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Apple Considering 4.7" and 5.7" Screens for 2014 iPhone Models, iPhone 5S and Low-Cost iPhone Due in September
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River poet for the win. I nominate Riverpoet as the new CEO for Apple.
Of course the downside would be be Macrumors.com who cease to exist as no one would have anything to complain about.
No additional functionality?
Ok that's just WRONG.
Say you don't like the functionality or YOU don't use it, but it's far from not being functional.
Brightness control that your simply pull down and adjust is functional.
Activating hot spot with a pull down and tap is additional functionality
Multitasking
Google wallet is added functionality
All things that get used every day.
So they'd share the same resolution? or the bigger ones would have bigger resolutions? if the latter then the same chipset would perform worse on a higher resolution. Besides supposedly the bigger version would be sort of the high-end and with the same screen it would have the lowest PPI.
So you'd make an app for a 5.7-inch and on the smallest one you'd see a scale downed version? either everything would be reduced which might lead to issues of being able to touch every area or the resolution between screens would have to be multiples of each other.
This is such a great idea. I think this will eventually happen, but Apple likes to give competitors breathing room by not filling all of the size niches. I think OSX could be integrated with iOS if Apple really wanted to. I'd say it would have to be an "OSX first" kind of paradigm with iOS support than the other way around.
People here are so pessimistic saying that any time you offer a new product, that means that it somehow takes away from the old product.
Believe me, as a Galaxy S4 user, I don't miss smaller phones one bit. My phone is half an inch wider than an iPhone and just as thin if not thinner. If your iPhone is so crammed in your pocket than half an inch bigger would make it impossible to fit, you probably can't casually reach in your pocket and pull your phone out anyway.
I guarantee once the public goes to 5" screens, they'll laugh at the small size of their old phones.
That being said, I don't understand Apple's resistance to using standard HD pixel sizes. Why not a 1280x720 phone? I thank the Samsung gods every day that I can drop a 1920x1080p video on my Galaxy S4 and watch it in native aspect ratio and resolution.
well i hope apple does offer more colors this year and more screen sizes next year. of course not everyone wants a bigger phone, but some do.
5.7 inches would be great if they offer a stylus with it.
4.7 inches would be perfect for the iphone. apple should increase the iphone's screen size.
4.7 inches would be perfect for the iphone. apple should increase the iphone's screen size.
I agree with you on the broomstick. The stylus devices for iOS are abysmal at best. The Note's biggest appeal was the stylus, which I use often to take notes and point around my phone without putting my fat fingers in the way.
The Note 8's only saving grace is that pen. Otherwise there'd be just like every other tablet.
Apple's larger screen iPhone really needs to be something more than just a bigger iPhone 5.
Darryl, Apple is the company they are because of their business model...
Profits by margins. If the current scenario does not fit into their business model... no dice.
And by the way, it is not about fitting the gab between screen size... it is about functionality with use.
Also, there are many pending issues for Apple. And, I will tell you again - it is about "profits by margins". Apple creates markets & products with this business model in every item they have ever created. They do this for many reasons - many outside constraints/advances of technology that has to do with how Apple acquires large contracts with their affiliated manufacturers, and timing of all this with the market is their forte. All this is to put Apple in the position for the opportunity they saw years ahead, and then they execute like no other company in the world... living by 'profits by margins'.
If you realize why they have the dough in the bank, why they are happy that they have that dough in the bank, and more than anything, HOW, WHEN, & WHY they use it. In my honest opinion, and this is not to piss you off... you don't understand how Apple got to where they are, and where they came from.
You don't understand Apple's ongoing business model. They are where they are for a reason. No luck was involved here. All hard work, and all hard work living by the business model - profits by margins.
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crackbookpro, what's all that got to do with anything I've said?
Are you trying to imply that the desire for a bigger screen iPhone would somehow compromise their "profits by margins" business model? Knowing Apple, they would probably price that higher than the existing model and those of us that want it would probably "shut up and take my money" even if it cost more. They could probably make bigger margins on a bigger screen iPhone as you can only get the Apple experience from Apple so if you want a screen bigger than 4" AND iOS, Apple is the only game in town.
