle because Lightning doesn't have enough pins for a full USB 3 compatibility mode (inc. USB 2 fallback).

a wider lightning at the same thinnes couldve supported thunderbolt speeds.

A wider lightning would have meant everybody needed everybody to get new cables and docks, which kinda defeats the object of sticking with lightning...

USB-C hinders the ability for a phone to be thinner below 4mm

That's not actually clear - Lightning sockets need contacts above and below the shaft. USB-C has a thicker shield, but all the contacts are contained within that on a much thinner "blade" that doesn't have to take all the mechanical strain.

In any case, phones are already so thin that they need "bulges" to accommodate the camera, and bend if you put them in your back pocket - and nothing in the EU directive prohibits wireless-only phones (or any other "innovative" power source that doesn't involve plugging in a wire).

Plus, a wider lightning would use up valuable horizontal space on other appliances (like the Pencil and any devices with multiple ports or with limited edge space on the logic board.

And no it really doesn't matter that Apple helped the creation of usb-c and promoted it with their macbooks and ipads

Of course it matters. People are acting like the EU invented their own abomination of a connector. USB-C represents the best efforts of a group of successful tech companies to produce a connector suitable for (amongst other things) mobile phones, with Apple playing a significant role. A more lightning-stye connector was always an option for the USB-IF, they chose otherwise (presumably for good reasons - I suspect because they couldn't cram any more wires into the blade of a Lightning connector while keeping it strong enough to be the load-bearing part of the plug).
 
If you don’t like it, don’t use it (download from anywhere else).

As for the technical implications, understand that installation of software (not reviewed by Apple) from outside the App Store has been possible fir many years (see my previous post above).
I am invested in a platform where a malicious foreign entity (EU) is trying to change its fundamentals out of pure spite. If Apple also gives in, There will be no walled garden ecosystem and I might be forced to cease using a smartphone. EU is literally stealing the values and features (the walled garden ecosystem that is tightly vetted) so they are complicit in theft. A "third party app store" or a "sideloading" enjoyer can always buy an android, but if EU forces Apple to open up too, it's over for people who do not want these features or who know the malicious outcomes this opening up can bring (look at the vast world of Android viruses..)

EU is forcing Apple to give up on platform security, and putting millions of families (and kids) that uses iOS in danger because

1) Little Hans from deutschland wants to play fortnite or install some obscure stuff on their iPhones,
2) EU knowing that this walled garden ecosystem is fundamental to Apple's mobile platforms, forces Apple to pay fines periodically becuase they know Apple can't easily change stuff.

This is theft at it's finest. Theft from me and millions of people who buy Apple devices BECAUSE of their secure walled garden platform, and theft from Apple, inhibiting them from investing more in r&d, stiffling innovation out of PURE SPITE.

How about you spend all that energy in your own mobile platform that would have whatever rules and regulations you want, instead of coercing a company and extorting them out of cash. You don't even have to build from the start, either take AOSP or any other linux distro and build on top of it.
 
The Play Store is subject to the same regulation.
But Android has always been open, and used that as a selling point of their OS over Apple's closed system. Again, the EU doesn't actually want competition between the two - they want them to be the same.

And looking at other stores (including Microsoft’s and Epic’s) as well as other providers of software licensing/transaction processing providers, they’re not.
If they weren't, then developers would be moving to other stores. But they're not. The market knows better than you and the EU.
…except: The Play Store has a history of colluding with Apple pricing.
If you have evidence of colluding (vs. the market setting the rates) I'm sure the EU would love to have it.
 
Hi Apple, EU here,

Since you make a significant share of your profits because of my market, you won’t cease your operations and won’t go anywhere. 😉

I have +100 million more citizens than the USA and I decide who operates in my market and under what conditions.
So Apple should just leave the EU market and remove all the stores with it? I wonder how many Apple employees in the EU? And if Apple did just that. What would these EU developers complain about then? All they would have is Google.
 
First of all: You accuse me of confusing developers, yet you openly admit you plan to implement the changes in the most confusing way possible. Interesting self-own. Didn’t think you’d say it out loud. 🤣

If you openly admit you’ll intentionally make things worse and confuse developers, just to cling to your App Store monopoly, you’re basically proving my point. Thanks for showing everyone exactly why regulators exist and why you shouldn’t be trusted to ‘self-regulate’.

Again: If you want to operate in my market, you play by my rules. Not the other way around. And we all know you will, because you always do:

-USB-C on all Apple devices … huge benefit for consumers. We have that thanks to the EU.
-Alternative app stores provide more choice and convenience. (We know, because we use it ;)) Again, only because of the EU.
-Alternative payment methods are better for consumers and developers alike. Once more, that’s the EU’s doing.

So as you can see: your threat to make things worse on purpose doesn’t make much sense. You’re just showing why these rules matter and why they work.

FYI: I am from Germany and we are best buds with France. The UK is starting to build economic bonds with the EU again… they regret Brexit and want to rejoin…
You might be best buds with France but I'm from the UK and can assure you that we don't want to rejoin the EU and do not regret Brexit however, we have political masters at the moment who think otherwise - thankfully or hopefully, their tenure in office will be short!
 
The only solution is for Tim Apple to call Trump again, yes Trump because this thing is political. The EU is clearly out to kneecap US technology companies to give their feeble home grown offerings a chance.

There is a reason that the EU is a technological innovation wasteland. If it was just up to them the EU would still be using Minitel and Nokias and both of those used US technology at their core.
Much like the US has been trying kneecap Chinese technology companies.
 
