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So lets talk about how bad Sonos really is. I can not cast to it from anything period but the Sonos App.

Uh, I cast just fine from the Spotify app to the Sonos 5. Maybe look it up. Works fine. Stop spreading misinformation.
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You really don't understand how Sonos works. You can't cast to Sonos from anything, period. Not even the Sonos app. The whole point of Sonos is it pulls the streams from the source on its own. The app is merely a remote control. This way, you can walk away from it, disconnect your phone from wifi, have your phone battery die, leave it on for your pet when you're out of the house, etc. The app is just the UI to control it, the Sonos itself streams from Spotify/AppleMusic/Pandora/NPR/whatever.

It's funny you mention Chromecast as being something better, because Chromecast works the same way. When you go on Netflix and "cast" it to a Chromecast, you're actually only passing a command to the Chromecast to go to Netflix and stream the show/movie on its own. After that, you can turn your phone off and it will continue to play the show/movie.

Bluetooth and AirPlay both require the phone to actively participate in the stream, which is bad. With bluetooth, if you walk away, the music stops. With AirPlay, if you go outside of wifi range, the music stops. With both, if your phone battery dies, the music stops. With both, you can't leave the music on while you are away from home (e.g., for pets, elderly folks, or for general business ambience.)

I like Sonos because they are platform agnostic - no matter what the "best" service will be tomorrow, Sonos will support it. I also like Sonos because it's not dependent on my phone to work.
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You really don't understand how Sonos works. You can't cast to Sonos from anything, period. Not even the Sonos app. The whole point of Sonos is it pulls the streams from the source on its own. The app is merely a remote control. This way, you can walk away from it, disconnect your phone from wifi, have your phone battery die, leave it on for your pet when you're out of the house, etc. The app is just the UI to control it, the Sonos itself streams from Spotify/AppleMusic/Pandora/NPR/whatever.

It's funny you mention Chromecast as being something better, because Chromecast works the same way. When you go on Netflix and "cast" it to a Chromecast, you're actually only passing a command to the Chromecast to go to Netflix and stream the show/movie on its own. After that, you can turn your phone off and it will continue to play the show/movie.

Bluetooth and AirPlay both require the phone to actively participate in the stream, which is bad. With bluetooth, if you walk away, the music stops. With AirPlay, if you go outside of wifi range, the music stops. With both, if your phone battery dies, the music stops. With both, you can't leave the music on while you are away from home (e.g., for pets, elderly folks, or for general business ambience.)

I like Sonos because they are platform agnostic - no matter what the "best" service will be tomorrow, Sonos will support it. I also like Sonos because it's not dependent on my phone to work.

I can choose my Sonos speaker from the Spotify app.
 
The charge from Apple for my Pod just hit my AMEX. It’s not showing anything new in the order status, but here’s hoping for an early ship date!
 
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So you'll pay $349 for a nice mono speaker. Good job at burning money!
Getting pretty sick of pointing this out in every HomePod thread, but here we go again:

The HomePod is not a mono speaker
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I have a bunch of tracks I ripped from Mixcloud and uploaded to iCloud Music Library. How does HomePod natively play music in iCloud Music Library that doesn’t exist in iTunes or Apple Music?
You can test that right now by asking Siri to “play [mixcloud ripped track] from my library”.
 
Uh, I cast just fine from the Spotify app to the Sonos 5. Maybe look it up. Works fine. Stop spreading misinformation.
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I can choose my Sonos speaker from the Spotify app.

Yep, using the Spotify Connect feature. Both my Sonos and my home theater receiver have it, and it works very well. Same idea - the app tells the speaker/receiver what to stream, and the speaker/receiver streams on it's own.

Also, if you open the Spotify app on your computer, and leave it open, you can control the music on your computer using your phone as well. Same idea, the phone app tells the computer app what to play.
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The HomePod is not a mono speaker

Unless your ears are less than 5 inches apart, it's a mono speaker. No, "bouncing" sound off walls doesn't count.

Also, if the HomePod wasn't a mono speaker, why would Apple say "Create stereo sound with a second HomePod"? If it was already stereo, why would anyone need a second HomePod to create stereo sound?
 
I’ll be using HomePods to connect to my AppleTV. With BT I could also use them for my Switch, but alas.

That’s why HomePod is in no way a home theater replacement. You can’t play other sources through it, like a cable/satellite feed or gaming consoles. Back to crap TV speakers for other sources.

Getting pretty sick of pointing this out in every HomePod thread, but here we go again:

The HomePod is not a mono speaker

The seven tweeters don’t change the fact that it only has a single woofer, limiting any fancy signal processing to the upper frequencies.
 
I am still holding onto the hope that it does indeed work as a standard bluetooth speaker. I have two main reasons for why I think this:

1. There are plenty of non-iPhone people who would probably buy this speaker just for the audio quality. Apple will not want to miss out on the money from those customers. Of course, Apple Music is available on Android, so those people could still get the speaker and use it for Apple Music without bluetooth functionality, so this may be Apple's way out of this one.

