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I don't like this phrase but I'm gonna say it: This is virtue signaling. Pure & simple. As aforementioned what about China? And the Uighurs? Go woke, go broke. Get this culture of wokeness out of Apple & let's encourage Apple to get its assembly of products out of China.
Apple is entitled to donate to causes it wants. It’s not responsible for the entire world. Or are you suggesting Apple shouldn’t do business in any local where there are inequities?
 
I’m not calling degrees worthless, I’m just agreeing with a blog post I saw. Personally I think a system that encourages non traditional applicants is more meritocratic than one gatekept by four years of extra school (treated as job training in our age), of which a quarter of it is irrelevant to a job in question.
Well it depends, those four years of higher education are free here so I expect it of an applicant. If you can't go through college and/or university to get a degree, why do I want to hire you?

Now if we are talking about someplace where it is all but impossible for much of the talent to get said degree, I'll be much more open to seeing what they have done purely on their own. However, do take it from someone doing the hiring. I have say fifty applications and two roles, I need to filter it down and why am I giving a job to someone that has a good Github profile with no degree vs someone that has a good Github profile and a masters degree?
 
You want to me to go raise a bunch of black kids?

LOL. Your posts on this topic simply aren’t serious.
You take "do something about it" as me asking you to personally raise a bunch of kids.... I mean aye, if you want you can go for it. Maybe you could mentor at the local school on the weekend and help kids with their homework.
 
Post whatever you want.
Okay, Sub-Saharan Africa was historically bypassed by trade going back to antiquity. Then, when colonial powers set up in the scramble for Africa, they would set up segregated societies bent on keeping white colonials in power. Once they left, they did so with no concern for the transfer of power, often leaving warlords to consolidate hold over territory. These warlords would consolidate power to their own family and friends with no regard for governance. Often when people organized for rights and justice they were brutally repressed, resulting in many genocides based on existing ethnic tensions.

Furthermore, the borders drawn by the colonial powers didn’t go away once the powers left. These borders, often separating ethnic groups are a continuous point of conflict between the powers that be.

Europe, on the other hand, has been stable for 75 years, and has since focused heavily on economic cooperation between states rather than using war as a balance of power between states. Peace has led to continued economic development, and cooperation has facilitated that in the modern era.

Historically, you cannot deny the racism evident in the colonial european powers which siphoned resources from the native populations by military force.
 
You take "do something about it" as me asking you to personally raise a bunch of kids.... I mean aye, if you want you can go for it. Maybe you could mentor at the local school on the weekend and help kids with their homework.

Yeah, I’m sure a few mentors in the inner cities will change everything. Good Lord.
 
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Okay, Sub-Saharan Africa was historically bypassed by trade going back to antiquity. Then, when colonial powers set up in the scramble for Africa, they would set up segregated societies bent on keeping white colonials in power. Once they left, they did so with no concern for the transfer of power, often leaving warlords to consolidate hold over territory. These warlords would consolidate power to their own family and friends with no regard for governance. Often when people organized for rights and justice they were brutally repressed, resulting in many genocides based on existing ethnic tensions.

Furthermore, the borders drawn by the colonial powers didn’t go away once the powers left. These borders, often separating ethnic groups are a continuous point of conflict between the powers that be.

Europe, on the other hand, has been stable for 75 years, and has since focused heavily on economic cooperation between states rather than using war as a balance of power between states. Peace has led to continued economic development, and cooperation has facilitated that in the modern era.

Historically, you cannot deny the racism evident in the colonial european powers which siphoned resources from the native populations by military force.

This is hilarious.

Europe and Japan were obliterated in the 1940s but created more wealth in the next 50 years than Africa has created in the past 1,000.
 
Well it depends, those four years of higher education are free here so I expect it of an applicant. If you can't go through college and/or university to get a degree, why do I want to hire you?

