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Not sure why this is a big deal, google has no insight to this data. Anything on Google Cloud is completely seperate from their commercial business. Google can’t see anything. So many other customers use all these cloud services, can you imagine if Google/Microsoft/AWS were found to be reading data, their business would die over night. It’s probably better Apple uses Google, AWS and MS security isn’t as good. Not to mention Google pays Apple for making google the default search engine, even business enemies can sometimes be friends :)
 
You don't seem to get how things works these days....

No I get how it works now, but again, until this news I think the majority of us thought that iCloud was storing our personal data in Apple’s data centers, not Google and Amazon servers. How are we supposed to trust them when they’re not transparent to their customers about where their data is going?
 
Jobs picked Cook because he knew he was the best bean counter and there was no way Jobs' product line in the works would bankrupt the company with him managing it. To say Jobs thought he was a product guy or had a vision would be stretching it. Keep in mind, Steve Jobs never really thought he was going to die! He totally believed his crazy homeopathic treatments would cure him better than modern science. :D

A bean counter? Seems you are not aware of Cook's role at Apple before he was CEO, nor the position Jobs offered him coming on board.
 
Not sure why this is a big deal, google has no insight to this data. Anything on Google Cloud is completely seperate from their commercial business. Google can’t see anything. So many other customers use all these cloud services, can you imagine if Google/Microsoft/AWS were found to be reading data, their business would die over night. It’s probably better Apple uses Google, AWS and MS security isn’t as good. Not to mention Google pays Apple for making google the default search engine, even business enemies can sometimes be friends :)

S3 = Amazon
 
The article doesn’t specify where the data is being stored, it just says Apple is using third party services like Google and S3, so we still don’t know where are our sensitive data is being farmed off to, “user-identifying” or not, but S3 = Amazon

Will that keep you awake at night?
 
Will that keep you awake at night?

No I’m just going to shift from taking Apple’s stance on privacy at face value to realizing they’re just like all the others. It’s a small step, really, and I just took it today!
 
Wtf man? Do you have the slightest idea how complicated and specialized these things are?
Apple doesn't make IPS panels and never has.
Apple doesn't specialize in data storage and never has.
Apple doesn't make camera sensors and never has.
One point, “Apple doesn’t specialise in data storage and never has.”. What do you believe Apple is doing with the ever growing number data centers?
 
Samsung manufacturing screens, iCloud stored in Google Services, camera sensors from Sony... what’s next, Microsoft Stores selling iPhone? Jobs we miss you.
Apple makes more of their own parts now than they ever did during Steve Jobs' tenure at the company. Do you think they made the original iPhone camera sensor? LOL
 
meh, this doesn't surprise me at all.
Apple is going to make the best decision based on their needs for how the infrastructure is hosted. I've for a long time assumed they were/are using a combination of Self hosted, Amazon, Microsoft, Google. All this does is make it clearer that at present they are likely using more Google than Microsoft at the present time. I don't doubt for a second that Apple still has content iCloud (email/storage/messages/etc.) /iTunes (movies/music/ibooks) / Maps / AppStore / etc... spread across themselves and all of the big cloud players. Depending on what best services a given need.

As long as the services are reliable and secure I don't really care if they host it themselves or with one of the other big cloud vendors.
 
I get for FREE from Google what I was paying Apple to do.


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When a for-profit corporation is spending money to provide you with a service that you don't pay for, like Google, then you are not the customer, you are the product being sold. Google's business is to sell you to their actual customers, which of course are the people who pay them. Google's motivation is to keep their actual customers happy, who are third parties you've never heard of, never done business with, and who want to know every little detail about you as possible. As for the product (you and me), they only need to do enough to keep us around, just like a farmer needs to keep his pigs alive until he sells them to the butcher.

When a for-profit corporation is spending money to provide you with a service that you pay for, like Apple, then you are the customer. Apple's motivation is the same as Google's, to keep their actual customers happy, but in this case the actual customer is you and me. Apple does work to keep third party interference at bay (for example this) in order to keep us, their paying customer, happy.

Either model is fine as long as you understand what is happening. I don't think most people understand the incredible details and depths of the online profile that is being made about them, and how easy it is to determine who that profile is even though there are assurances that no personally identifiable information is included, and what types of misuse can occur with that information.
 
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Apple should stop bragging about their "green" computing centers. It is easy to save energy by using other companies' hardware.

No they shouldn't.

