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Apple Confirms Vision Pro is Not Eligible for Trade-In
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Somewhat off-topic, but recently I've been thinking: maybe, just maybe, the "next big thing" isn't going to be in tech. Tim Cook, Sam Altman, and thousands of software developers are hoping to stake their legacy on new gadgets or experiences in the techsphere. The problem is, it's not organic; it's forced. The personal computer was a natural outgrowth of hobbyist computing in the 70s. The iPod was a natural evolution of the MP3 player market in the early aughts. Likewise, the iPhone (and smartphones in general) were a huge step forward.
The key is, those inventions (at least at the outset) were tools that gave enormous power and agency to individuals. They were so revolutionary because they implicitly worked to democratize the way people interacted, created and consumed. But AVP and AI are not, at their core, about democratizing access to anything, or giving individuals any more power than the tech behemoths decide. They're disguised as givers, but they're really takers. And I think, intuitively, most people understand this.
So maybe, the "rebels," the "round pegs in the square holes," should not be looking at the consumer tech sphere to make their mark on the world. We need solutions in clean energy, economics, social policy and fragile democratic governments the world around.
Maybe we devote more of our energies into that?
The key is, those inventions (at least at the outset) were tools that gave enormous power and agency to individuals. They were so revolutionary because they implicitly worked to democratize the way people interacted, created and consumed. But AVP and AI are not, at their core, about democratizing access to anything, or giving individuals any more power than the tech behemoths decide. They're disguised as givers, but they're really takers. And I think, intuitively, most people understand this.
So maybe, the "rebels," the "round pegs in the square holes," should not be looking at the consumer tech sphere to make their mark on the world. We need solutions in clean energy, economics, social policy and fragile democratic governments the world around.
Maybe we devote more of our energies into that?
There was that rumor that they had a ton of supplies to build more of these things and the plan for this M5 update was to update as little as possible (just the chip) so they could keep drawing down on the excess supplies. Taking trade ins would just add to that already too large stockpile they have. But still that sucks from an environmental and personal financial perspective.
💯 why this piece of junk is up for sale on marketplace. It has t done any of what Apple said it would and we don’t want it either Apple. #Trash
This goes completely against their environmental virtue signalling. The device is made from highly recyclable materials, which ironically plays a big role in the construction of the device. If Apple won’t recycle the metal and glass, who will?
Apple routinely removes obsolete technology from their trade-in list. Nothing unusual about this one getting the same treatment.
I believe you can still submit it for recycling if you have eco concerns, Apple just won't give you any credit / value for it (but will kindly recycle it at no charge to you).
I didn’t pay anywhere close to full price for mine but I’m still disappointed there’s no trade in, I was gonna put the value towards a new MacBook 😭
I really don’t like selling locally but it looks like I have to, if anyone wants it in the first place.
It’s a really cool piece of kit and the new controller and pen accessories are exciting, but there’s no apps that justify the device outside of enterprise use.
I really don’t like selling locally but it looks like I have to, if anyone wants it in the first place.
It’s a really cool piece of kit and the new controller and pen accessories are exciting, but there’s no apps that justify the device outside of enterprise use.
Sure. That’s why Apple sells refurbished AirPods.
Refurbished AirPods
Save up to 15% on refurbished AirPods from Apple Online Store. All products includes a 1-year warranty. Free delivery and returns.
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Wow.
Were the reddit folks making this up?
Many had claimed to have talked to Apple support chat, who'd indicated trade-in for AVP v1 was coming soon.
Were the reddit folks making this up?
Many had claimed to have talked to Apple support chat, who'd indicated trade-in for AVP v1 was coming soon.
Given that apple almost never allows trade-ins of first generation products to get the second generation and the fact that the majority of the components are identical, I don’t see why anyone expected this.
It’s also an extremely rare product (500,000 or so sold) and apples trade in is mostly limited to the United States, where there would be even less.
We would be talking about setting up an entire trade-in program for… Maybe a couple hundred headsets in total?
Anyone with the M2 shouldn’t even be worried about the M5 anyway, and either way it’s a first generation product for an Apple category. And a very rare one at that. Hold onto it.
It’s also an extremely rare product (500,000 or so sold) and apples trade in is mostly limited to the United States, where there would be even less.
We would be talking about setting up an entire trade-in program for… Maybe a couple hundred headsets in total?
Anyone with the M2 shouldn’t even be worried about the M5 anyway, and either way it’s a first generation product for an Apple category. And a very rare one at that. Hold onto it.
As a happy early adopter of certain technologies and devices, it comes with its risks however I am not in the target customer base for a device that costs 3,500.
However, this has to hurt - surely. Presumably the people who bought the VP had a certain assumption that like most devices they would be able to trade in and upgrade but this is a bit of a low blow to them.
The trouble is that this in itself might make future sales of this 3.500 device an even harder sell when people know they are stuck with them or they must sell them privately at what will be presumably a significant loss (not that the trade in value would be great).
I think the real reason is that it would just create some massively negative headlines given that Apple would be unlikely anyway to give more than 1000 on a 3500 device thats less than 2 years old and all you would see is people bemoaning the loss of 2500.
Im fascinate to see where this goes in the medium term. Do Apple think that the new iteration will sell in any greater numbers than the first one? I dont see how it would - the price remains the same and there are no more compelling use cases than there were before.