Now if we are talking about someplace where it is all but impossible for much of the talent to get said degree, I'll be much more open to seeing what they have done purely on their own. However, do take it from someone doing the hiring. I have say fifty applications and two roles, I need to filter it down and why am I giving a job to someone that has a good Github profile with no degree vs someone that has a good Github profile and a masters degree?
As a personal opinion, I believe that access to higher education has caused “education inflation” which people are expected to attain higher and higher levels of education for work that doesn’t require it. Four years of not earning money delays entry into the greater market and delays building wealth which is often necessary for retirement or a comfortable life.

To me, it makes economic sense to have as little barrier to jobs as possible. An employer is free to hire who they please of course, and an applicant with a degree is enticing over one without. But the question is how much better does a masters degree make a programmer over a bachelors? And how much better a bachelors over self taught?

In my opinion, if an employee shows good competency for a position, lack of a degree should not be a barrier. And historically it wasn’t, many people we regard as geniuses in their fields were self taught. We saw how powerful low barriers to gainful employment can be to the economy.

Granted, much of the economic drag (in the United States) right now is shackled to student debt, and free college would help rectify that, but I still have doubts about costs ballooning out of control.
 
Meanwhile, immigrants come here with the clothes on their back and somehow own businesses within a few years.

Only losers whine about things that happened 100 years ago to their ancestors.
Just so we are clear Apartheid in America was outlawed when I was a kid and decades later we still have systemic racism in many part of society.

Only losers don't want a fair shake for everyone. Only losers whine about fixing injustices that are done to others.

Me? A loser, if you only knew.
 
This is hilarious.

Europe and Japan were obliterated in the 1940s but created more wealth in the next 50 years than Africa has created in the past 1,000.
And Japan was colonized and exploited?

Africa has been or was occupied for hundreds of years by western nations that promoted infighting and a divide and conquer mentality. When it no longer suited them, they left corporations in charge of the natural resources and left a power vacuum.

Please
 
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This is hilarious.

Europe and Japan were obliterated in the 1940s but created more wealth in the next 50 years than Africa has created in the past 1,000.
Europe and Japan were rebuilt by the United States, and then brought in as equal trading partners and military allies.

If the same had been done to Africa, care had been taken to transfer power to the native population and trade been kept up, they would not be as impoverished as they are. Look for example at South Africa. When apartheid was ended peacefully and trade continued they continued to gain wealth.
 
So you’re not qualified for medical school. We’ll let you in anyway, and even give you an M.D. degree, and allow to you to “practice” on people.

Yeah, those are the doctors I want. 🙄
That's pretty much what is happening. Honestly, we need to find a social and color blind way to test and find the best and brightest and get resources to those people and stop wasting time and money on worthless stuff for education like sports.
 
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In many places in Africa, they’re still carrying jugs of water on their heads some 2,000 years after the aqueducts were built.

That’s not because of racism.

As for South Africa, you might want to read the news occasionally.
Maybe those aqueducts didn’t lead to where they were going? Either way, transportation of water has little to do with superiority or inferiority of people.

And yes, South Africa is not as stable as first world countries. But they aren’t ruled by warlords who only wish to hoard wealth and control. And as such have prospered with trade.

Here’s another factoid, Many African countries have high barriers to trade with each other, so much so that exporting raw materials across the world is cheaper than shipping it across borders! Trade creates wealth, that’s a fact. And unfavorable trading conditions leads to poverty.
 
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Maybe those aqueducts didn’t lead to where they were going? Either way, transportation of water has little to do with superiority or inferiority of people.

Please.

And yes, South Africa is not as stable as first world countries. But they aren’t ruled by warlords who only wish to hoard wealth and control. And as such have prospered with trade.

Again, read the news out of South Africa.

Here’s another factoid, Many African countries have high barriers to trade with each other, so much so that exporting raw materials across the world is cheaper than shipping it across borders! Trade creates wealth, that’s a fact. And unfavorable trading conditions leads to poverty.

Whose fault is this? Some racists in Europe or the U.S.?
 
You haven't purchased any products, tech or non-tech, manufactured or assembled in China?
No, don't trust products from China. I'm religious about it. From the tech side, I buy from USA when possible, if not, then countries like India, South Korea, places in South America. The best news was when Apple was talking about moving production to the USA but they bailed on that and I've pretty much not bought anything from them since then.
 