Are you trying to imply that a desire for a bigger screen iPhone would somehow hurt the "profits by margins" on other iPhones? I say not at all. It may hurt some sales volume of existing models as a segment opts for the bigger screen instead of settling for what's available but they would still get their margins either way.
AND I would bet BIG that I understand concepts like business models and Apple's business model better than you. I make my living helping companies enhance their business models and capitalize on other opportunities. When I look at Apple and I look at how many are buying bigger-screen phones in spite of the superior nature of iOS, I see an obvious opportunity for Apple. Whether they choose to take advantage or not is their business but if they would like to have that revenue (and profit) that otherwise doesn't flow to them, it wouldn't be that hard for them to take it.
Even within this thread it is very obvious: there is a bunch of fairly die-hard Apple fans (always a very, VERY biased bunch) that want an iPhone with a bigger screen. Clearly, you appear to NOT be among them... and that's fine. But just because you are so happy with the status quo that you'll make up counter argument points (such as "Apple is hurting" and/or try to make this some argument implication that a bigger screen iPhone will somehow hurt Apple margin objectives is just the same old, same old around here: "I like it as Apple has it now, so everyone else should be just as happy with it too." I'm not you.
As usual, it's another of the same old issues: I get what I want from Apple (which is really just one more product choice) and people like you are completely unaffected- you can still own an iPhone 4" or 3.5". However, you get it your way and people like me have no (Apple) choice beyond the ONE chosen for us all. Choice is good. No choice is only good for the smaller segment who are happy to align with what's available... what a big corporation in California has decided is the ideal size (which only lasts until that big corp rolls out a different size and then the cheerleaders flip their opinions to that new size as the one size ideal for all).
Are you trying to imply that the desire for a bigger screen iPhone would somehow compromise their "profits by margins" business model? Knowing Apple, they would probably price that higher than the existing model and those of us that want it would probably "shut up and take my money" even if it cost more. They could probably make bigger margins on a bigger screen iPhone as you can only get the Apple experience from Apple so if you want a screen bigger than 4" AND iOS, Apple is the only game in town.
Are you trying to imply that a desire for a bigger screen iPhone would somehow hurt the "profits by margins" on other iPhones? I say not at all. It may hurt some sales volume of existing models as a segment opts for the bigger screen instead of settling for what's available but they would still get their margins either way.
AND I would bet BIG that I understand concepts like business models and Apple's business model better than you. I make my living helping companies enhance their business models and capitalize on other opportunities. When I look at Apple and I look at how many are buying bigger-screen phones in spite of the superior nature of iOS, I see an obvious opportunity for Apple. Whether they choose to take advantage or not is their business but if they would like to have that revenue (and profit) that otherwise doesn't flow to them, it wouldn't be that hard for them to take it.
Even within this thread it is very obvious: there is a bunch of fairly die-hard Apple fans (always a very, VERY biased bunch) that want an iPhone with a bigger screen. Clearly, you appear to NOT be among them... and that's fine. But just because you are so happy with the status quo that you'll make up counter argument points (such as "Apple is hurting" and/or try to make this some argument implication that a bigger screen iPhone will somehow hurt Apple margin objectives is just the same old, same old around here: "I like it as Apple has it now, so everyone else should be just as happy with it too." I'm not you.
As usual, it's another of the same old issues: I get what I want from Apple (which is really just one more product choice) and people like you are completely unaffected- you can still own an iPhone 4" or 3.5". However, you get it your way and people like me have no (Apple) choice beyond the ONE chosen for us all. Choice is good. No choice is only good for the smaller segment who are happy to align with what's available... what a big corporation in California has decided is the ideal size (which only lasts until that big corp rolls out a different size and then the cheerleaders flip their opinions to that new size as the one size ideal for all).
It has everything to do with what you said, because you have to understand the business model of Apple. And, if you did, you would want to abandon some of the claims you make about how Apple makes more profits. Overall revenue is not a top tier priority, never was at Apple.
So, I will say this again... they care about profits by margins, and if a certain product doesn't fit into that business model - no dice. Also, the quality has to be there, so if these bigger screens that you want doesn't fit into their QC - no dice.
