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Apple Confirms iOS 17.4 Disables Home Screen Web Apps in the European Union
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My post is just bold on lazy.
Glad it sticks out, because their approach is indeed just lazy
Spiteful compliance... someone said it kinda like that, and that's exactly what it is. When the Chinese government requires them to make changes so that they can better suppress their people, they can't be fast and forthcoming enough.
If someone ever manages to make devices that are nearly as good as Apple's, then I swear Apple is done.
If someone ever manages to make devices that are nearly as good as Apple's, then I swear Apple is done.
Even if Android was worse I would switch away from Apple if I had some of the views some people in here have of Apple.
To me some here seems to have a dysfunctional relationship with Apple. It's almost like wives being beaten by their husbands but refusing to leave.
Finally!! Some here (not just the other two quoted) have apparently not read the 1st post which Apple clearly states why they are not doing this. Can they? YES. But should they? Apple says NO, its not worth it. So what If android can or will do it. If these simple PWAs are THAT important then perhaps folks in the EU that need/want them that bad need to use Android or petition their government to recend these new laws and let companies make their products as they see fit and the end users can choose which devices they want that fill their needs.
Well maybe we don't have any relationship with Apple. It's just a company which makes products. No need to make a cult from it.
It's definitely not my wife. I don't need to love corporation to use its products. I use its products because it fits me best from what's available on the market, but does not mean I'm happy with their decisions or where it is going. It also does not mean there's no room for improvements or I'm 100% happy.
Also for some it seems like you are either Apple or Android. What if I'm both or none? I have my comments towards both systems. And the fact I'm on Apple forum and I spend my money for Apple products speaks for itself. The fact I'm commenting and I'm not exactly happy does not mean I like alternative on the market more.
It's a tragedy that an ad company (Google) controls Android. If it wasn't for that fact, I would have long switched. Unfortunately I value privacy more than I hate Apple's arrogance and hubris.
That's what I want too. And nothing in the DMA makes Apple products fit me more, quite the opposite.
And what Apple is doing here, benefits me in a small way but I would understand Apple's decision even if it wasn't positive for me.
You mean finally someone who repeats their propaganda. As if we hadn't had enough of that already
Then Apple has a security issue if it has to relay on WebKit.
That means Apple has security issues
My thought on this is that features are not all the same. Apple will make a cable or a VR headset despite the fact there are zillions to choose from, but they are always done with the Apple flavor. For instance, people are comparing the Vision Pro with the Meta Quest 3. There’s very little in common when it comes to implementation, yet they share many common features. Apple fans tend to like the way Apple makes things their way, except maybe the Files app. But now they’re being forced to not do things their way, which reduces the attraction to Apple things. People are waiting with bated breath to see what Apple produces in the form of foldables, though there are many on the market now. People want to see Apple’s take on these products, which always tends to be unexpected and not at all like the way others do things.
Every one of those things you list is done differently. There are only so many things you can put on a phone, so there will always been a lot in common, feature-wise. It’s how those things are implemented that matter. Safari and Chrome are both browsers, but the experience is completely different just like how the Vision Pro is radically different, experience-wise, from the Meta Quest 3. I’ll leave it up to others which browser they prefer, but I despise Chrome, personally. I’m one of those who has two phones, an iPhone and a Samsung Galaxy ZFold 4 as my active phones, so I know the difference between all of those. On my ZFold 4, I avoid Chrome like the plague and use Samsung’s Internet browser. I like both phones, but don’t want them to be forced to be similar to each other. Let Google and Apple make phone OS’es their way without regulators telling them how they should make things.
If the husband beats the wife, we call the police (which we did). No need for the wife to leave her house behind for which she paid for.
Apple is just a coke dealer from the street who thinks he has the right to harass their customers to world's end, or an ex-boyfriend who thinks he can dictate his former girlfriend whom she can date.
I do think good programmers need to be lazy.
And the solution Apple chose for this problem was pure laziness. Good for them.
This post is way too well reasoned and balanced for this forum, lol.😂
That's good. People are different and that's the beauty of it - we are not all the same. Different tastes, different minds.
Let's agree to disagree then. I really like what DMA brings me or should bring me - at least I like its ideas. It definitely makes Apple products to fit me more. I'm sorry it's not the same for you.
But great news other than PWAs, nothing changes with DMA for you. Everything is optional so far. You can easily just ignore it. Continue using App Store and Safari and you're all good.
What I don't understand is when people hate optional features which can be easily ignored. Don't like the feature? It isn't for you? Good. Ignore it, someone else may appreciate it. It's awesome we don't live in a world where just one color choice is an option. Where there's just food with one taste or houses with one type of roof. Options are great, options are freedom.
So you're happy, that you can use a different browser on your Samsung. But you argue against that choice on your iPhone. That does not make any sense.
And then you just missed the issue.
EU is not attacking WebKit. EU is saying Apple can not using their power position in the mobile OS department to force WebKit on everyone. It is not the EI fault Apple has failed to maintain and improve WebKit. It is not the EU fault that Apple WebKit is arguably the worse of the major browser engines.
Not the EU fault that Chromium is one of the better engines. All it means is Apple needs to improve WebKit if they want it to be survive.
So no don’t say EU is attack WebKit. That is Apple fault that it is distancing 3rd in terms of an engine.
I was about to say "You can always also use the web app version of x app" but nope, Apple axed that one, too.
Honestly at this point it’s all that Apple is doing, assuming their own incompetence. If you can’t have sideloading without putting the system in danger means the security of the OS isn’t that great to begin with. If you can’t make a PWA with an external browser engine means that their current integration isn’t that great.
At this point iOS safety is fully reliant on AppStore check mechanisms not failing in allowing a malicious app to be listed in AppStore.
Comments: petty and vindictive. Modern day Apple users that don’t understand technology or business.
Apple's Safari is unable to survive in open competition, we already saw that on Windows, where it died. Lightning was also not winning in competition, Apple even had to resort to USB on the iPad to match even barebones transmission speeds required by peripherals.
It's not a security issue when Apple controls and can guarantee that iOS only runs Webkit and no other web browser engine.
All security models relies on certain assumptions and components to work properly and being controlled. Even today's cryptographic algorithms has certain assumptions built in which must be true for them to be secure.
Yes, definitely. Good for Apple corporation. Good for their revenue.
Bad for customers. Still the same song.
I am surprised Apple did it this way? Not at all.
Is it economical? Definitely.
Is it anti-consumer? Yes. Because otherwise consumer would benefit from this change (or consumer would not feel the change at all). But as it breaks previously working feature it is anti-consumer.
Webkit is a buggy mess that was dropped by everybody one that could do it. All it’s market share it’s from them forcing everyone to use it. Also at this point they’re just admitting that iOS is actually very unsafe if it has to rely to being this closed to be secure…