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But the difference between this and "Antennagate" is that the battery issue is a legitimate problem as opposed to a bunch of hipsters complaining about bad signal reception despite living in hovels under elevated train tracks in Brooklyn.

Which roughly translates as:

"I didn't have the antenna problem but I do have the battery problem."
 
But the difference between this and "Antennagate" is that the battery issue is a legitimate problem as opposed to a bunch of hipsters complaining about bad signal reception despite living in hovels under elevated train tracks in Brooklyn.

No, I think you believe this because you didn't own an iPhone 4 and perhaps now own an iPhone 4S and are actually affected by the issue.
 
Has anyone else besides me seen the iOS 5 update actually increase their battery life?

I have a iPhone 4 (not a 4s) and since I installed iOS 5, my battery life has been noticeably better then before. I used to get through the day with about 10 to 30 percent battery left, now it is more like 25 to 50 percent. Since I have been running on 5 since the day after it came out, I am pretty sure that this is not just a short term anomaly.
 
Look, its OBVIOUS, the 4S will not get same battery life as 4. The question is what is acceptable for the bump in specs. People can't complain the iPhone is not keeping up to snuff spec wise with Android but then complain when Apple bumps specs but battery suffers. Any phone going from single to dual core will eat more battery. But some of these claims of excessive battery drain are ridiculous. Not ridiculous in that they are happening but ridiculous in that clearly the settings are not normal (or the install is corrupt). To prove this point, i have set up my phone as new and installed back all my apps, photos and music. If someone else wants to test phone to phone, then do the same, and then i am happy to do a simple test. Set all our location and notification settings the same. Then:

1) Start Pandora in the background on wifi
2) We can iMessage back and forth for 10 minutes straight.

There is no way the phone battery life drops more than 5%.

I did a complete reformat of my phone and turned off icloud, locations, installed no apps, no music, no nothing.

All I had on was cellular signal and WiFi in standby mode and it drained 5% in 30 mins. You can deny all you want and good for you that you don't have any problems. But there IS something terribly wrong with some phones.
 
I did a complete reformat of my phone and turned off icloud, locations, installed no apps, no music, no nothing.

All I had on was cellular signal and WiFi in standby mode and it drained 5% in 30 mins. You can deny all you want and good for you that you don't have any problems. But there IS something terribly wrong with some phones.

My friend, i didn't deny anything. But I'm not gonna get into anything with you. Feel free to vent all you want, thats why these forums are here. I just did a similar test, but had my usual setup. Phone was buzzing with notification emails and lock screen coming on. On wifi in my office. 20 mins and still at 100%.

My only point was, always possible faulty phone, but that is much more rare. Its all about setup (or corrupt install) and other exogenous factors. Something in your setup is causing issues. For example, if your phone is in weak 3G, it could be constantly switching towers. Do the same test somewhere else and see if same things. Diagnose. Still may be OS related in that something in the OS is not optimized properly but most people do not understand the software/hardware interplay of mobile hardware. Nor do they know how to properly diagnose and test. Not saying you don't and I'm not running anything in...im simply pointing out there are sooo many factors that influence battery life. Im sorry you are having issues.
 
Has anyone else besides me seen the iOS 5 update actually increase their battery life?

I have a iPhone 4 (not a 4s) and since I installed iOS 5, my battery life has been noticeably better then before. I used to get through the day with about 10 to 30 percent battery left, now it is more like 25 to 50 percent. Since I have been running on 5 since the day after it came out, I am pretty sure that this is not just a short term anomaly.
Mine and others did... for like a week, then it started using the battery like crazy :rolleyes: . My battery life was way better after the update, now it's way worse.
 
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If apple had revealed the fact that the 4s has a considerably shorter lifespan, I could make an informed choice. They claim (in usage) that the 4 and 4s are very similar in consumption when I am seeing at least a 30 to 40% difference which doesn't seem to have been rectified in this latest update from what people are saying.

That's what annoys me.
 
Just curious if AT&T got there 4G icon in the 5.0.1 beta....?

I hope not. I don't mind seeing H or H+ while its is on HSPA+ but no 4G please. Even though the ITU moved the bar down and let HSPA+ be considered 4G it just feels like how EDGE got bumped up to be considered 3G when clearly it was not.