By the way, you don't get what you want from Apple... Apple puts you into a category, and you are marketed to buy that way for a particular product/service. You bring up the 3.5" screen, and then you don't realize how Apple Developers make Apps, or how they originally made Apps for that screen, and how they have to make Apps now for all the different devices. You don't even get what actually takes place when the 3.5" goes to 4". You don't know the advantage of what the in-cell tech screens allowed for in the iPhone 5.
Also, you asked a couple questions, but my answer will always be the same - Yes, there are many avenues they could hurt their profits by margins stance. There is a lot more strategy than you think. Also, technology advances coinciding with marketing the perception of the product is what Apple pines for. They will never make a product JUST because you need it.
Also, you made a comment that you understand concepts - but, you really don't(or this one at least). And, the more you post on this matter, the more I can tell you are not a businessman. You also said, the bigger screen gives them more profits, but to the contrary, you really don't have a clue about the mid to long-term of a product, especially when it comes to screen size and the tech involved.
Sorry, not trying to bash you - I just don't think you are close to understanding what the next iPhone will be, and now... I don't think you have a damn clue about any future Apple product for that matter.
There is a reason why Apple is the way it is, and why this company is #1 in the world!
Let me ask you a question... Do you think there is more to it than just the SIZE of the screen? If so, what variable does Apple choose when creating a new product? Please clarify on screen size specifically...
So, I will say this again... they care about profits by margins, and if a certain product doesn't fit into that business model - no dice. Also, the quality has to be there, so if these bigger screens that you want doesn't fit into their QC - no dice.
By the way, you don't get what you want from Apple... Apple puts you into a category, and you are marketed to buy that way for a particular product/service. You bring up the 3.5" screen, and then you don't realize how Apple Developers make Apps, or how they originally made Apps for that screen, and how they have to make Apps now for all the different devices. You don't even get what actually takes place when the 3.5" goes to 4". You don't know the advantage of what the in-cell tech screens allowed for in the iPhone 5.
Also, you asked a couple questions, but my answer will always be the same - Yes, there are many avenues they could hurt their profits by margins stance. There is a lot more strategy than you think. Also, technology advances coinciding with marketing the perception of the product is what Apple pines for. They will never make a product JUST because you need it.
Also, you made a comment that you understand concepts - but, you really don't(or this one at least). And, the more you post on this matter, the more I can tell you are not a businessman. You also said, the bigger screen gives them more profits, but to the contrary, you really don't have a clue about the mid to long-term of a product, especially when it comes to screen size and the tech involved.
Sorry, not trying to bash you - I just don't think you are close to understanding what the next iPhone will be, and now... I don't think you have a damn clue about any future Apple product for that matter.
There is a reason why Apple is the way it is, and why this company is #1 in the world!
Let me ask you a question... Do you think there is more to it than just the SIZE of the screen? If so, what variable does Apple choose when creating a new product? Please clarify on screen size specifically...
"Ridiculous" is ignoring the Galaxy S4, that sold 10 million units [Sold, not units shipped to retailers], in less than 1 month.
Hmmm... what size screen does an S4 have....?
There is a market for a larger phone, 10 million people let us know that last month alone. In the same way these very same markets, let Apple know there was a market for a 7" iPad...
Have a nice day.
Poor example. Apple sold almost half of that in two days. So if sales of a phone are an indication of what people want (which they are), the iPhone is still what people want.
Secondly, s4 sales have dropped considerably since that 10m and estimates have been adjustedacross the board by several firms. Sorry but the s4s ten million sold wasn't some direct effect of its screen size.
I charge twice a day minimum.
I have 3 email accounts, push turned off. I have notifications on for 4 or 5 Apps. I send and receive 'groupme' (a little like whats app) messages throughout the day. I'm on 4G (LTE) but the phone has about 2-3 bars all day.
I'm on my second iphone 5, same issues as before.
What screen brightness do you leave it on? On full brightness, the IPhone 5 screen is way brighter than any other phone, so I can't leave it on that all day. But if I dim the screen to a little less than half, the battery life is great and it's still plenty bright. I find the brightness affects my battery life the most.
TOTALLY LUDICROUS !! Think About This
RIDICULOUS
Hey Tim and Company, Listen up. It's taken you how long to break the iPhone into the business market?? Well, I tell you that although many tweenies may want these ridiculous monstrous screens, I do NOT. DO NOT!
