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P.S. the 20'' uses a S-IPS afaik.

P.P.S I also believe the alum. 24'' iMac uses a H-IPS panel as well

Everything you mention is what I read when I was on the "ACDs are SO expensive" bandwagon as well. Then some other posts that know, schooled me on the parts and pieces and why the price is so different.

And yes, the 20" is the troubled child of the bunch. It's the only one that's no HD and it uses an S-IPS panel. It's dimmer and when put next to either a 23" or 30" it's a bit harder to get matching colors, but that's due to the dimmer backlight. They are very color accurate however, and are the best 20" and value for S-IPS that I have seen.

Why do you need an Apple display? Is it looks, features, brand loyalty? I'd look at what you're after and expand your search.

For color accuracy and professional features. It's not for everyone, in fact I always try to sway people away from it unless their next meal is dependent on color accuracy. There is nothing wrong with a PVA or TN especially if you are going to watch movies and play games, the response time on those panels are better.

But for professional color accuracy, S-IPS and H-IPS are the way to go. Which is why color calibrating on them should be a breeze, anyone that is having trouble should take a step back and read the directions one more time.

i want to buy the 30 inch Apple cinema display though without display port or hdmi it really kills of HD video for this display limiting it severally.
I would like to kill two birds with one stone and not need to buy a 30 inch lcd tv and a 30 inch display for playing movies when the room i rent is quite small.

That's probably the only thing I can see Apple adding to the specs. Give me HDMI which is the same signal as DVI with added audio in a much smaller port. That would also free up some space on the MBPs for another FW800 port or eSATA.... we hope Apple would do this though.
 
Thanks for the information

I was quite unaware that the ACDs used H-IPS panels. I am very pleased by this information because I am purchasing a 23" soon.

The Dell 2408 and 3008 are the ones that are similar to the Apple monitors and prices accordingly. The 2408 is $680 while the ACD 23" is $900. While the ACD uses H-IPS (the improved version of S-IPS) the Dell uses the good but not as accurate S-PVA which is much better than TN hands down and is the better choice for gaming, TV watching, movie watching, general use etc.

The 3008 and ACD 30" use the S-IPS and H-IPS type panel with only the backlight separating them. The price difference in the displays is probably caused by the backlight and casing.

In either case, it's up to you, the user, to decide what you are going to use the monitor for. If it's color specific, and your job is on the line, go with the more color accurate H-IPS and S-IPS panels. If not, then anything else will do. And from what I remember the HP 30" uses the IPS panel type as well.


On a side note, the reason many users consider the ACDs to be far more expensive or "behind the times" compared to other monitors is because they are comparing the S-PVA, IPS, and TN panel like they are the same when they aren't even close. When LG or Samsung or that 3rd vendor make new cost effective monitors to put in the ACD cases then Apple will update. As it stands there is nothing to update to. All Apple can do is replace the backlight or make a new casing.
 
I was quite unaware that the ACDs used H-IPS panels. I am very pleased by this information because I am purchasing a 23" soon.

Same here. Trying to get two of them since my desk isn't deep enough for a 30".

Unless you are grabbing a NEC or LaCie or that 24" HP with 14 bit color there really isn't anything that compares.

And personally, I use FW400 ALL.... THE.... TIME.... so having them on the back really helps.
 
And personally, I use FW400 ALL.... THE.... TIME.... so having them on the back really helps.

Just remember though that the FW400 plug on the monitor, needs to plug into the FW400 plug on your computer. If you don't plug this in, the FW400 plugs won't work on the monitor, same with the USB plugs. You lose one on the computer to gain one on the monitor.
 
Apple care (not AppleCare) flowchart:

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It's not big on their priorities list. They don't care about professionals.

Are you sure you don't mean the iPod mini? Other than that, I've never heard of this 'mac mini' you speak of. You would think that a computer company would advertise all the computers they make - yet I've never seen an advert for this 'mini' - are you absolutely sure its real.
 