I turned off a lot of the notifications I don't use, disabled push email and set to 15 minutes, and disabled my location services until I actually use it. The time to first fix on the GPS is so fast now it doesn't even matter anymore. Just keep it off and save your battery, turn it on when you need it and it's there.
 
My friend, i didn't deny anything. But I'm not gonna get into anything with you. Feel free to vent all you want, thats why these forums are here. I just did a similar test, but had my usual setup. Phone was buzzing with notification emails and lock screen coming on. On wifi in my office. 20 mins and still at 100%.

My only point was, always possible faulty phone, but that is much more rare. Its all about setup (or corrupt install) and other exogenous factors. Something in your setup is causing issues. For example, if your phone is in weak 3G, it could be constantly switching towers. Do the same test somewhere else and see if same things. Diagnose. Still may be OS related in that something in the OS is not optimized properly but most people do not understand the software/hardware interplay of mobile hardware. Nor do they know how to properly diagnose and test. Not saying you don't and I'm not running anything in...im simply pointing out there are sooo many factors that influence battery life. Im sorry you are having issues.

I see your point:) Have tried it several different places so def. not a location specific problem.

I think it is a problem with certain features under certain circumstances. I have currently upgraded to 5.0.1 again and turned off selected features like bluetooth, email notification, email checking and a few others.

So far it is looking like it made things alot better in standbymode.

Im glad for those who have no problems, but for alot of people there are issues in varying degree and atleast for me it helps to hear what other people have tested and tried even though as you say there is no way to know what their results are based on or if they are not biased:)
 
I updated to 5.0.1 last night, and it seemed the batter was worse. However, when the phone got to 1%, it stayed there for about an hour. I was watching Hulu over wifi tryin I kill the battery. Hopefully today it will be better now that the battery has been recalibrated again.

I hope not. I don't mind seeing H or H+ while its is on HSPA+ but no 4G please. Even though the ITU moved the bar down and let HSPA+ be considered 4G it just feels like how EDGE got bumped up to be considered 3G when clearly it was not.

I turned off a lot of the notifications I don't use, disabled push email and set to 15 minutes, and disabled my location services until I actually use it. The time to first fix on the GPS is so fast now it doesn't even matter anymore. Just keep it off and save your battery, turn it on when you need it and it's there.

Edge was never considered 3G. Idk where the hell you get that information.
 
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If they had issued a patch today, I'd feel bad for taking my died-every-night 4S back to Sprint.

"A Few Weeks", not so much.

Wow, impatient much? Have fun with your HTC crap phone that dies every 4 hours.

Sprint only has a 14 day return window. If he got his 4S on launch weekend, this news of an update just being tested to see if it fixes the problem would have come out after his return window expired. There was no way to know whether it was a faulty phone, a fixable bug, or just a wierd issue with that device on that carrier in his particular area. He was wise to return it!

Once they fix it, he can always get another and see if it's better. I did the saem thing - 2 of the 3 we bought had very poor battery life (one was unusable because the standby time was around 5 hours). We returned them all (waiting for my account to show the return credit still) and are going to switch carriers and get a new batch of phone which will hopefully fix the problems we had from either a different/better hardware batch, new software, or different/better network coverage.
 
I believe the update fix from apple whit the 5.0.1 FW will resolve the standby drains that many people suffer around, but will not do anything for the people like me who complain not from standby drain, but from exagerated usage drain, like texting and browsing excessive drain, and why?

This.

I've said before my standby time couldn't be any better. If I didn't touch the phone at all, I would lose about 1% per day, if even. But as soon as I start doing anything, whether its browsing on wifi, 3g, or just swiping from home screen to home screen with no purpose, I lose 1% every minute and a half.
 
battery has never been better for me. maybe this will make it even better than batter...?
 
This.

I've said before my standby time couldn't be any better. If I didn't touch the phone at all, I would lose about 1% per day, if even. But as soon as I start doing anything, whether its browsing on wifi, 3g, or just swiping from home screen to home screen with no purpose, I lose 1% every minute and a half.

The issues are likely seperate. One is a bug (standby drain) - something is running in the background eating up processor cycles and battery. The other is an optimization issue (use drain) - there could be better logic which scales down the clock speed/disables a CPU core when it's not needed. This is something Apple COULD improve (how much depends on the types of changes the hardware allows the OS to make in realtime) with future updates, so lets hope they do.
 
Looking forward to it. I don't consider my battery life to be that bad but I can always use more.
 
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