Lawsuits seems to be the norm, I found this NYT illustration from 2010 to be telling. 😀 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/an-explosion-of-mobile-patent-lawsuits/
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Apple Claims Potential Injunction Against iCloud Could Result in $2.7 Billion Loss
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Lawsuits seems to be the norm, I found this NYT illustration from 2010 to be telling. 😀 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/an-explosion-of-mobile-patent-lawsuits/
The biggest bully of the playground getting ganged up by other kids...
You'll get no sympathy from me.
You'll get no sympathy from me.
I agree, the problem is on both sides, Apple clearly fuels the fire with its ridiculous patents too. I am definitely on the hate the game, not the player side of this whole war. I want to see the game chagned so that companies aren't awarded such ******** patents in the first place. I completely respect any company that protects the patents they were awarded, it doesn't make sense not to.
The question is... what constitutes infringing products? Certainly all the iOS based devices. And doesn't Lion have iCloud functions in it? so doesn't that mean all Macs as well?
The 2 Billion Euro figure quoted by Apple while probably high may not be as far from the mark as we thought.
basically calling Motorola's bluff.
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kids as in other billion dollar companies ? lol
btw: no one's asking for any sympathy.
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kids as in other billion dollar companies ? lol
btw: no one's asking for any sympathy.
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How does one patent cloud based synchronization? That seems like a patent that should have never been given out.
Does someone own corded charging? Browser integration? File downloading?
How does one patent cloud based synchronization? That seems like a patent that should have never been given out.
Does someone own corded charging? Browser integration? File downloading?
My point was that the lawsuit concerns data synchronization, which surely sounds like a software mechanism. If you have 2.7 billion euros, and use that to hire the best minds for this you can possibly find, can you then come up with a different, alternative data synchronization mechanism for less than 2.7 billion.
Oletros
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parish
macrumors 65816
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Agree that all these patent wars are ridiculous , as are a lot (most?) of the patents themselves. Like others, I'm nog taking sides, Apple is every bit as bad.
Anyone remember the spoof news wire email that did the rounds a few years ago about MS patenting the digits 0 & 1 so every s/w company would owe them trillions of $$$? The way things are going I can see that becoming reality!
The really bad thing about is that it's you and I who pay for it all
Agree that all these patent wars are ridiculous , as are a lot (most?) of the patents themselves. Like others, I'm nog taking sides, Apple is every bit as bad.
Anyone remember the spoof news wire email that did the rounds a few years ago about MS patenting the digits 0 & 1 so every s/w company would owe them trillions of $$$? The way things are going I can see that becoming reality!
The really bad thing about is that it's you and I who pay for it all
SeanMcg
macrumors 6502
And that's from 21 months ago. It'd be a lot messier now. The article uses a Super Bowl metaphor. Now, I bet they'd say spagetthi bowl.
HiRez
macrumors 603
It really feels like all this patent garbage is going to come back and bite Apple in the butt big time. They started the offense side and now not only are all the lawsuits consuming constant, massive resources, but they are coming under major risk. Nearly $3B from just one patent in just one county, that's serious money, even to Apple. Just pay the damn licensing fees and be done with it already (I don't mean just for this, for everything). And even though I do think Samsung shamelessly ripped off Apple's design, it's just not worth going after them over it. By the time the lawsuits get settled, we'll be 3 generations on into new product designs.
Tim Cook, please stop the madness, stop lining the patent attorney's pockets with billions in legal fees, and just get back to outpacing everyone else, which you already know how to do! It's like you're inning a race and you're out in front, but instead of just running faster, you slow down so you can try to trip the guys behind you, it makes no sense. I'm a fan of Steve Jobs, but I think he was dead wrong on this point, letting his pride cloud his judgement on what was best for Apple, and even for the entire industy.
Tim Cook, please stop the madness, stop lining the patent attorney's pockets with billions in legal fees, and just get back to outpacing everyone else, which you already know how to do! It's like you're inning a race and you're out in front, but instead of just running faster, you slow down so you can try to trip the guys behind you, it makes no sense. I'm a fan of Steve Jobs, but I think he was dead wrong on this point, letting his pride cloud his judgement on what was best for Apple, and even for the entire industy.
Not likely
Given the simple nature of the patent, the probable answer is not really. The Patent was originally describing pagers, and shared data (wirelessly) between two pagers owned by the same person, so that appointments, contacts, etc would be shared from one device to another via wireless connectivity. The patent should never have been given, but if its accepted as a valid patent, I'm not sure its even possible to do what iCloud is supposed to do and not violate it unless you make them wired connection only. Every android phone and every blackberry for instance is "using" the patent as described as likely does the Windows phones. Any phone that pulls/shares its content with an email account on another computer is likely in violation of the patent.
-Tig
Given the simple nature of the patent, the probable answer is not really. The Patent was originally describing pagers, and shared data (wirelessly) between two pagers owned by the same person, so that appointments, contacts, etc would be shared from one device to another via wireless connectivity. The patent should never have been given, but if its accepted as a valid patent, I'm not sure its even possible to do what iCloud is supposed to do and not violate it unless you make them wired connection only. Every android phone and every blackberry for instance is "using" the patent as described as likely does the Windows phones. Any phone that pulls/shares its content with an email account on another computer is likely in violation of the patent.
-Tig
I see, I presumed that it was much more specific than that. What you describe means that it does not matter in which way you synchronize, it's the act of synchronizing wirelessly it self that is patented, which sounds absurd.
Mad-B-One
macrumors 6502a
Exactly! And that is why it is good that if Motorola / Google want them to stop using iCloud, they should have to put up a bond of $2.7bn to make sure that they don't do it just to get ahead of Apple on the German market. Because if the court finds that this is not infringing, Apple will get 2.7bn for losses plus another payment tor future losses because they lost market share to competitors. It could even end up being a FRAND violation if Motorola did not offer using this patent to Apple for FRAND prices - and we know that this can get expensive because it would prohibit competition.
Oletros
macrumors 603
fat jez
macrumors 68020
It's more about the synchronisation of message status. I.e. as the status changes on device, it is reflected on all the other devices. Motorola intended it for people who have multiple pagers that can all be reached on the same number. So a pager message that is read or deleted has this same state applied to all the other messages within the pager group.
I doubt it.
That means basically all apple products except iPod Shuffle, Nano, & Classic. All the rest, all macs, ipads, iphones ipod touches Apple TV, iTunes, iBookstore, iNewstand are icloud enabled. That means either pull cloud completely and offer no sync solution or redesign and develop a totally different system. In the mean time, loss of customers and loss of sales.
Either way, for us as customers we loose out.