Apple Cinema Display Updates?

[Analog Kid]

Re: mouse

Originally posted by Ja Di ksw
My problem with it is apple is going to charge a ton of money, one of my kidneys, and my first born child for it. So now I have to decide, first born child, monitor, first born child, monitor. . . . hmmmmmm. . . . . .

Hey, sounds like a great pricing scheme to me! I've got two kidneys and well...

"Honey? You want a new monitor?"

🙂

 

[airmac]

Originally posted by Peyote
The resolution of the screen has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I know what resolution is and how it works. I'm not talking about the physical size of the things on the screen. I'm talking about the screen being so wide that in order to look from one edge of the screen to the other you're gonna have to turn your head quite a bit. POSSIBLY enough so that it's not practical. In all likelyhood, most people with a screen that big would just end up putting most windows and floating pallettes on one side of the screen or just in the center so they don't have to turn their heads. But then you're defeating the purpose of the screen size. I just don't see it being practical enough to use. I think the 23" screen is the perfect size.


The only instance I could see using a 30" screen would be for video editing, or when a home user wants to use the screen for tv watching as well. That I could dig. Assuming Apple put out a screen that could display both VGA and NTSC with good quality.

hm...i bought the 23 HD but people here were really annoying with that particular phrase "20 inch is the perfect size"....

😱

When you get used to th 23 hd...you realized it's not really that big afterall...

 

[cr2sh]

I would love to one day again own an Apple display, but I will not buy a display with the same design. It just doesnt work as well as it should... when I had the cube, sure.. it was cute but..

Panther has gotten rid of the pinstripes...
The G5 is aluminum alloy casing...
The powerbook is aluminum...
There's no way Apple will release the same casing, if they do I'll be buying that Sun 24" I hear such good things about.

Did I also mention there's no way Apple will release a single button BT mouse... err... wait... 😛

 

[iPC]

Originally posted by Peyote
Well yeah, I think everyone would love to have a 30" monitor. My point is only Is it practical? I HIGHLY doubt that monitor will cost 1999 like the 23" now does. My guess would be more like $2500. At that point is it practical? I mean, I'd love to have a Lambourghini (sp?), but do people find that car practical? Would it be worth it for Apple to invest the time and R&D into a product that is really just a status symbol? I agree that to an extent, Macs are status symbols, but at what point does it start to become less about usability, and more about "wow"...at which point IMHO, it becomes impractical.

More than likely pricing will be closer to $3499-3999. 30" LCD TV's usually go for around $4000.

 

[cr2sh]

Originally posted by iPC
More than likely pricing will be closer to $3499-3999. 30" LCD TV's usually go for around $4000.

They make lcd tvs? At what resolution? <edit> they do.. huh... i dont get it.

I agree, ~$3500 is a reasonable price range for a 30" right now, but at that price, its a hard sell over the "cheap" $2000 23". I'd like to see a price slide down, 20" at $1000, 23" at $1500, and 30" at $2500. Who knows... let's get an adjustable aluminum design. Price isnt as important as a good design. I'd love to have a mounting device that clamps to my desk to secure it, and then a neck so that I can put the 30" at any height or position.. just like the iMac.

<added>

What exactly is high definition? I notice that the 23" is HD but the others are not, many of the other large LCD's on the market are not high def... If they're the same resolution, same size.. what makes one HD and the other not? thanks.

 

[WM.]

Re: That's why you can only have 1 USB port and 1 1394 port, right?

Originally posted by AidenShaw
[That's why you can only have 1 USB port and 1 1394 port, right?]

Well, hopefully you're joking (since I know you're pretty technically knowledgeable), but just in case you're not:

I'm not sure why the PC industry refers to physical connectors as "ports", instead of "connectors" (or "jacks" depending on the kind of connector) like most other electronics industries seem to. But I do know that it's called the Universal Serial Bus, and manufacturers (or at least Apple) tend to refer to "the FireWire bus" (which may be attached to more than one "port").

FWIW
WM

 

[Analog Kid]

Re: Re: That's why you can only have 1 USB port and 1 1394 port, right?

Originally posted by WM.
Well, hopefully you're joking (since I know you're pretty technically knowledgeable), but just in case you're not:

I'm not sure why the PC industry refers to physical connectors as "ports", instead of "connectors" (or "jacks" depending on the kind of connector) like most other electronics industries seem to. But I do know that it's called the Universal Serial Bus, and manufacturers (or at least Apple) tend to refer to "the FireWire bus" (which may be attached to more than one "port").

