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Apple Confirms Studio Display Will Work With PCs, But With Some Caveats

CWallace said:
Have to admit I find it ROFL amusing to claim the Apple Studio Display is an example of "planned obsolesce" considering it (in part) replaces the iMac 5K which, as an AIO, required you to toss the entire machine every time it came time to upgrade any component.
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Different sort of planned obsolescence.

I got an iMac in 2017 - reluctantly because of the "toss the screen" issue you mention. Which is serious - but was countered by the fact that getting a screen of that quality bundled with the 2017 iMac was a darned good deal. (c.f. the price of getting, say, a Mini plus an LG Ultrafine...)

However, I've had 5 years of use out of it and it's still an excellent screen, there isn't much around today that's better and I'm still in 2 minds over whether I need to "upgrade". At the moment, that's actually reducing Apple's chances of selling me a Mac Studio this year...

Plus, it won't be "tossed" - I could BootCamp it (and not bother with trying to run Windows on Apple Silicon), keep it for running old 32 bit Apps, use it as a second display with Luna or something... I guess second hand prices are going to hold up with the total demise of the 5k iMac, too.

Problem with this new display - it sounds like pretty much the same panel as the iMac display, which is now 5 years closer to obsolescence than when it showed up in the iMac. As soon as MiniLED models appear (even 4k ones) it's going to be highly undesirable.

...plus, it's strictly USB-C only.

Mainly, though, it's the price - just to repeat what some people really don't seem to want to hear for just $200 more you used to be able to get a fully functioning iMac with a comparable display and decent speakers, mic and webcam. Now, that doesn't even pay for the proper stand.
 
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NMBob said:
That's just stupid when a standalone monitor won't work with 'everything' (within reason, of course). That just smells like planned obsolescence right out of the eco-friendly box.
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Do you even know what you are talking about ? where does planned obsolescence is coming from ? Apple doesn't make hardware to work with Windows products, and all features work with Mac, I am still using Thunderbolt Display that Apple stopped production in 2016, Apple products work just fine for years, Thunderbolt Display still sells for $300 on eBay if Apple is designing products with planned obsolescence peoplewouldnt be buying thunderbolt display for $300 still after 10 years.
 
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Darth Tulhu said:
I think Apple is simply offloading the features from the iMac to the monitor instead of the Mini or Studio Base. Perhaps this is why the A13 is in there, to process the additional-to-simply-display features like CenterStage, Spatial Audio, etc.


This is not new. Apple always tunes for their own machines. With Boot Camp, Apple provided the software and drivers. Now that Boot Camp's gone, so is the additional hardware functionality from Windows.


Yep. Apple had a decision to make, and they chose to give its own customers the best experience possible. It's a targeted strike for Apple users. I could be wrong, but don't think Apple has ever made a product with every type of computer user in mind.
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How does only having a single input make the monitor better for mac users?
I’m a mac user. And I find it pathetic.
 
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Ion-X said:
The lack of webcam access on Windows is a massive fail. Especially for such an expensive display.
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Then buy a different display. It’s not like there aren’t a ton of other companies making displays for Windows. Apple
makes a display for macOS and iOS users and Windows users want Apple to give them consideration? Please give me a break. Apple cannot help it that Windows OEMs suck.
 
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NMBob said:
That's just stupid when a standalone monitor won't work with 'everything' (within reason, of course). That just smells like planned obsolescence right out of the eco-friendly box.
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It works with everything macOS and iOS within reason. Windows users can go talk to their OEMs about why they won’t make something equivalent and quit whining on a Mac forum about a Mac product not working on a non-Mac operating system.
 
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theluggage said:
Problem with this new display - it sounds like pretty much the same panel as the iMac display, which is now 5 years closer to obsolescence than when it showed up in the iMac. As soon as MiniLED models appear (even 4k ones) it's going to be highly undesirable.
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I guess it depends on how one ranks features/benefits.

I rank Retina/High PPI very high - arguably #1 - for my primary display so a low-PPI Mini-LED or OLED panel, be it QHD, 4K, 5K, 6K, 7K or 8K is unappealing to me as a primary display. Hence why I bought four iMac 5Ks (2014, 2015, 2017, 2020) as my primary working display with a low-PPI secondary display for stuff I just glance at from time to time. And why I will be buying a low-PPI QD-OLED monitor solely to play video games.


theluggage said:
Mainly, though, it's the price - just to repeat what some people really don't seem to want to hear for just $200 more you used to be able to get a fully functioning iMac with a comparable display and decent speakers, mic and webcam.
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But that iMac included a lower-end CPU and GPU with 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD. If that level of performance works for someone, they should buy the Mac mini for $600 and pair it with the Apple Studio Display.

Yes, it's $400 more (plus accessories) than the $1799 iMac, but it's also more flexible since you can keep the display and those accessories when you upgrade and save what was a previously sunk cost when buying a new iMac with them included. And you get a much better than decent webcam, speakers and mic.
 