Here are my reasons:
-- I don't want a phone that rips my shirt pocket;
-- I don't want a phone that I get carpal tunnel by "1-handing" it!;
-- I don't want a phone that looks like an "iPad Mini child" in Public;
-- PLEASE don't cater to the gamers who should get a Mini if bigger is desired;
-- My wife does NOT want to have to drag her purse everywhere just for Phone
-- Large screen phones have a cool factor of minus 100 since to take a call feels like you are putting the equivalent of putting a 1980's Boom Box to your face to take the call;
-- I don't want to look like a Freak if I happen to need to put the phone in my pants pocket.
-- C'MON PEOPLE, BIGGER IS NOT, REPEAT NOT ALWAYS BETTER. KEEP SOME SENSE OF ELEGANCE IN YOUR DESIGNS.
Tim, I know you were quoted as liking the larger screens, but frankly, it's not about you - no disrespect intended.
-- Some valuable products such as screen protectors, Mophies, etc. take a long time to adapt to a new phone "Footprint" a don't send them back to the drawing boards so soon after the iP5.
RIDICULOUS
Hey Tim and Company, Listen up. It's taken you how long to break the iPhone into the business market?? Well, I tell you that although many tweenies may want these ridiculous monstrous screens, I do NOT. DO NOT!
Here are my reasons:
-- I don't want a phone that rips my shirt pocket;
-- I don't want a phone that I get carpal tunnel by "1-handing" it!;
-- I don't want a phone that looks like an "iPad Mini child" in Public;
-- PLEASE don't cater to the gamers who should get a Mini if bigger is desired;
-- My wife does NOT want to have to drag her purse everywhere just for Phone
-- Large screen phones have a cool factor of minus 100 since to take a call feels like you are putting the equivalent of putting a 1980's Boom Box to your face to take the call;
-- I don't want to look like a Freak if I happen to need to put the phone in my pants pocket.
-- C'MON PEOPLE, BIGGER IS NOT, REPEAT NOT ALWAYS BETTER. KEEP SOME SENSE OF ELEGANCE IN YOUR DESIGNS.
Tim, I know you were quoted as liking the larger screens, but frankly, it's not about you - no disrespect intended.
-- Some valuable products such as screen protectors, Mophies, etc. take a long time to adapt to a new phone "Footprint" a don't send them back to the drawing boards so soon after the iP5.
I think a little bigger than 4 inches is fine, but yeah 5.7 sounds like something samsung would do lol. Really can't see apple putting out a phone so ridiculous
screw the ipad pro, basically like a windows 8 tablet pro version.
i hope all these version will use the same xibs,
having to test on iphone (previous 3.5) and iphone 5 was a bother,
but the mini and ipad were fine.
but cant wait for my 64 GB 5S been waiting to upgrade for a long time
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honestly 3.5 for me was perfect for a phone, just a phone. i mean if u want a bigger option all for it,
but i loved the 3.5 size, i cant even imagine how itll feel like putting a phone bigger than 4" into your pocket, if its not jeans like per say khakis or dress pants/slacks, its not too ideal.
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Apple put out products that Steve Jobs thought you should have. Nothing more, nothing less. Apple revolved entirely around him.
Now that he's gone, Apple is finding out that consumers buy what they want (with the exception of the really vocal minority - the fanboys).
Apple's smartphone market share is sinking fast.
Apple put out products that Steve Jobs thought you should have. Nothing more, nothing less. Apple revolved entirely around him.
Now that he's gone, Apple is finding out that consumers buy what they want (with the exception of the really vocal minority - the fanboys).
Apple's smartphone market share is sinking fast.
You do know that the iPhone 5 with a Mophie is basically the same size at the Galaxy S4.
If you're referring to 5.7" you're right.
4.7" then no, you're wrong on some things.
Also if you wanted the smaller one, buy the smaller one and let people who want bigger screens have them
Exactly. I think the large Android phone explosion proves that people want larger screens. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people who left Apple because of small screens would come back if they released a larger one.
I hey plenty of customers that would switch for a larger screen. They are VERY VOCAL about that