Apple Claims 91% of $1,000+ PC Market Revenue in June

[AidenShaw]

You conveniently refuse to answer the question (big surprise). What is your motivation?

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Please reread my last post, particularly the lines that start with "I post because"....

So many other replies I could make, but they fail the "if you can't say anything nice,..." rule. Sentences with the word "pompous" aren't productive.

But don't worry - I won't maintain a "killfile" or "ignore list" to block you. I'm not an ostrich sticking my neck in the sand to avoid seeing something that conflicts with my world view.

 

[xIGmanIx]

You're missing the point Windows is CRAP! CRAP CRAP! OSX is what people want. Not Vista with a promise of W7 (Vista 2)

I fix PC's ALL day long, and all my family & friends PC's until they get a mac then no more problems for me.

one could argue its not the OS that is causing that problem but more than likely is the end user. Also, i think you would be hard pressed to find any mainstream business that is adamant about having OS X thus a Mac as their computer. at the end of the day, windows dominates OS X by a staggering amount, and some lame stat about one month and premium hardware (windows doesn't make hardware) won't change any of that. to each is own, but it sounds like you should stop supporting folks that require some computer recalibration.

 

[LagunaSol]

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

I'm able to understand your drivel perfectly well. However, you still haven't explained your motivation. Nor, apparently, will you.

Perhaps you should go camp out at a Windows user forum and post because people there post pure lies about the Mac platform? Oh wait, that wouldn't suit your motives. Which, again, remain unrevealed.

 

[MorphingDragon]

So far, we haven't looked at the performance-per-watt aspect of this TOC exercise.

So, consider running the systems 24x7 for a year doing h.264 video encoding. This satisfies the "full load 24x7" issue.

The obvious change here is that we need to normalize for the amount of work done, therefore the faster system can be powered off early, as soon as it completes a "year's worth" of work for the slower system.

Since SPEC includes an h.264 encoding test, we have a clear way of comparing the two systems fairly.

Doing this, we can see that you'll save $83.72 with the Core i7 system.

System     System     LCD   SPECint_rate   Hours   Cost
            Watts    Watts     h264ref             @$.15
---------- ------   ------  ------------   -----  ---------
iMac 2.93    192       0         65        8760   $252.29
i7-940       250      70        162        3512   $168.57

                                         [b]Savings $83.72[/b]

Notes:

• This factors the LCD running 24x7. That's unreasonable, but since it's constant for both systems it doesn't affect the result
• The SPEC numbers are rates compared to a reference system, so the i7 needs 40% (65/162) of the time that the iMac needs
• Apple only submits Xserve results to SPEC, so there were no iMac numbers. There was a Lenovo laptop with a T9600 (2.8GHz) listed, so that result was multiplied by 2.93/2.8 to estimate the iMac number
• The SPEC test runs a separate copy of the encoder for each logical CPU - two copies for the Core 2 Duo, eight copies for the Core i7

SPEC reports:

2.8 GHz T9600 laptop
2.93 GHz Core i7-940 desktop​

Im calling bad Maths and bad Science Practice!!! (Because I can)

The Variables have been changed too much for Reliable test result. The difference in System Components and System types is the main one. If you want to fairly test it, you need the same test "bed". (RAM GPU etc)

The maths data is unacceptable by Scientific standards as it Doesn't include uncertainties, multiple tests, Out-lier readings, SI Units etc etc...

The test lacks common sense, The i7 can finish work faster. How does that make it save money? This is an iMac, were not encoding h.264 24/7. At most Photoshop is run. A Photoshop based test would seem more in the correct realm. It lacks critical thinking, how is this test even related?

Dont just splurge facts, Evaluate. Evaluate. EVALUATE. I always wondered why my teachers pushed it. You just showed me.

 

[MrSEC]

I fix PC's ALL day long, and all my family & friends PC's until they get a mac then no more problems for me.

Really.What do you fix on them? I never have to work on any of my computers,Mac,or Windows. You must have a lot of friends watching kiddie porn,or hitting bit torrent sites.

 

[mrmayor92]

Really.What do you fix on them? I never have to work on any of my computers,Mac,or Windows. You must have a lot of friends watching kiddie porn,or hitting bit torrent sites.

you read that wrong... he probly has a job fixing computers... and on top of that he fixes his friends and families

 

[MorphingDragon]

Really.What do you fix on them? I never have to work on any of my computers,Mac,or Windows. You must have a lot of friends watching kiddie porn,or hitting bit torrent sites.