Apple's data centers are still energy efficient and green. If the company is capacity-limited and needs to tap other resources until they can expand their own capacity, I have no problem with that.
 
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No I get how it works now, but again, until this news I think the majority of us thought that iCloud was storing our personal data in Apple’s data centers, not Google and Amazon servers. How are we supposed to trust them when they’re not transparent to their customers about where their data is going?
So you want to micromanage Apples decisions? I’m glad you can’t.
 
I'll admit I'm not as informed as some of you, but how can a company such as Apple, with billions upon billions, not create and run 100% of its own data servers? Would it be as economical, sure, I imagine not. Despite Cook's perceived flaws, I trust him on numbers. But I believe this is one area where I would gladly pay more of an Apple tax for, to not have my data - encrypted or not - stored on Google's servers.

This is one reason I use Apple. Privacy and security.
 
So you want to micromanage Apples decisions? I’m glad you can’t.

Me wanting my personal data like contacts, banking, and health info secure, and believing iCloud was actually iCloud and not “third-party cloud” is me wanting to micromanage Apple’s decisions. Noted!
 
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Apple should stop bragging about their "green" computing centers. It is easy to save energy by using other companies' hardware.

I guess my question then is, when will the Apple data centers take over that they are building?

I dislike how iCloud lacks easy sharing and selective sync. But I really like how all the apps on my iPhone save to the iCloud with almost no effort.
 
So this doesn't change anything?
It's not like all iPhone users aren't dependent on Google anyways. Google search, Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps, Google Photos, Google Drive, and now iCloud. Might as well be using an Android.
 
I'll admit I'm not as informed as some of you, but how can a company such as Apple, with billions upon billions, not create and run 100% of its own data servers? Would it be as economical, sure, I imagine not. Despite Cook's perceived flaws, I trust him on numbers. But I believe this is one area where I would gladly pay more of an Apple tax for, to not have my data - encrypted or not - stored on Google's servers.

This is one reason I use Apple. Privacy and security.

Companies can have what seems like infinite resources. But often deploying them involves delays incurred by others.

Even Apple cannot move on a dime when it comes to, say, earmarking $1.3 Billion for a new 400,000 square foot data center, acquiring land, engaging with city planning departments and public outreach to move forward, engaging with others to provide renewable power, design, permits, construction, etc. Their latest one, in Iowa and just starting to move forward, will end up taking four or more years to completion.
 
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Does anyone know if Microsoft 365 is a data miner like Google/gmail products? I was shocked to find that OneDrive is not encrypted at rest.
 
Sorry, I thought iCloud supposed to be Aople’s cloud service, not Amazon and Google’s. What a joke.
It is labelled as Apples' service. Backend is managed by Google. So what? Does Apple say "iphone x --> Samsung display" in their sales/ marketing ? No, its labelled as Apples Iphone.

Just relax and enjoy the product/ services. Also, this did not just happen overnight. It happened over a long period of time, just made public recently.
 
No I get how it works now, but again, until this news I think the majority of us thought that iCloud was storing our personal data in Apple’s data centers, not Google and Amazon servers. How are we supposed to trust them when they’re not transparent to their customers about where their data is going?
So you ditching Apple as your trust level has reached a low threshold?
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Man, I feel like we have no privacy anymore. I'm going to go live in a cave!
Absolutely! You have the right pathway ahead.
 
Samsung manufacturing screens, iCloud stored in Google Services, camera sensors from Sony... what’s next, Microsoft Stores selling iPhone? Jobs we miss you.
Oh, BS.

This kind of "Strange Bedfellows" stuff goes on ALL the time with megacorporations. They are pretty much ALL "frienemies", that leverage each others' particular strengths and excess capacities.

I don't see an issue here, so long as the encryption is sound. Plus, I would imagine that none of the Google or S3 storage is in any way "customer-facing"; so it will take a pretty deep hack to get to... a bunch of data that will take until the heat death of the universe to discover... someone's cat pictures.

And then, they STILL won't know WHO's cat pictures!
 
So you ditching Apple as your trust level has reached a low threshold?
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Absolutely! You have the right pathway ahead.

Did I say I was ditching Apple? One can’t have some (perfectly reasonable) criticisms for this decision and not still choose to use their products? Jeez.

I never migrated to Apple for it’s privacy anyway, but some of the positions they’ve taken on customer privacy and security over the past few years were a nice surface level bonus. But clearly that’s all it really was: superficial BS and clever PR.
 
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