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I am in the same boat as others - would use primarily as a Mac monitor but would also use as a windows monitor for work. I have done that with the LG Ultrafine 5k for several years. I do wonder if the speakers and web cam will work, albeit without Mac OS features, in Windows. I guess once people get these in a week we will see some real word usage to know for sure.
 
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EntropyQ3 said:
How does only having a single input make the monitor better for mac users?
I’m a mac user. And I find it pathetic.
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I don't understand your question/point.

One Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) port, three USB-C ports

  • One upstream Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) port for host (with 96W host charging)
  • Three downstream USB-C ports (up to 10Gb/s) for connecting peripherals, storage, and networking
 
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It’s strange though. If center stage and true tone doesn’t work standalone, what are they using the a13 for?
And couldn’t m1 just handle that?
 
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KPOM said:
ClickMonitorDDC works to control brightness on the LG UltraFine 5K. I’m guessing it will work with the Apple Studio Display.
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Lg also has their own official tool. Windows On Screen Control. I use it for my lg display 5k and works better
 
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CrysisDeu said:
It’s strange though. If center stage and true tone doesn’t work standalone, what are they using the a13 for?
And couldn’t m1 just handle that?
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I think it is using the A13 for those features, but OS-level support is also required. Apple didn’t write Windows drivers to support the features.
 
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Darth Tulhu said:
I think Apple is simply offloading the features from the iMac to the monitor instead of the Mini or Studio Base. Perhaps this is why the A13 is in there, to process the additional-to-simply-display features like CenterStage, Spatial Audio, etc.


This is not new. Apple always tunes for their own machines. With Boot Camp, Apple provided the software and drivers. Now that Boot Camp's gone, so is the additional hardware functionality from Windows.
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You are correct, it’s not new. Many companies make hardware tied to a single device. It's not a question of being new or even wrong. The behavior is simply frowned upon as wasteful. There is a reason governments mandate standards. Consumers should not be expected to replace accessories because they change platforms. At best it's poor environmental positioning, at worst it could be seen as an abuse of it's monopoly on MacOS hardware.
Darth Tulhu said:
Yep. Apple had a decision to make, and they chose to give its own customers the best experience possible. It's a targeted strike for Apple users. I could be wrong, but don't think Apple has ever made a product with every type of computer user in mind.
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One could call it a targeted strike, but they could also call it gross and disrespectful. The best experience would be one that allows the customer to seamlessly bring their hardware to another platform. It's not always feasible, but in this case it is.
 
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Darth Tulhu said:
I don't understand your question/point.

One Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) port, three USB-C ports

  • One upstream Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) port for host (with 96W host charging)
  • Three downstream USB-C ports (up to 10Gb/s) for connecting peripherals, storage, and networking
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Display input. You buy a nice screen, you want to be able to hook up devices to use it, right?
 
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currocj said:
I tried to ask product support whether this monitor support DisplayPort 1.4, I got non-sense in return. Does anyone know? I'm interested if this monitor support DisplayPort 1.4 and subsequently DSC
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I know the Xdr has dsc its written in the documentation. We will just wait for the Apple Studio documentation, should be mentioned there.

If it has DSC like xdr, and lets say you have a dsc enabled rtx gpu you can possibly make the webcam work with this cable.
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Or if it doesnt have dsc which I doubt you can use an expansion card asus thunderbolt ex4 but you will need to sacrifice two display ports to make it run.

theoretically Apple will need to make sure these studio monitors work in lets say the intel-based mac pro workstations for mac users who also use windows bootcamp. Those new bootcamp drivers should be fetched through brigadier tool and install them to your windows machine. Then everything should work but someone will need to confirm this.
 
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dontwalkhand said:
I am concerned that they decided to put an A13 Chip in the thing....ITS A MONITOR.
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So is your TV but it still has all sorts of processors in it to do things. Image processing, noise reduction, upscaling, decoding, SmartTV functions, etc.

Honestly, it just makes sense that they'd use a relatively modern A-series processor just from a economy of scale standpoint. They've already got production ramped up on them and the chips are (probably) more than powerful enough to do what they need.
 
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KPOM said:
I think it is using the A13 for those features, but OS-level support is also required. Apple didn’t write Windows drivers to support the features.
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I would imagine it boots a basic os with that much power though. Or else macOS needs to give instructions to the A13 chip, that’s a weird design choice to pass that with displaying data over thunderbolt.
 
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EasyRyde said:
Does the Spatial Audio require any hardware specifics from the computer? For example, I have a Mac mini (2018). Would the Spatial Audio feature work?
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As far as I know Spatial Audio requires M1 on Macs. My old MacBook Pro 2019 didn't support spatial audio when connected to my Air Pods Max.
 
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