FWIW
WM

There's no reason a system controller couldn't be designed with dual AGP connectors.

I don't know enough about the AGP spec to know whether you can bus and address several connectors off a single "port", but you should certainly be able to create two independent "ports" from the system controller.

Still think it's a pipe dream though-- use PCI-X if you need a second graphics card...

 

[WM.]

Re: Re: Re: That's why you can only have 1 USB port and 1 1394 port, right?

Originally posted by Analog Kid
There's no reason a system controller couldn't be designed with dual AGP connectors.

I don't know enough about the AGP spec to know whether you can bus and address several connectors off a single "port", but you should certainly be able to create two independent "ports" from the system controller.

Still think it's a pipe dream though-- use PCI-X if you need a second graphics card...

*shrug* I've never heard of a motherboard with dual AGP slots. I seem to remember reading or being told that you could only have one, period. Again, I shrug.

WM

 

[D*I*S_Frontman]

YES it would be a good idea

For video editing using FCP and audio engineering using Logic, ProTools or DP, screen real estate is a huge productivity boon. You bet a 30" LCD display would sell to that crowd.

I currently use two CRTs--a crappy little 15" @1024x768 and a ViewSonic 21" @1920x1400. A 30" would take up less space on my desk, have no ugly screen frame interruptions, AND HAVE 49,000 MORE PIXELS of screen space over my current rig (assuming 2400x1500 as surmised by an earlier post).

BRING IT ON!!!

 

[mango]

Powerbook + CInema Display

Has anyone attached a 23" ACD to one of the new powerbooks? Does it support the native resolution (1920x1200) of the ACD?

 

[Sabbath]

I would be surprised if the 20" and 23" faced significant price drops as in the UK at least the prices are reasonably competitive with monitors offering similar resolutions, when you take the widescreen aspect into account.

On the other hand the 17" seems expensive and as a result maybe apple wish to drop it, although you would have to believe they would replace it with the 17" widescreen from the iMac and PB, especially if as others have mentioned this is cheaper than the standard 4:3 17" and as can be seen from the market you can charge a premium for a widescreen as apposed to a 4:3

If the 17 is dropped pro macs are going to seem very expensive to switchers, and remember some switchers will feel more at home with a tower and separate monitor than an AIO.

On the issue of bezels I dont think it really matters on screens how big they are unless youre using multiple monitors. I feel often people just want them to be small because they can be made small. I must say I actually really like the apple cinema displays, even though others feel theyre dated, it fells like youre working on a canvas rather than on a monitor, maybe its one of those humanisation designs from Mr Ive that us regular people dont understand but apparently make all the difference, like the handles on the old iMacs. 😕

Although I have no doubt the 20" price will be dropped by something in the region of 90% as I finally could afford to buy one last month 🙄

 

[airmac]

Re: Powerbook + CInema Display

Originally posted by mango
Has anyone attached a 23" ACD to one of the new powerbooks? Does it support the native resolution (1920x1200) of the ACD?

if the graphic card support it, which it does...sure...

 

[wdlove]

I'm interested in purchasing a new Cinema Display. Any idea when Apple will make the announcement? Will the it be worth it to wait?

 

[ITMediaCo]

Originally posted by wdlove
I'm interested in purchasing a new Cinema Display. Any idea when Apple will make the announcement? Will the it be worth it to wait?

I've been holding off on a 23" for several months now. It seemed like Apple would have released new displays a while ago...

In any case, I'm still waiting. This rumor seems more legit than those back in 2002.

 

[Julianne]

Has anyone heard anything more about this rumor or anything about a new TFT or the DVI to ADC Display Adapter to hook up the 23" to a 17" Powerbook? It says early November for the cable and without the cable whats the point of getting the 23"tft?

Any thoughts welcomed!

 

[frinky23]

I wonder, has any new news come out? Good thing I don't need a new monitor any time soon. I just like seeing new things introduced.

 

[wdlove]

Originally posted by frinky23
I wonder, has any new news come out? Good thing I don't need a new monitor any time soon. I just like seeing new things introduced.

I don't really expect any news about an update for the Cinema Display till MWSF. Since we are now less than 2 months away.