I think the VP will go the way of the first HomePod and be quietly retired quite quickly until something far more compelling and affordable hits the market.
However, this has to hurt - surely. Presumably the people who bought the VP had a certain assumption that like most devices they would be able to trade in and upgrade but this is a bit of a low blow to them.
The trouble is that this in itself might make future sales of this 3.500 device an even harder sell when people know they are stuck with them or they must sell them privately at what will be presumably a significant loss (not that the trade in value would be great).
I think the real reason is that it would just create some massively negative headlines given that Apple would be unlikely anyway to give more than 1000 on a 3500 device thats less than 2 years old and all you would see is people bemoaning the loss of 2500.
Im fascinate to see where this goes in the medium term. Do Apple think that the new iteration will sell in any greater numbers than the first one? I dont see how it would - the price remains the same and there are no more compelling use cases than there were before.
I think the VP will go the way of the first HomePod and be quietly retired quite quickly until something far more compelling and affordable hits the market.
The value of trade-ins is not due the recyclable material contained. That’ll only get you very few bucks.
Somewhat related, but it still blows my mind that people think the trade in values are that bad. I can get $420 for a 2 year old iphone that I paid $999 for. I find that to be great trade in value.
I suppose trade-ins in general are done to sell refurb and/or in “evolving” markets, and I suppose Apple doesn’t want to do either with the VPro. Kinda sucks for those who would want to go that route …
But wait, according to MR users only 7 people bought t/he VPro in the first place, so why all this crying out?
But wait, according to MR users only 7 people bought t/he VPro in the first place, so why all this crying out?
Ewww.... they do?Sure. That’s why Apple sells refurbished AirPods.
Refurbished AirPods
Save up to 15% on refurbished AirPods from Apple Online Store. All products includes a 1-year warranty. Free delivery and returns.www.apple.com
FALSE! The era of spatial computing is here! This is a REVOLUTIONARY new product, for a REVOLUTIONARY way of computing. The M2 AVP was never meant to be in widespread use. It was a chance for people who love technology to try tomorrow's technology, today. Apple can't wait to see what customers are able to do with the AVP once the technology is ready! Stay tuned!
I think you're on to something, but for an additional reason.
A TON of the tech and companies that have dominated since the turn of the century was built upon publicly funded research and development for decades ... stemming from military, defense, space, university and other pursuits.
That public investment pipeline has changed and/or dried up quite a while ago (in the US at least) and one wonders where that leaves things moving forward.
Really long term investment isn't somewhere the private sector excels, due to much shorter ROI needs.
I'm a big Apple fan but this is sad. Regardless it's also very unfortunate that I had to get a quest 3 for use with steam vr... but it's good value and gets the job done.
Not really, it's actually quite expected.
The goal of trade-in programs is typically to control the secondary (used) market and avoid downward price pressure on the newest model. Virtually nobody bought Vision Pro, so there's a tiny used market. This means no pressure on the M5 model. Whether people actually want to buy the Vision Pro at all is another story.
Of course I don’t know the ins and outs of how Apple decided to price them at 3.5k.
Apple today confirmed it will not be allowing customers to trade in the original Vision Pro toward the purchase of the new model or any other device.
"Apple Vision Pro is not eligible for trade-in," says Apple, in the fine print of a press release.
Some customers who spent at least $3,499 on the original Vision Pro may be disappointed to learn that Apple is not willing to offer any credit for the device.
The new Vision Pro's key changes include an M5 chip, 120Hz support, and the inclusion of a more comfortable Dual Knit Band in the box. However, the Dual Knit Band is also compatible with the original Vision Pro, and it can be purchased separately for $99.
The original model has an M2 chip, up to a 100Hz refresh rate, and a Solo Knit Band.
Customers who bought the original Vision Pro can still attempt to sell the device through platforms like eBay or Facebook Marketplace, but it is a niche product. With no trade-in credit available to offset spending another $3,499 on the updated Vision Pro, many customers will likely pass on upgrading to the new model.
The updated Vision Pro launched in Apple Stores and began arriving to customers today.
At all Apple Store locations where the Vision Pro is available, customers can now demo the model with the M5 chip, and try the Dual Knit Band.
Article Link: Apple Confirms Vision Pro is Not Eligible for Trade-In
But the main reason why no one is buying them is because they’re too expensive.
No average person in their right mind would drop 3.5k on an unproven product.
Yes, it needs devs to build apps and services to utilise the device and it’s great hardware but they won’t do that if no one has one.
And no one will buy one if there’s not a big selection of apps and services for the device to utilise.
Also its battery life sucks (for good reason) and it’s really clunky.
This gives me 12 inch MacBook vibes.
Amazing potential but released before technology could catch up and make it
1. Cheaper
2. Smaller and lighter
3. Good power efficiency without compromising weight and size.
I’m really hoping the tech evolves to the point where you can get a basic one for the price of an iPad Pro.
Then they can choose to charge closer to MacBook Pro prices for a pro version.
Glad it got a small update though, kind of shows Apple haven’t given up yet.
But the product will fail long term if they can’t reduce the price by 2k minimum and even then it’s a tough sell. 😔
Sure… the lack of a “killer app” is the issue. 😒