I am invested in a platform where a malicious foreign entity (EU) is trying to change its fundamentals out of pure spite. If Apple also gives in, There will be no walled garden ecosystem and I might be forced to cease using a smartphone
The freedom of tens of thousands of businesses and millions of consumers trumps your desire be locked in.
That’s the political decision EU legislators have made.

There will be no walled garden ecosystem
You can continue to limit your app downloads and purchases to Apple’s App Store - just as before.

A "third party app store" or a "sideloading" enjoyer can always buy an android
…but many do not want to.
But they should still be allowed to have the choice afforded to users of “the other” system.

EU is forcing Apple to give up on platform security, and putting millions of families (and kids) that uses iOS in danger because
“But think about the children!” 😇
It’s not a problem desktop PCs, so it’s manageable on mobiles as well.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
 
Funny, while trying to defend Apple you've still managed to concede their shockingly petulant nature (as can be seen in every bizarre public statement they've made about this), and how much value they really place on "doing what's right for consumers" as opposed to protecting their ~80% App Store margins or 90%+ Safari (Google search deal) margins.
Nothing illegal in protecting one's business. The customer makes a purchase. If they don't like it, they can return it for a full refund, and never have to purchase it again. The fact that the EU does not have a domestic OS/Phone manufacture is its OWN FAULT. And, its citizens picked which they liked. Hence the situation.

Build another version of Android or make a new one based on any one of these linux OS's and make your own alternative.
 
This feels like dealing with a HOA (Homeowner's Association) of a 55+ community.
That's what the EU looks like, a bunch of old farts creating thousands of rules to be able to raise money by imposing fines.

Very soon they will dictate what days of the week their citizens are allowed to have sex, and how many children are allowed to have, how they should dress, what color to paint their homes, and when they are allowed to eat chicken.
 
Again, the EU doesn't actually want competition between the two - they want them to be the same.
With regards to installation and monetisation of third-party apps, they want them to be subject to the same rules, yes.

👉 That is just one feature of these operating systems. And it’s not the most important differentiating festure between the two.

I doubt you’d find many normal people who would agree “Oh, these two operating systems are exactly the same, except on Android sideloading is easier”.
 
Nothing illegal in protecting one's business. The customer makes a purchase. If they don't like it, they can return it for a full refund, and never have to purchase it again. The fact that the EU does not have a domestic OS/Phone manufacture is its OWN FAULT. And, its citizens picked which they liked. Hence the situation.

Build another version of Android or make a new one based on any one of these linux OS's and make your own alternative.
Presenting the EU-Phone... the true amazing "Freedom Phone", powered by Android, monitored by the EU, so make sure you don't break any rules. And if you do, for your convenience we will add the fine(s) to your phone bill.
 
Very soon they will dictate what days of the week their citizens are allowed to have sex, and how many children are allowed to have, how they should dress, what color to paint their homes, and when they are allowed to eat chicken.
That’s what dealing with Apple, their App Store and their App Store review team feels like.

“Sorry, you can only buy your groceries from store X, and only pay for them using payment method Y in our neighbourhood”
 
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The problem arises when someone being able to ask any price (or business term) free from competitive pressure.


Wrong.

I’ve downloaded and installed enterprise apps myself.
On my own, personal (non-supervised/non-MDM enrolled) device.

It is literally as easy opening a web site, downloading an app and confirming to install it
Just have to trust the developer in the Settings app (this could be more user-friendly, but that’d only be a “cosmetic” change of the dialogue, nothing about the innards of the system).
I linked to Apple’s instructions above.

It was very eye-opening.

Yes and they expire if you don't have an enterprise entitlement. Seriously did you not see that when you pretended you installed them? I do this for a living I'm not going to bother arguing with you any longer.
 
The freedom of tens of thousands of businesses and millions of consumers trumps your desire be locked in.
That’s the political decision EU legislators have made.
Only because their ideological opposition to closed, integrated ecosystems, distrust of the free market, and zeal to regulate themselves out of a hole created by regulation has blinded them. And given their track record of stifling innovation in their market, unwillingness to consider safety, security, and user experience despite having multiple instances of making things worse for everyone, and complete inability to think through second order effects of their regulations, it’s pretty clear they’re going to make things worse.

You can continue to limit your app downloads and purchases to Apple’s App Store - just as before.
And you can buy an Android device and not blow up Apple’s ecosystem. Your preferences shouldn’t outweigh mine and Apple’s.

…but many do not want to.
But they should still be allowed to have the choice afforded to users of “the other” system.
“My preferences are more important than yours and the platform owner’s. I deserve to have my cake and eat it too - no matter the harm caused.”

“But think about the children!” 😇
It’s not a problem desktop PCs, so it’s manageable on mobiles as well.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
It is a problem on desktop PCs, and on Android. Apple fixed it on mobile, but the people who gave us cookie popups and Crowdstrike know better!
 
at this stage I think Apple would be well within their rights to sell Android OS devices in EU or fork the iOS and not add new features for EU phones. see how long before residents complain and vote out those making these demands
Close to two-thirds of respondents to a survey by YouGov — commissioned by the non-profit organizations People vs Big Tech and WeMove Europe — said Europe should continue to enforce its laws even if this damages relations with the U.S. president.

YouGov surveyed around 2,000 respondents in each of France, Germany and Spain between June 5 and June 16.
 
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