2. They did this same sort of shifty advertising with the Airpods. Look at the Airpods system requirements and compatibility: it only lists the last few iOS and Mac devices, even though we all know the Airpods work just fine with any bluetooth-enabled device. And if you look at the Airpods forums before release, there were exactly these kinds of questions and accusations. "Only works with Apple devices?! Deal-breaker for me!" and so on. Then people actually got their Airpods and found that they could connect to whatever they wanted.

I am almost certain people will open it up on February 9 and within the hour we will have people posting about how they connected to it with their Windows laptop and it streamed the audio just fine.

If I am wrong, I'll come back and own up to it, but I hope I'm not. I'm still holding out hope for Apple despite all their recent mistakes. We will see.
 
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Pandora is REALLY GOOD at this, quite possibly the best.

I know. Which is why I won't buy a "smart" speaker that isn't Pandora compatible out of the box. And I don't mean via Airplay, I mean via voice-activation.

On top of that, ad-free Pandora is $4/month compared to Apple's $10/month.

Mark
 
Getting pretty sick of pointing this out in every HomePod thread, but here we go again:

The HomePod is not a mono speaker

Apple begs to differ. They have stated you’ll need a second HomePod to make Stereo. Also there is a software upgrade that needs to happen to allow two HomePods to self detect and start Stereo sound.

So yes, the HomePod is Mono. Oh, and also having 7 tweeters changes nothing. Those are there to make “spatial mapping”, not for use 100%. So yup, mono eh.
 
Apple begs to differ. They have stated you’ll need a second HomePod to make Stereo. Also there is a software upgrade that needs to happen to allow two HomePods to self detect and start Stereo sound.

So yes, the HomePod is Mono. Oh, and also having 7 tweeters changes nothing. Those are there to make “spatial mapping”, not for use 100%. So yup, mono eh.
Apple has not stated that which you assert.
 
I would like to see support natively for Pandora, Sirius XM and Spotify. Not via Airplay, but from within the device.
 
"Create stereo sound with a second HomePod."

If that's not clear enough to the posters who think one HomePod is stereo, then we should just give up on the English language. :)
 
So riddle me this please. Is there a way to make this a "soundbar" i.e. play Comcast, PS4 through it too? I don't think so? I wish they would have added a couple opticals, this could take on some AV applications. Apple seems to have not been targeting that market. Maybe in a couple years, they will release "HomeBar" or "MoviePod" or something.
This isn’t a home theatre replacement. This is a room filling speaker. Why do you need to fill a room with sound, for example, while sitting in front of a screen playing video games?

You’re right that they’re not targeting that market, because that’s exactly what the speakers aren’t for...
 
Then you'll be missing out on several things. A HomePod is not even Stereo. You need to buy 2 to have stereo and even then, the ability isn't there yet.

So you'll pay $349 for a nice mono speaker. Good job at burning money!

The “It’s not stereo” thing is a ridiculous complaint if you know what stereo actually is.

If you want true stereo sound you must have two speakers and audio that is mixed in stereo. This is not Apple’s limitation (or anyone else who makes similar products), it’s just the definition of stereo. Stereo sound allows audio engineers to mix two channels of audio—left and right. This provides greater separation of sounds in a recording. The effect is best listened to in headphones.

This is not a stereo product, but it’s not really mono either. It projects sound in a circular pattern and appears to use its position in the room to achieve comparable effects. Rather than playing each channel as mixed it will separate different frequencies through its tweeter array, likely sacrificing nothing. Adding an additional speaker will fill the room better (when that becomes available) but it still won’t be stereo in the traditional sense. From what I’m seeing and from what reviewers have said, it doesn’t sound like that’s going to be a bad thing. I’ll withhold judgement until I actually hear a HomePod, but assuming it’s bad “Because stereo” is nonsense.
 
This confuses me about AirPlay vs. AirPlay 2 if anyone can clarify. I have multiple AirPlay speakers, and with iTunes I was already able to stream to at least three of them at the same time (I've never tried more). AirPlay 2 seems to tout multi-room audio, but couldn't AirPlay already do that?

AirPlay 2 allows different channels of audio to be streamed to separate speakers...so you could play HIP HOP in the basement, and classical in the kitchen.
 
To be precise, the HomePod is neither mono, nor is it stereo while paired with 2 of it. It utilizes spatial awareness, room reverb and probably some adaptive algorithm to create sound field with layered responses, despite its limitation of coming out from a singularity. This is fundamentally a different approach than pairs of stereo speakers, both solutions are trying to solve similar problems but they are just different.
 
Rather than playing each channel as mixed it will separate different frequencies through its tweeter array, likely sacrificing nothing.

It sounds like we’re just making stuff up now about what this speaker does. I don’t say this as a judgement of the speaker, but rather of all the things I’ve seen people say it does without a reliable source.
 
The charge from Apple for my Pod just hit my AMEX. It’s not showing anything new in the order status, but here’s hoping for an early ship date!

My card got charged tonight too and status changed to "Order in progress":)
 
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