Just remember though that the FW400 plug on the monitor, needs to plug into the FW400 plug on your computer. If you don't plug this in, the FW400 plugs won't work on the monitor, same with the USB plugs. You lose one on the computer to gain one on the monitor.

:rolleyes:

Why would you think I didn't know.

And there are two on the monitor, so you loose one on the back of the tower to gain two on the back of the monitor.
 
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Give me HDMI which is the same signal as DVI with added audio in a much smaller port. That would also free up some space on the MBPs for another FW800 port or eSATA.... we hope Apple would do this though.

Forget HDMI - Go DisplayPort!
 
Are you sure you don't mean the iPod mini? Other than that, I've never heard of this 'mac mini' you speak of. You would think that a computer company would advertise all the computers they make - yet I've never seen an advert for this 'mini' - are you absolutely sure its real.

omg mate you deserve a slap if your not joking, go to the apple site and find out
 
Apple care (not AppleCare) flowchart:

It's not big on their priorities list. They don't care about professionals.

Said like a pro. If you're waiting for the displays to refresh, you're going to seriously have to wait for a long time. If you're in need of one at this moment, check out alternative offerings (mainly, Hazro has similarly designed monitors, and DoubleSight is about to release a 26'' monolith with an H-IPS panel). They probably both share the same case manufacturer.

http://www.hazro.co.uk/
http://doublesight.com/
 
Said like a pro. If you're waiting for the displays to refresh, you're going to seriously have to wait for a long time. If you're in need of one at this moment, check out alternative offerings (mainly, Hazro has similarly designed monitors, and DoubleSight is about to release a 26'' monolith with an H-IPS panel). They probably both share the same case manufacturer.

http://www.hazro.co.uk/
http://doublesight.com/

That 26" monitor has a 1920x1200 resolution. H-IPS or not that's just not going to cut it. Might as well get a 24" H-IPS.

What's sad is that the res is the same as the 17" MBP.

DS's other offerings are sound purchases though.
 
Source?

Everywhere I look left and right (Googling that is) says the 23" ACD is S-IPS.

Yup Yup, the 23" ACD is S-IPS.

The only H-IPS displays offered by Apple currently are the 30" ACD and the 24" iMac.

I'm *this* close to just buying the 30" ACD. My new Mac Pro will arrive in 2 days, and the 30" ACD is supposedly one of the best for color correct applications. Also, it's pre-calibrated from Apple so it's ready to go. I won't need HDMI or any of those other baubles.

My other thought is not to get an Apple, but to get an NEC 2690WUXi-BK-SV. It's got 12 bit LUT , comes with color calibration software as well as the hardware. 2690WUXi-BK-SV. Performance wise, this one looks like it leaves the 30" ACD in the dust. And costs $400 less. NEC also offers a 30" version which covers a greater color gamut and has a higher resolution.
 
Yup Yup, the 23" ACD is S-IPS.

The only H-IPS displays offered by Apple currently are the 30" ACD and the 24" iMac.

I'm *this* close to just buying the 30" ACD. My new Mac Pro will arrive in 2 days, and the 30" ACD is supposedly one of the best for color correct applications. Also, it's pre-calibrated from Apple so it's ready to go. I won't need HDMI or any of those other baubles.

My other thought is not to get an Apple, but to get an NEC 2690WUXi-BK-SV. It's got 12 bit LUT , comes with color calibration software as well as the hardware. 2690WUXi-BK-SV. Performance wise, this one looks like it leaves the 30" ACD in the dust. And costs $400 less. NEC also offers a 30" version which covers a greater color gamut and has a higher resolution.

Source?

Everywhere I look left and right (Googling that is) says the 23" ACD is S-IPS.

I came to the same conclusion after much research. Only one site claimed the 23" is H-IPS and there was no supporting evidence. Now I am disappointed again. Still waiting for H-IPS and DisplayPort.
 
Yeah I think they are waiting for LED displays..

I am 100% content with my 30" ACD. Everything is great, no complaints.
 
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