And yes, South Africa is not as stable as first world countries. But they aren’t ruled by warlords who only wish to hoard wealth and control. And as such have prospered with trade.
Dude, they are literally killing hundreds of people, looting, burning, and destroying. It's not that great of a situation.


 
The best news was when Apple was talking about moving production to the USA but they bailed on that and I've pretty much not bought anything from them since then.
but you did previously? as in when their production was in china and before they ever mentioned moving it to usa?..
 
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Whose fault is this? Some racists in Europe or the U.S.?
Don’t act as if history is not a factor. If fatherlessness can be a big factor history dwarfs it by far. Wealth takes time to build, as does functional institutions. Again, ethnic groups were divided by colonial borders, which haven’t changed despite colonial powers leaving. The resulting countries conflict with each other over said territories, this happens time and again wherever the colonial divisions happen, India, Arabia, Africa.


Dude, they are literally killing hundreds of people, looting, burning, and destroying. It's not that great of a situation.


I was speaking in a longer timespan, I should’ve made that clear. Compared to other African countries South Africa has been better over the period of when apartheid ended.
 
We have had periods before when more than 75% of kids grew up without fathers. Or have you forgotten all the world wars.
WWI saw roughly 3 million American males inducted out of a population of 103 million men. WWII saw roughly 10 million inducted out of a population of 137 million males. True: Much of the non-inducted males were beyond child-rearing age, but, likewise, many of those inducted were unmarried young men of just over high school age. Then you'd have to account for the highly-nuclear nature of families during those periods--where the absence of a father could be mitigated by the presence other family males (grandfathers, uncles, etc.)

I'd have to dive a lot more deeply into the demographic stats to produce even SWAG numbers for how many of those inducted and the totals likely being "father aged," but I highly doubt it would even approach 75%. Of course: If you have numbers to refute that, feel free to share.

You really want to make this into some sort of victim blame, that the lack of a father (or mother) is somehow a hindrance to success.
Mmmm... it's a bit more complicated than that, but there have been numerous peer-reviewed studies conducted to suggest just that--particularly as concerns fatherless males.
 
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That's pretty much what is happening. Honestly, we need to find a social and color blind way to test and find the best and brightest and get resources to those people and stop wasting time and money on worthless stuff for education like sports.
That is absolutely not happening.
What's happening is that there are.slots.for QUALIFIED people of color.

If you MCAT isn't up to snuff you do not get into medical school.
If your LSAT is not up to snuff you don't get in to law school.

Oh, unless you are white and a legacy.
I love how people perpetuate the lie that somehow Black and minority candidates only get I because of their color. You don't make it in the classes if you do not have the skills.

Color doesn't get a degree or does it pass the bar or medical boards. It sure didn't pass my engineering classes or design signal processors and CPUs for me.
 
Don’t act as if history is not a factor. If fatherlessness can be a big factor history dwarfs it by far. Wealth takes time to build, as does functional institutions. Again, ethnic groups were divided by colonial borders, which haven’t changed despite colonial powers leaving. The resulting countries conflict with each other over said territories, this happens time and again wherever the colonial divisions happen, India, Arabia, Africa.

Embarrassing. Africa isn’t poor because of racism or colonialism.

I was speaking in a longer timespan, I should’ve made that clear. Compared to other African countries South Africa has been better over the period of when apartheid ended.
Except for right now. That’s funny.
 
That is absolutely not happening.
What's happening is that there are.slots.for QUALIFIED people of color.

If you MCAT isn't up to snuff you do not get into medical school.
If your LSAT is not up to snuff you don't get in to law school.

Oh, unless you are white and a legacy.
I love how people perpetuate the lie that somehow Black and minority candidates only get I because of their color. You don't make it in the classes if you do not have the skills.

Color doesn't get a degree or does it pass the bar or medical boards. It sure didn't pass my engineering classes or design signal processors and CPUs for me.

Please. They’re getting rid of entrance exams and eliminating advanced classes at formerly top schools from coast to coast.
 
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