 

[billyboy]

With regards to cutting out a 17" display from the range, if that is the case, it would have a couple of advantages to Apple. Dump an entry level product which, although more geared to the masses, doesnt have the wow factor, probably doesnt have a high profit margin and faces stiff competition. They replace it with a typically "ahead of the game" Apple product ie a 30" screen that will sell in smaller numbers to the high end users but generate good margins. It will also make a big impression with punters who go to Apple stores ie, create the wow factor, create excitement in a store, and increase the quality of the Apple cinema display range overall.

I would rather see a 17" wide format display, but if they dont, I dont think they can be accused of alienating Mac users, seing as there is a lot of choice now in the 17" line from other suppliers.

I just measured up what a 30 inch screen would like sat on my desk which is in front of a window. Id have to add another window in my room else it´ll be too dark.

 

[Drifter]

Dump the 17" Studio. No "Wow" factor, stated above.
Change it to the increasingly popular (for mac geeks at least) 17" widescreen, aka, 1440x900.
Drop the 20" Cinema to $900.
Drop the 23" Cinema HD to $1,400-$1,600.

As for the 30", I don't know. I have a 23" HD, and for the first couple months, it was like "Holy **** this thing is ****ing huge!". No I can't even use a monitor with 1024. In fact, using my dad's 17" PB looks small to me, but wows others.

Personally, architects (ArchiCAD), video editing (FCP4), audio (Logic, Soundtrack), and Photoshop will benefit from such a huge ass screen. But it would be kinda weird having that slight look left or right. Maybe you guys just have your fat heads to close to the screen. 🙂
I'd like something like–oh, let's say, 27 inches. That'd be good. What resolution would that be? 2100x1300? Donno.

Something true: "Big is good. Bigger dreams. Bigger land. Bigger house. But sometimes it becomes unwieldy. Like a dick. Big is good, but there is something called too big."
😀

Other improvements:
Please, make it a color scheme like Aluminum Alloy (the theme from maxthemes.com) or at least the sweet sweet brushed aluminum.
And we need to have less of the outside and more of the screen on the monitor.
Make it a little more adjustable.
USB 2.0

We really need the smaller overall monitor size, so if someone uses a dual display, it's not so odd, like having that little spot where screen should be, but it's
plastic.

?Drifter

 

[Cooknn]

Dead and Stuck Pixels

With all the talk on the Apple support forums about dead and stuck pixels I wonder how much worse it will be on a display that large. I went through two 20" Cinema displays before I gave up for the time being. Bought from Best Buy for that very reason. It doesn't matter if it's one stuck green pixel out of 1.7 million. It will be the one you look at.

I understand the argument about cost going up if they were to guarantee perfect displays. But I read somewhere (or heard) that Apple strives over "every pixel" of the UI. Too bad they don't do the same with their displays. Maybe they should be making them somewhere else other than Taiwan...

Typing on my new G5 and my old 22" Viewsonic P225fb.

 

[Drifter]

It's not the size of the screen in inches that makes the most difference. Let's not forget about screen resolution.
It's 2400x1500, right?

Now, that's 500 more horizontal, 300 vertical. That is 150,000 more pixels than the 23''. It is also a hair wider in ratio that the 23''. And for pro customers, they need more screen horizontally. Pictures are usually landscape. Movie editing is a long timeline. Logic is self explanatory. ArchiCAD building are more wide, since most houses designed by architects are two stories, and wider or deeper.

So pro customers want wider screens. Hell, Cinema Displays are pretty ****ing tall too. 768 vs 1200(or even 1500). No competition. And 1024 is a little less than half the size of a 23'', when it is usually a 15'' screen.

So, screen resolution is more important than the size. Example: A 42'' plasma I saw awhile ago had a resolution less than my old 17'' iMac. 😛

 

[thabridawg]

Has anyone heard any new rumors about the new displays recently?

 

[Brundlefly]

I read....

that the 1280 lcd are being discontinued, but the 17 will be kept alive via a 1440x900 17 inch FP......like the imac or the 17 inch pbook, starting at $749 US.

I cannot release my source though 🙁

I believe it, I believe him

 

[Drifter]

Well, just when you thought the 17 was nice, you get a 20.

As for release, I expect a MacWorld 04. It seems reasonable. Get rid of alot during Christmas to make room for new ones. Or at least a good upgrade or two.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[iMeowbot]

Re: That's why you can only have 1 USB port and 1 1394 port, right?

Originally posted by WM.
*shrug* I've never heard of a motherboard with dual AGP slots. I seem to remember reading or being told that you could only have one, period. Again, I shrug.

It can be done. There are Alpha systems with multiple AGP slots, but the prices are terrifying.