Same to you????
Edit: Just skimmed your post history. God dam you're a troll. Arguing errrrwhere. Ignored.
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Same to you????
Edit: Just skimmed your post history. God dam you're a troll. Arguing errrrwhere. Ignored.
Since Apple music has more tracks, a nice long trial, better social features and a family package spotify really have to step up to survive bearing in mind they are yet to turn a profit. Plus Apple music comes installed on every iOS device automatically.
Spotify has a free service, more subscriptions and much more friends in every platform outside appleland, which is most of the world.
Apple and iTunes in particular has much bigger market penetration than Spotify does. It has 800 million credit cards stored, assuming one user per credit card (and with families there could be more) that's 800 million users. If only 10% of them sign up to Apple Musics' streaming service, it'll be bigger than Spotify, that has 75 million users (only 25 million of which pay). Make no mistake, Spotify has it's work cut out for it.
Spotify subscribers: 20 million paying and 55 million free
People who like music: BILLIONS
Yeah... Spotify is setting the world on fire!
Spotify subscribers: 20 million paying and 55 million free
People who like music: BILLIONS
Yeah... Spotify is setting the world on fire!
Windows desktop + Android phones will prefer Spotify, and you know it. And those are, by far, much more users than apple has. This is not a walled garden, this is a cross-platform war. Obviously Apple Music will have an enormous number of registered users when it starts since it will come by default on iOs and Os X, but the truth will come after the 3 months trial.
This is more or less like saying iCloud drive will become more popular than Dropbox just because every Apple user has iCloud drive.
Will Apple earn more money? Maybe. Will it be more popular without a free service? I doubt it a lot. There's world outside the US, look at how the iMessage is doing vs WhatsApp, iCloud drive vs Dropbox...
Not sure I can agree with any of this. Why would an Android user prefer Spotify? There's no advantage, other than just hating on Apple because their phone is not an iPhone. Just because some Windows users don't care for iTunes doesn't mean that Apple Music won't be a hit on Windows desktops. Once again, with Windows there's no advantage being on Spotify.
With windows there's no advantage being on spotify he says
The desktop free versions of Spotify are the most powerful, not like the smartphone free versions which have several limitations. Have you ever tried spotify?Windows users use to hate Apple. Android users with powerful smartphones use to hate Apple. If you live in lollipop land and think they all will be installing apple music, time will tell, but I think you're very wrong.
It will be another service more from apple to add value to their own hardware, nothing more. Normal people don't give a **** about artists having more or less money, what people like is to pay as less as possible and have a nice UI and good enough content. Once again, there's world outside the US, nowhere outside the US, as far as I know, is normal for the middle class to spend that absurd kind of money on every service available.
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With windows there's no advantage being on spotify he says
Windows users use to hate Apple. Android users with powerful smartphones use to hate Apple. If you live in lollipop land and think they all will be installing apple music, time will tell, but I think you're very wrong.
It will be another service more from apple to add value to their own hardware, nothing more. Normal people don't give a **** about artists having more or less money man.
Okay, first, you need to be a whole lot less rude and cut out the profanity. I replied you in a respectful tone.
You're going by who hated who. That doesn't mean squat. I honestly can't stand Microsoft but today they had an amazing conference for the Xbox and I had nothing but praise for them.
The new CEO is correcting a lot of Steve Ballmer's wrongs so I can always change how I feel about Microsoft. If you think people sit around on competing platforms and shun Apple over something stupid and decide not to download Music on their Androids, then those people are quite shallow and I can tell you with conviction that you are very wrong sir.
There are plenty of people on this very forum that hate Microsoft like I do but they still use Mac Office and pay for Office 365. Very silly of people to go with Spotify just because they are not using an iPhone or Mac. Sigh.
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Well if you work somewhere you use Office for sure since they have the monopoly the same as Windows is the OS for industrial purposes -and mostly desktop machines in general-. The strange thing would be the contrary. If you want to figure out what other platforms' users think about Apple Music go to an Android or Windows forum, and check it out for yourself. And those are the ones who are into technology and know about apps which don't come preinstalled.
Keep in mind that Os X is a niche OS, and Android has a much bigger market share than iOs. Be realistic.
