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That's just silly. You can still call a decision stupid without implying the tiresome doomed argument attached. Apple could quit the Mac business altogether and still not be doomed.


How would developers develop for the iPhone if there were no Macs?

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Apart from Emojis are decided by Unicode, not Apple. All they did was add support for what's coming in Unicode 8.

The list may be, i.e. Unicode give a description of the emoji but Apple would still have to design them.
 
99% do you have any source material to back up that assessment or is that your opinion. I disagree that 99% of mac users will be fine with Photos.



Btw, plugins/extensions won't be available in version 1. I don't have the link but I read somewhere that will be in a future version.


I believe Pixelmator are having an update ready for launch of Photos, or soon after, that will tie into Photos.

What makes you say Aperture wasn't making money, it was always in the top grossing app list - Apple has removed it I assume so that it doesn't show any more


Well it's just logical. If it was making a profit, they'd have kept it going, so they'd get income from that, plus the iCloud Drive income. Double whammy.
 
Wow! You know Photos is essentially a portal to FORCE users to pay for overpriced cloud storage. It's hardly free for those who can think beyond the shinny object Apple puts in front of them.

Why does the new Photos App FORCE me to pay for cloud storage?
You can still use it like iPhoto or Aperture, with local Libraries on your HD.
Cloud storage is an OPTION in photos, not an requirement!
 
Well it's just logical. If it was making a profit, they'd have kept it going, so they'd get income from that, plus the iCloud Drive income. Double whammy.

Not necessarily. Apple was making money from OS X yet they began giving them away for free. If they believe replacing something that costs with something that's free will eventually get more people into their ecosystem, they go for it.

Aperture is too old, so it needed a complete rewrite like Final Cut Pro anyway, and I bet Apple just decided to replace the whole thing with a new app. Photos won't be an Aperture replacement but if it works much faster and easier than Aperture for the majority of amateur photographers it may get more photographers into the Apple ecosystem, and Apple may eventually bring Photos into the Aperture level.
 
I've been rating photos with stars for years, firstly in iPhoto and then in Aperture. Will this metadata simply be thrown away if I import?

Not quite-- the stars will be converted to keywords assigned to photos, like "1 star", "2 star", etc. It's not ideal but at least it's not lost completely.

How about keywords?

Keywords are imported just fine.

How does Photos handle multiple libraries?

I haven't tried switching libraries, but it's probably like iPhoto. You can't switch on the fly or merge libraries like Aperture though. Apple really wants you to use the cloud.

How does Photos utilise a second display?

Oh, haven't tried that one yet.

I think that this is just a sample of my anxious questions. Sounds like I will be using Apeture for a while. I would welcome a rethought Photos Pro X.

Photos is no replacement for Aperture. It adds a bunch of functionality over iPhoto but is missing pretty much the entire RAW processing workflow of Aperture.
 
Not necessarily. Apple was making money from OS X yet they began giving them away for free. If they believe replacing something that costs with something that's free will eventually get more people into their ecosystem, they go for it.



Aperture is too old, so it needed a complete rewrite like Final Cut Pro anyway, and I bet Apple just decided to replace the whole thing with a new app. Photos won't be an Aperture replacement but if it works much faster and easier than Aperture for the majority of amateur photographers it may get more photographers into the Apple ecosystem, and Apple may eventually bring Photos into the Aperture level.


OSX is not the same tho. It wasn't something they had an option to drop.

If Aperture was making any worthwhile profit, they would have done what was needed to keep it going.
 
Eh, I'll just switch to Lightroom then. Vote with your wallet.

Technically there's little voting with your wallet (other then buying more iCloud space) since the app is free.

That being said, I'd say a number of aperture users have already or will transition over to something else other then Photos. I myself moved to LR
 
Do you guys notice just how much Apple is making OS X resemble iOS (especially with Yosemite)? I think Apple is slowly trying to make OS X & iOS one-in-the-same.

You really don't get it do you? The main reason why Apple had trouble getting iPhone users to switch from Windows machines to a Mac is because they were already familiar with Windows and they didn't want to switch to an OS that they had to learn all over again.
It's much easier for switchers and the rest of us that use OS X exclusively to use an iOS device with our Macs without having to completely change our way of production. Having iOS and OS X similar in design and operation only increases productivity.

But keep going with your theory....:p
 
Too bad, I'll miss Aperture.

I won't.

I'll continue to use it, as I have for the past several years, transitioning to Photos for OS X as its capability begin to match or exceed what Aperture can do now.

I'm also looking forward to see what third-party plugin developers will be doing for Photos as time goes on.

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have you used aperture or photos??

photos is dumbed down crap!

Not really; work with it for a while; it's got a lot of promise, just not realized fully today.

yes its free
yes its better than iPhoto
but its no aperture replacement

Not yet. Give it time. You can still use Aperture until Photos catches up and passes it.

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Seriously ??
Why would apple do this ?

Aperture is a good product and they make money off of it.... So why get if of it?

Because they can make a better, faster, better-performing replacement.

Which means a clean-sheet replacement; keep using Aperture until Photos catches up with it.

