Headlines 6 months ago, Microsoft opens his new data center in Quincy, Washington and will open before 2.012 his new data center in Chicago
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Headlines 6 months ago, Microsoft opens his new data center in Quincy, Washington and will open before 2.012 his new data center in Chicago
This is post is a joke. Because you're stuck in 1992, means iCloud isn't popular?
How do you even have the nerve to post an (antiquated) opinion on something you haven't even tried?
Thankfully most people today do not think as you do.
The local newspaper takes note Facebook is being unusually open about their power conservation methods to improve distribution of best practices for server farms that will be built anyway.
I thought that was interesting, if only for a brief moment of "don't be evil".
Rocketman
I thought that was interesting, if only for a brief moment of "don't be evil".
Rocketman
I am sorry and not to be an ass, but you are way off the mark! The data centers you are looking at are nowhere approaching an exabyte of raw storage. You mean to say petabytes.
Anymore?
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Hopefully all the NC idiots who complained about the tax breaks given to Apple will read this sentence and grasp what it means.
Perhaps it means that Apple is building data centers in both coasts to have a better service?
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What do they do with this data centers? Siri?
What do they do with this data centers? Siri?
Come on, a petabyte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petabyte) is just 1000 Terabytes. Do you seriously think Apple builds a datacenter to deploy about 500 2TB drives that can fit into one (close anyway) standard 48-rack?
Think 500-1000 racks and 500TB/rack with controllers added and you might get closer to the amount.
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That would be good idea, especially since Oregon is the biggest manufacturer of solar panels in the US. Our lottery dollars (idiot tax) paid for subsidies to our industries, including this one.
That power consumption is disgusting. They say the equipment used to run the internet and things like data centres are incredibly pollutant. I suppose it will give Greenpeace more reason to slate Apple and it's uncaring attitude to the planet.
Well I was talking about the NC residents who are upset at the tax breaks, and I highlighted the quote about how Apple is planning to build a datacenter near Facebook's data center in OR. Which should have told you that I wasn't talking about geographic diversity in Apple's planning.
The point was, Apple's "one time" construction in the area in NC could bring other technology investment from other companies. Oh well, it's the internet.
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You might want to read this: http://www.freakonomics.com/2010/11...-be-the-answer-to-americas-poor-savings-rate/
I found it an incredibly interesting idea (that has been successfully put into practice) to help save those idiots from themselves.
I said petabyte(s) as in plural so please reread. Perhaps then you can see how many terabyte(s) are in a exabyte and you can do a little research on what it would take to have fully redundant storage in the exabyte territory.
Having a massive complex full of 1,048,576 one terabyte disks in storage servers/arrays, in racks is not redundant storage. You can then go and do a little research of where we are in 2011 in terms of delivering an exabyte of storage in what would be a compact (unit as a whole) medium and I have news for you it isn't disk drives, it's tape. Tape by itself is slow and it's not redundant.
The only present demand for processing/crunching exabytes worth of data on demand are for three letter agencies (one starts with an N the other starts with a C), not for iCloud.
Hate to burst your bubble, but consumer cloud isn't as big as you think it is.
If Apple really does have 500K 2 terabyte drives, maybe they should just sell them at retail. With the way prices are going, that's going to quadruple their money!
Is the general assumption that all this storage is for iTunes match accounts?
If that's the case, then I'm confused. I always assumed that Apple wouldn't keep a copy of everyone's music, that those millions of songs that are successfully matched would simply be given access to the 1 copy of the song in the iTunes library, thus making it very efficient for people with mostly normal popular songs available in iTunes. Can anyone confirm that this is or is not the case?
If Apple really does have 500K 2 terabyte drives, maybe they should just sell them at retail. With the way prices are going, that's going to quadruple their money!
Is the general assumption that all this storage is for iTunes match accounts?
If that's the case, then I'm confused. I always assumed that Apple wouldn't keep a copy of everyone's music, that those millions of songs that are successfully matched would simply be given access to the 1 copy of the song in the iTunes library, thus making it very efficient for people with mostly normal popular songs available in iTunes. Can anyone confirm that this is or is not the case?
When iTunes matches a song it is for all intents and purposes synced with what is Apple's music library as a whole. When a song is not found it is uploaded to the cloud. Because Apple has a a static figure in their head that each account can have a maximum of 25,000 songs and knowing full well that in 99% of cases you will have a low non match rate compared to their library - they can build an equation from there and scale out for their storage needs.
The bigger portion of the storage would therefore not be relegated to iTunes Match, but iCloud itself and the personal storage associated with that. Because they have an imposed limitation of 5 gigabytes (You can upgrade at a cost) per user and because they are most likely using extremely advanced compression/decompression in the upload/download of that content - they can once again create their own equations for scaling out as future storage becomes a requirement. Remember just as there over a million terabytes in a exabyte there are over a million gigabytes in a petabyte.
If every user were to have upgraded to the maximum allowed storage on iCloud, which at the present time is 50 gigabytes they could support roughly 20,000 users with one petabyte. If you look at their recent orders for storage in the petabyte rage and take figure of 12 petabytes and times you get 240,000 users at full capacity. Because fully capacity is a gross exaggeration in any circumstance take a much more reasonable figure of the average user using 1gb worth of their iCloud storage at any given time and dividing a petabyte by one you are then supporting over a million users times that by 12 and you are supporting 12 million.
So, yes they will need to grow out and they will need to scale, but I doubt they are going to hit an exabyte wall in one datacenter ever. That's preposterous to even think about they would just keep building data centers. It's just pure math and knowing what the statistical trends for data consumption are coupled with scaling out as the consumption trend increases which it will.
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wtf are you talking about?
It's clear you haven't used iCloud because you have no idea what it is apparently. There is no bill to pay, it is free. Just making up bugs doesn't mean they are there. They aren't.
Build it in Grant County WA instead
Grant County, WA has the PUD Dam and the entire county is Fiber to the Home. All but Google and a few others are already there with very large data centers.
Grant County, WA has the PUD Dam and the entire county is Fiber to the Home. All but Google and a few others are already there with very large data centers.
I wonder if Oregon will pay Apple to come there and also pay for the construction of the data center?
That's right. If you don't like something, no one does! Its too bad apple didn't consult with YOU first when they decided to launch iCloud. They could have saved so much money!
Wasn't there a rumour not too long ago that Apple were considering building a solar farm next to their facility in NC?