I like Apple very much and all my hardware is from Apple, but that doesn't make me blind.
I would say you are blind....to the real world. Every person I know with a Windows PC (and there are plenty) uses iTunes and they don't sit around complaining about it, like techies and geeks on forums. Also forums (including this one) hardly represent even 1/10th of a percent of the consumer buying market so that's nonsense about what forum members are saying.
Those are Android Fanboys (or Fandroids) and of course they will speak badly about Apple as many people here do about Android. Doesn't mean many Mac users with iPads don't have an Android Smartphone. Your logic is so flawed.
And please drop your ignorance. The Mac OS is NOT a niche product. It's the preferred platform in major music recording studios. FYI, most of the music in Spotify was most likely recorded on a Mac. Schools, colleges and many corporate institutions use Macs and infuse them with Windows machines.
Hmm, you don't know a monopoly is. Another form of your ignorance.
I would say you should reconsider everything you just have said. That's not even true in the US, the Mac's stronghold. But in addition it happens to be that the US is less than 5% the global population. Here you go:
Talking about hardware, not even in the US
Worldwide, 6%?
Anything more? Have you ever lived outside the US btw for calling someone ignorant so easily? Because when you say schools, colleges... use Macs, it's quite laughable. I would say in the UK or in Portugal and Japan residually, but they're not the norm by a long long way. Simply because it would be an enormous waste of resources, because Apple's hardware is very expensive. I would say by your words, again, that you've drinked too much of apple's cool aid and live out of reality. And the funny thing is that you think it's exactly the opposite.
The Mac OS is OF COURSE a niche OS. And iOs not much more, it only can be defended by saying that statistics do not separate smartphones by their price range.
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Preach it brother!!! Show us really how Anti-Apple you are. Don't strain yourself working so hard showing it. Thanks much.I would say you should reconsider everything you just have said. That's not even true in the US, the Mac's stronghold. But in addition it happens to be that the US is less than 5% the global population. Here you go:
Talking about hardware, not even in the US
Worldwide, 6%?
Anything more? Have you ever lived outside the US btw for calling someone ignorant so easily? Because when you say schools, colleges... use Macs, it's quite laughable. I would say in the UK or in Portugal and Japan residually, but they're not the norm by a long long way. Simply because it would be an enormous waste of resources, because Apple's hardware is very expensive. I would say by your words, again, that you've drinked too much of apple's cool aid and live out of reality. And the funny thing is that you think it's exactly the opposite.
The Mac OS is OF COURSE a niche OS. And iOs not much more, it only can be defended by saying that statistics do not separate smartphones by their price range.
Preach it brother!!! Show us really how Anti-Apple you are. Don't strain yourself working so hard showing it. Thanks much.
If you think lying makes you a higher level Apple fan, go on.
Here was my point:
Spotify only has 75 million users... and that's out of billions of people.
That doesn't sound very popular at all.
Where is most of the world getting their music? It's not from Spotify.
I would say most of the world is getting their music from radio stations, although I don't have official data. But then if you consider 1 of every 5 citizens of the world are chinese, piracy seems very important too:
These countries have nearly half the world population. But when it comes to streaming, yes, Spotify and Youtube are probably the most popular. I don't see a 10$/month streaming service becoming more popular than others which are well marketed and free, but we'll see, as I said. Maybe suddenly all that chinese, indian, russian and european people who don't pay at all for music start paying 10$/month because they feel bad for the artists, hey, why not. In the US it's normal so it will be everywhere because in the US is normal!!
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I would say most of the world is getting their music from radio stations, although I don't have official data. But then if you consider 1 of every 5 citizens of the world are chinese, piracy seems very important too:
These countries have nearly half the world population. But when it comes to streaming, yes, Spotify and Youtube are probably the most popular. I don't see a 10$/month streaming service becoming more popular than others which are well marketed and free, but we'll see, as I said.
Earlier you were going on and on about Spotify (more subscribers, more platforms, etc)....
Yet streaming isn't very big in the grand scheme of things. That's all I was saying.
My first reply to you was sarcasm... Spotify is apparently not setting the world on fire.
As someone who is pretty bipartisan to tech, I will say that I can't stand iTunes on my Windows PCs. That said, I currently have a Spotify trial on my iPhone and haven't even looked into the Windows app yet.