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Yes, I understand that 'Photos' is a system level way of handling images.

Why couldn't a 'final' version of Aperture make use of this 'step forward'?

Because it would require ripping out and replacing a lot of Aperture's core code to benefit from the performance offered with new system services. I've worked at companies that have tried to do similar things with existing legacy applications and tools, when tossing out the old and replacing it with a complete rewrite turned out to be better in the long run.
 
You don't have to use iCloud. This has been discussed multiple times. You can keep you library locally or even move it somewhere else. Heck put in your Dropbox.

The most prominent feature (cloud storage and accessibility across all devices) is useless without an upgraded iCloud plan. These products are geared toward pushing people toward paid cloud storage.
 
I'll stick to Lightroom and Capture One thanks!

I use Aperture, Capture One, DxO and Lightroom; different tools for different jobs, as needed.

I wouldn't mind dropping Lightroom and DxO Photo Suite, etc. if better tools show up.
 
Why does the new Photos App FORCE me to pay for cloud storage?
You can still use it like iPhoto or Aperture, with local Libraries on your HD.
Cloud storage is an OPTION in photos, not an requirement!

Perhaps I overstated "forced", but to use it as intended with shared content across devices it will cost a lot. But the commenter I was responding to hailed this as a great free program and nobody should complain. Well, as an aperture user I am going to complain. This is a magnitude less functional, and in it's place is a feature geared at selling cloud storage.
 
I don't think Apple's aim is to keep pro's. That's why they are helping people transfer from Aperture to Lightroom,

No, Apple is not "helping people transfer from Aperture to Lightroom".

That would be Adobe, who see an opportunity to bind more users to their products.
 
OSX is not the same tho. It wasn't something they had an option to drop.

If Aperture was making any worthwhile profit, they would have done what was needed to keep it going.

Again, not necessarily. Creating a new app like Photos and updating it later on like FCP X might be cheaper for Apple than updating Aperture and generate revenue anyway.
 
Has anyone switched over to photos and then had trouble getting their pics to download to their IOS devices? I migrated from Aperture to Photos, uploaded my entire library but the download to my IOS devices keeps stopping and there seems to be no way to force the download to continue. Thanks
 
The most prominent feature (cloud storage and accessibility across all devices) is useless without an upgraded iCloud plan. These products are geared toward pushing people toward paid cloud storage.


Not really. A lot of people I know have barely used half of the free 5Gb. I have though. Think the average person will be fine.

Again, not necessarily. Creating a new app like Photos and updating it later on like FCP X might be cheaper for Apple than updating Aperture and generate revenue anyway.


Ok, now it seems like you're going back on your original point?!
 
Can anyone using Photos let me/us know if it has the slideshow feature Aperture has? I switched to Lightroom when Aperture was discontinued, but still plan on using Aperture for the slideshow (Lightroom's version is simply lacking).

Good point. It is going to be comparatively difficult to use PS and LR with iCloud Photo Library and sync across all your devices. The market will force Pro's to change to workflow to stay competitive.

No, Adobe already has their version if iCloud that syncs Lightroom desktop and Lightroom Mobile.

Not really. A lot of people I know have barely used half of the free 5Gb. I have though. Think the average person will be fine.




Ok, now it seems like you're going back on your original point?!

My wife and I already had to disable photo backups because it put us over our quota and our phones stopped getting backed up (separate accounts). I admit I get confused if "icloud photo" uses the same space as the iOS backups, but I'm under the impression it's all one small quota.
 
This doesn't make any sense. Photos is a good replacement for iPhoto but it's not a Pro Tool. I can't imagine photographers being able to do advance photo editing on Photos.

What a lot of people are hung up on is the definition of 'Pro Tool'.
Over the last 20 years the prosumer market has taken the lionshare of the market. What constitutes a 'pro' isn't the same definition as it was 20 years ago.

Hell, many 'pros' on MacRumors bitch and moan about the iMac not being up to 'pro' standards but you walk into many tech companies/startups and you will see designers and programmers working away on iMacs.
 
It's not about Pro - Photos doesn't even satisfy any ambitious amateur or semi pro. It is a fine tool for people using Smartphones and cheap junk cameras.
 
Images

When Apple announced the end of Aperture Support you should have moved to LightRoom (or your favorite choice) as soon as it was ready to make the transition smooth.

Photos is simply iPhoto that works. It's for iPhone Images, and people who shoot everything in Auto Mode in .jpeg.

What's wrong with that? Absolutly nothing. The vast majority of people using Photos for their images will be very happy.

Aperture is gone. Move on. There are plenty of options for those who need the tools. Still want your "predicted" Apple Ecosystem feel? Just import them back into Photos as .jpeg's.

Aperture was about helping people make images. Photos is about Point and Shoot and selling iPhones. It's about returning the cash to the shareholder.

No products that actually benefit people without a 38% Margin. ;)
 
Is there a way to save the Aperture installer like a CD? Since I've paid for the Software, I think I should be allowed to keep it for possible clean-installing as long as I'd like. I'm worried about that scenario, if it's not going to be available for re-download from the App Store. :)
 
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