Torrent... whats a torrent?

Torrents are for Old men. Its lime-wire now. More pesky than Gator, more deadly than Conficker.

 

[AidenShaw]

The test lacks common sense, The i7 can finish work faster. How does that make it save money?

The Core i7 finished the work, and was powered off when the work was done.

The iMac had to run more than twice as long to finish the work.

In the end, the iMac used more electricity because it ran so much longer.
_____________________

This exercise relates to earlier "bad science", where -hh was claiming that the iMac would save $250/year in electrical costs compared to a generic beige PC. He figured the max power supply rating 24x7. This test took a real task, actual measured power consumption, and factored in the speed of the systems at the tasks. Even in -hh's max load 24x7 scenario, the iMac doesn't save $250/year -- in fact, the iMac uses more electricity to accomplish the same h.264 encoding task.

The test is inherently between two different types of systems, so I don't understand the comment about the "same test bed". I used SPEC data for systems with the same CPU/memory combination as the target systems.

This is an iMac, were not encoding h.264 24/7.

That's what a number of us have been trying to tell -hh.

 

[MorphingDragon]

The Core i7 finished the work, and was powered off when the work was done.

The iMac had to run more than twice as long to finish the work.

In the end, the iMac used more electricity because it ran so much longer.
_____________________

This exercise relates to earlier "bad science", where -hh was claiming that the iMac would save $250/year in electrical costs compared to a generic beige PC. He figured the max power supply rating 24x7. This test took a real task, actual measured power consumption, and factored in the speed of the systems at the tasks. Even in -hh's max load 24x7 scenario, the iMac doesn't save $250/year -- in fact, the iMac uses more electricity to accomplish the same h.264 encoding task.

The test is inherently between two different types of systems, so I don't understand the comment about the "same test bed". I used SPEC data for systems with the same CPU/memory combination as the target systems.




That's what a number of us have been trying to tell -hh.

$250!?... >.<!

Heh, Yeah.
Dont worry, the test bed comment was my brain going WHHHRR after a Practical Assessment worth about 1/9th of University entry marks.

 

[mrmayor92]

Torrent... whats a torrent?

Torrents are for Old men. Its lime-wire now. More pesky than Gator, more deadly than Conficker.

hahahahahah have fun with the RIAA knocking on your door

 

[AidenShaw]

I'm able to understand your drivel perfectly well. However, you still haven't explained your motivation. Nor, apparently, will you.

How's this for a motivating factor?

link
While I often don't agree with what AidenShaw has to say, I do like having him around.

AidenShaw has a wonderful ability to give fanboys a reality check, and helps keep this site from becoming too pro-apple (one-sided etc.)

 

[LagunaSol]

How's this for a motivating factor?

Wow, really? You're that desperate for personal validation?

 

[AidenShaw]

Wow, really? You're that desperate for personal validation?

Now I am ignoring further posts on this topic - it seems like you'd rather fight than listen....

ciao

 

[LagunaSol]

Now I am ignoring further posts on this topic - it seems like you'd rather fight than listen....

ciao

Since you refuse to address your real motivation here (because some poster thanked you for your balance? Really?), I imagine moving on is our best option.

 

[Hermolicious84]

Wow, after reading that this is for brick and mortar stores only, that number doesn't seem nearly as impressive. I think the title for the thread is incredibly misleading.

I'm sure Apple sells a lot of computers online too, but as someone stated, many of their competitors at this price point are either primarily online or online only retailers!

 

[MorphingDragon]

Wow, after reading that this is for brick and mortar stores only, that number doesn't seem nearly as impressive. I think the title for the thread is incredibly misleading.

I'm sure Apple sells a lot of computers online too, but as someone stated, many of their competitors at this price point are either primarily online or online only retailers!

Youre kidding right? Most people dont even know how to use the internet (To its full potential). Let alone find the security pin on their credit card. Brick and Mortar stores are the MAIN source of consumer computing.

 

[AidenShaw]

Wow, after reading that this is for brick and mortar stores only, that number doesn't seem nearly as impressive. I think the title for the thread is incredibly misleading.

I'm sure Apple sells a lot of computers online too, but as someone stated, many of their competitors at this price point are either primarily online or online only retailers!

Youre kidding right? Most people dont even know how to use the internet (To its full potential). Let alone find the security pin on their credit card. Brick and Mortar stores are the MAIN source of consumer computing.

This figure also doesn't account for direct sales, where most large business purchases happen.