wbeasley
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if you dont like how Apple behaves then buy something else. that's simple really. alternatives exist...
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Apple Challenges 'Unprecedented' €500M EU Fine Over App Store Steering Rules
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frenchcamp49er
macrumors 6502a
The EU is only acting to bolster its wallet
We can argue semantics all day but the fact remains that all Apple had to do was give the iPhone parity with the Mac in terms of app installations and all it's litigation problems would evaporate. Instead it continues to fight the wording of the law by hiring developers in so much bureaucracy that if Apple were a country we'd call them a nanny state.
It's like it somehow trusts Mac users to be smart enough to manage things but somehow thinks iPhone owners need babysitting?! As an iPhone user I'm frankly insulted.
It's like it somehow trusts Mac users to be smart enough to manage things but somehow thinks iPhone owners need babysitting?! As an iPhone user I'm frankly insulted.
frenchcamp49er
macrumors 6502a
chrono1081
macrumors G3
Except you do, you have no idea how different using it for enterprise is or the steps involved to be able to use it for enterprise. Very different things.
frenchcamp49er
macrumors 6502a
Why the EU should never receive anything other than a phone that makes calls
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
The problem arises when someone being able to ask any price (or business term) free from competitive pressure.
Wrong.
I’ve downloaded and installed enterprise apps myself.
On my own, personal (non-supervised/non-MDM enrolled) device.
It is literally as easy opening a web site, downloading an app and confirming to install it
Just have to trust the developer in the Settings app (this could be more user-friendly, but that’d only be a “cosmetic” change of the dialogue, nothing about the innards of the system).
I linked to Apple’s instructions above.
It was very eye-opening.
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wbeasley
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Apple can sight "design requirements" needed their RAM and SSD... "risk of overheating/fires/thermal load".
Or they could go the ink jet cartridge route and add chip checks to disallow third party or selected Apple approved ones.
you know the upgrade route isnt viable before purchasing.
if you dont like it, buy something else.
no one is forcing you to choose Apple products.
go look on AliBaba for USB drives "$30 for 64TB" and then half the reviews are how slow the memory is, incompatible, only 57MB... and someone who buys this and installs it will blame Apple. 🙂
buy a cheap external drive is usually the answer to high internal drive costs.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Android exists and competes fiercely for developers and users.
wbeasley
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at this stage I think Apple would be well within their rights to sell Android OS devices in EU or fork the iOS and not add new features for EU phones. see how long before residents complain and vote out those making these demands 😉
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Whoa! Tickle my senses why don't ya!
This is a tough choice, I have to admit!
The RAM/SSD gouging is beyond frustrating.
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
But the Apple App Store does not compete with Google Play for app transactions.
They have separate user bases (with barriers to switch* between the two).
PS: * Much higher ones than Walmart/Target, McDonald’s/Burger King, Shell/Exxon etc. etc.)
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Plenty of competition. Just because you and the EU don't recognize it as competition because it blows up your argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
That’s not something Apple wanted. And it will fight tooth and nail for what it believes.
The DMA is poorly written and the goalposts keep changing. And be reminded it’s an opt in business relationship with Apple. Nobody has a gun to anyone’s head to force them to become a developer.
Digital Dude
macrumors 68000
Does the EU have something against Google and its online services? All I ever hear is constant talk about Apple, blah blah blah. I used to live in Europe before, back when things made more sense in my opinion. I think one of the worst things that ever happened over there was unification and that silly euro. 💶
surferfb
macrumors 68030
iOS has somewhere between 10x and 20x the number of users than MacOS. It is completely valid to think that a system that works well for a smaller, more technical user base isn't appropriate for a larger, less technical one.
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
It’s a de facto duopoly - in which the App Store does not directly compete with the Play Store and vice versa.
Oh, and they have basically the same terms, conditions and pricing.
What is stopping Apple from raising their commission rate to 40% or 60% tomorrow (absent alternative stores/purchasing options)? And what’s stopping them from doing it in collusion with Google?
Especially since their commissions aren’t transparently communicated to consumers - but absorbed by developers.
surferfb
macrumors 68030
And Android is completely open, and no third party store has gotten the Play Store to reduce its rates or change its conditions, which highly suggests the rates and conditions are actually competitive.
It would push developers to stop developing for Android and develop for the competitors. If Apple's rules are as stifling to developers as you claim, the only thing keeping them on iOS is that they make money. Raising the commission would harm that and reduce the incentive to develop for iOS, because Apple and Android actually do compete despite your protestations otherwise.
Exactly, the only thing Apple ever tries to protect is its profits. Pure greed under the guise of protecting the consumer.
AppliedMicro
macrumors 68040
So given that macOS is the 2nd most popular desktop operating system (behind Windows), let’s not pretend that iOS has only a small minority market share. 😉
Play stupid games, win stupid prices 🙂
However 500 Million is a very small fee for Apple. It should be higher so it hurts and Apple stops making things so complicated.
However 500 Million is a very small fee for Apple. It should be higher so it hurts and Apple stops making things so complicated.
surferfb
macrumors 68030
Under your theory, all of the antitrust actions that applied to Windows should have applied to Apple with 10% of the market because Microsoft and Apple had a "duopoly" in the 1990s. I think we all realize why that's ridiculous. It may be slightly less ridiculous when Apple has 28% of the market, but it's still ridiculous.