My wife and I both have an iPhone 6. I have an Apple Watch. Apple TV and we only rent VOD through iTunes on there.
Then we each have a Surface Pro 3. My main desktop that I use for filmmaking is an HP that I've upgraded to all hell. i7 extreme. Good video card, good sound card. 24gigs ram. Bluray burner.
I pay for Dropbox even though I have some iCloud features, full MS OneDrive features, and even Adobe Creative Cloud storage. The superior, cross platform services usually win out for me. This is also why I use Wunderlist and OneNote.
Apple has the best app ecosystem and ease of use with iOS... So they've got me on mobile... And I would have probably switched to a desktop at some point if it weren't for fear that Apple is simply doing too well catering to the casual user. It is scary to switch at a time when Apple killed Aperture and all but burned Final Cut to the ground. As an indie filmmaker, it used to be a joke if you weren't using Final Cut... Today, I don't know a single filmmaker that isn't on Premiere. (On the other side of the coin, I don't know a single filmmaker whose sound ISN'T done in ProTools... I use Reaper).
I am an exception though. I want all of my mobile/smart devices to be stupidly simple but I want my desktop to be highly tweaked, easily repaired and easily upgraded. Apple takes a lot of stances in the name of pushing technology further, but they are almost always too early. I bought my PC with a bluray burner built in many years ago... Before external BD burners existed. I get Apple's stand that streaming is the future, but I've created an entire film career out of that bluray burner. Sure, I sent a ton of Vimeo screeners, but I also sent hundreds of blus. We screened off of blurays at over 50 film festivals. I handed out review copies. All thanks to a technology Apple refused to ever acknowledge. Not an issue now that external burners are cheap, but it was an issue several years ago when I was willing to plop down $3k on a new editing rig. So Windows had me for a few years because of that.
Then the Surface Pro 3. Man I love that thing. I love the pen. Don't take any physical notes any more. Can run full Adobe Premiere to make little promo vids on the road. It is a slick device that replaced my laptop and real paper. I haven't even installed iTunes on my Surface and haven't missed it. It is a bloated mess for sure.
Not meaning to bash Apple. Windows phone is a joke. Had a PS3 and PS4 not X-boxes. LOVE the Apple Watch after having a glitchy Pebble Steel.
There are platform agnostic people though and I definitely take that into account when I use services.
My wife and I both have an iPhone 6. I have an Apple Watch. Apple TV and we only rent VOD through iTunes on there.
Then we each have a Surface Pro 3. My main desktop that I use for filmmaking is an HP that I've upgraded to all hell. i7 extreme. Good video card, good sound card. 24gigs ram. Bluray burner.
I pay for Dropbox even though I have some iCloud features, full MS OneDrive features, and even Adobe Creative Cloud storage. The superior, cross platform services usually win out for me. This is also why I use Wunderlist and OneNote.
Apple has the best app ecosystem and ease of use with iOS... So they've got me on mobile... And I would have probably switched to a desktop at some point if it weren't for fear that Apple is simply doing too well catering to the casual user. It is scary to switch at a time when Apple killed Aperture and all but burned Final Cut to the ground. As an indie filmmaker, it used to be a joke if you weren't using Final Cut... Today, I don't know a single filmmaker that isn't on Premiere. (On the other side of the coin, I don't know a single filmmaker whose sound ISN'T done in ProTools... I use Reaper).
I am an exception though. I want all of my mobile/smart devices to be stupidly simple but I want my desktop to be highly tweaked, easily repaired and easily upgraded. Apple takes a lot of stances in the name of pushing technology further, but they are almost always too early. I bought my PC with a bluray burner built in many years ago... Before external BD burners existed. I get Apple's stand that streaming is the future, but I've created an entire film career out of that bluray burner. Sure, I sent a ton of Vimeo screeners, but I also sent hundreds of blus. We screened off of blurays at over 50 film festivals. I handed out review copies. All thanks to a technology Apple refused to ever acknowledge. Not an issue now that external burners are cheap, but it was an issue several years ago when I was willing to plop down $3k on a new editing rig. So Windows had me for a few years because of that.
Then the Surface Pro 3. Man I love that thing. I love the pen. Don't take any physical notes any more. Can run full Adobe Premiere to make little promo vids on the road. It is a slick device that replaced my laptop and real paper. I haven't even installed iTunes on my Surface and haven't missed it. It is a bloated mess for sure.
Not meaning to bash Apple. Windows phone is a joke. Had a PS3 and PS4 not X-boxes. LOVE the Apple Watch after having a glitchy Pebble Steel.
There are platform agnostic people though and I definitely take that into account when I use services.
I didn't say Spotify is the world's main music provider, I just said it looks like it will be the most popular music streaming service, and because of very important reasons. Most of the people don't stream music at all because they download it for free via piracy, podcasts or they simply listen to radio stations.
Streaming music implies having that service available in your country, having a high speed mobile internet connection, a quite capable smartphone... and these things are not as common as one would think. If you consider 90% of the music in china is pirate, I don't think betting for a paid service is reasonable when there's a free service which is, btw, very good.
Again, people around the world are not used to the american way of using and understanding money: here you go, x $ for icloud space, x$ for streaming music, x$ for cable tv, x$ for netflix, leased luxury car... that's a very american, ultra wasteful, attitude.
Other music streaming also has free periods where they pay royalties and no ads. It's called the cost of doing business to get more people to sign up.
I was thinking of signing up to check it out, but since the people who actually create the content aren't getting paid, I will stick to my other paid services that have always paid and continue to pay the royalties.
What is this record store you speak of?
But in all seriousness, surely you can agree there's a difference in the business models for a steaming service vs a B&M store that sells a physical product.
So you're philosophy is "As long as somebody else is paying the artists and not me....SMH"
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This little piece is disturbing. Not because of what it says, but because of what it doesn't say. It reads as if it says at the end of the trial you will be billed automatically regardless. Once you're billed that first time, you can then cancel by turning off auto-renewal. IF that't the case, then it's not a 90 day free trial. It's basically 90 days at $3.33 per month. Apple needs to clarify or I'm not letting my daughter try this. Hopefully someone else can find where Apple explains precisely what this means. As it stands, that little piece of info is too ambiguous for my taste.
Beats is much more clear: https://support.beatsmusic.com/hc/en-us/articles/200459460-Will-I-be-charged-once-my-trial-is-over-
No, you will not be automatically charged for service when your trial is over. Once your 14 Day trial is finished, you will need to sign up for a monthly or yearly plan to continue using Beats Music.
Even Google Play All Access is more clearly defined: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/3122088?hl=en
You won't be billed for trying out the services during your introductory trial period. If you don't cancel your subscription before the end of that trial, you will start to be billed. Once you’ve canceled your one-time free trial, your account will no longer have the option to try a subscription for free
It clearly states you can cancel the trial at any point before it ends and avoid billing. Heck, you can even finagle an additional month out of All Access by cancelling after the first billing:
Once the monthly subscription fee has been charged at the start of a new billing cycle, you have 7 working days (14 days for users in the European Union) from the start of your first paid billing cycle to cancel your subscription for a refund.
When you cancel your subscription, you can continue using your subscription until the end of the billing period during which you cancel. After the end of that billing period, you won't be able to access subscription features or music content. If you don't cancel within the time period eligible for a refund, you won't be refunded for the billing period during which you cancel.
After you've canceled your account, if you subscribe again, your radio stations, playlists and music will be restored.
If anyone finds any info about cancelling the Apple Music trial, I'd really appreciate the info. I want to let my daughter try it out, but if it's going to be an auto-charge regardless of my decision to let her keep it, she can keep riding on my All Access.
Spotify may be the most popular on-demand streaming service... but streaming, itself, is not a very popular way of consuming music. That's what I was saying.
But congrats to Spotify.
And hasn't Spotify been largely unchallenged in this industry? We've had things like Pandora and others... but they are radio services.
It will be interesting to see how another big on-demand streaming service will play out.
Spotify has already convinced 20 million people to pony up $10 a month.
If they can do that... I don't think Apple will have a problem getting doing the same. (not that it's a contest or anything
)Services typically have an ongoing monthly fee.
You cannot "buy" an iCloud or a Netflix or a cable tv... you can only subscribe to them
