I'm not surprised, especially when one can get essentially get perceived newer/faster/better/more features equipment for less money.
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Apple Continues to Struggle in India as iPhone Sales Drop 35 Percent in 2016
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lol no one uses 3D Touch and a smart watch without even GPS to not be tethered to your phone is not innovation.
No one? Seems pretty much a lot of people do.....
Well they were bragging about big increases in their latest financial call
[doublepost=1470403475][/doublepost]I'm hoping this trend will be worldwide. Or they'll just increase their prices and will be bragging by making the same profits by selling 2/3 of the amount of phones
This doesn't surprise me in the least. They still can't meet the supply of their least expensive models (iPhone SE) nearly half a year after ist launch. Sales can only drop if you can't deliver. They have a massive supply chain problem somewhere and it's definitely not helping their bottom line.
...or have clean water, etc.etc.
Unfortunately Apple doesn't have a device to stop them from making more people.
That by the way is a worldwide problem.
The planet is about as full as it can be and people live longer than before.
Not everybody will be able to have a job = money.
Only country to ever attack that issue was China.
Overpopulation, now there is an area to innovate in.
Apple is never going to compete in the economy smartphone marketplace.
The so called "lack of innovation" (which is BS) has nothing to do with sales in India. Maybe Apple just can't compete there.
The only thing I find puzzling about Apple is these small, incremental changes to iPhone and Macs. In fact, it seems that sometimes we don't even get incremental changes to hardware, screens, RAM, SSD. Why has it taken so long to move to edge to edge displays on the phone? Why does it take more than 15 months to upgrade the MBP with even modest increases to components (same for iMac)? It just seems like a plodding pace to refresh your lineup. Incremental changes do not equal "innovation".
I will skip the iPhone 7 and hope for a blockbuster iPhone 8. I am patiently waiting to upgrade my iMac with a new iMac or a possibly MacBook Pro but I'm not buying old technology, nor am I buying an iMac without SSD until Apple doesn't try to sodomize me on the upgrade price.
The so called "lack of innovation" (which is BS) has nothing to do with sales in India. Maybe Apple just can't compete there.
The only thing I find puzzling about Apple is these small, incremental changes to iPhone and Macs. In fact, it seems that sometimes we don't even get incremental changes to hardware, screens, RAM, SSD. Why has it taken so long to move to edge to edge displays on the phone? Why does it take more than 15 months to upgrade the MBP with even modest increases to components (same for iMac)? It just seems like a plodding pace to refresh your lineup. Incremental changes do not equal "innovation".
I will skip the iPhone 7 and hope for a blockbuster iPhone 8. I am patiently waiting to upgrade my iMac with a new iMac or a possibly MacBook Pro but I'm not buying old technology, nor am I buying an iMac without SSD until Apple doesn't try to sodomize me on the upgrade price.
It's all about price. Apple needs to lower more.
Each trip I take to India I think to myself, how on earth can these guys afford an iPhone. Nearly 90% of India's population survives on less than a dollar a day. Granted 10% of over a billion people is a lot, you're not leaving yourself with a whole lot of room to target the remaining 90 and no one wants an out dated, second hand iPhone.
Might be time for apple to lower profit expectations, if an iPhone costs $160 to make, don't sell it for $1,000 in their market.
Might be time for apple to lower profit expectations, if an iPhone costs $160 to make, don't sell it for $1,000 in their market.
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I'm wondering how many 600-800 dollar priced android devices get sold there. Probably even fewer.
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Actually no.
All these comments about people not having money to eat, so can't buy iPhone is bull..... Whats your market guys? I would estimate Apple's market to be around 60M in India amongst a population of 500-650M mobile phone users. You just don't know how people are ready to spend. Spending power for the age group between 22-40 is super high at the moment. These 60-80M have deep pockets to give the INR 65,000- INR 80,000. (I can buy a good motorcycle for that price). So, that is the market. The rest is the decently priced and lower priced market. So selling only a few million iPhones is because of other reasons.
Talking about phones:
1. Great variety of handsets/phones available. (Range - INR 15,000 to 35,0000) - which can do what an iphone does (build quality, features etc.)
2. Too many players - excellent competition, network to get phones. Starting from local stores to online sales.
3. Most apple apps DONT work in India.
4. Apart from the "oooh - apple", common man doesn't care. He wants functionality, value for money.
5. Android apps are far more flexible, more customizable and can just do a lot of nerdy things. College kids, youngsters - the new gen who earn more and are ready to live on credit! - the previous generation thought different, save first, rest use for spending.
6. Android apps - more options I would say.
7. As for Quality, I have never bought a product which didn't work. And if it didn't after a few years, there are enough places to get it repaired or it not that expensive to buy a new one.
8. iPhone customer service in India is not like how it is here in the US... its convoluted. A non-iPhone user probably has better ways to get his phone fixed if it doesn't work than a guy who spent INR 70K.
Tim is targeting some of these by opning up a developer center, retail stores etc. You can't boss around, you got to play by the rules of the land. Do what you need to, and then enter the market. An Indian buyer always loves aggressively priced products. Its not being cheap, its looking for value.
All other reasons stating economic conditions is just nonsense - that is not your market.
Talking about phones:
1. Great variety of handsets/phones available. (Range - INR 15,000 to 35,0000) - which can do what an iphone does (build quality, features etc.)
2. Too many players - excellent competition, network to get phones. Starting from local stores to online sales.
3. Most apple apps DONT work in India.
4. Apart from the "oooh - apple", common man doesn't care. He wants functionality, value for money.
5. Android apps are far more flexible, more customizable and can just do a lot of nerdy things. College kids, youngsters - the new gen who earn more and are ready to live on credit! - the previous generation thought different, save first, rest use for spending.
6. Android apps - more options I would say.
7. As for Quality, I have never bought a product which didn't work. And if it didn't after a few years, there are enough places to get it repaired or it not that expensive to buy a new one.
8. iPhone customer service in India is not like how it is here in the US... its convoluted. A non-iPhone user probably has better ways to get his phone fixed if it doesn't work than a guy who spent INR 70K.
Tim is targeting some of these by opning up a developer center, retail stores etc. You can't boss around, you got to play by the rules of the land. Do what you need to, and then enter the market. An Indian buyer always loves aggressively priced products. Its not being cheap, its looking for value.
All other reasons stating economic conditions is just nonsense - that is not your market.
Apple actually increased the prices of the existing iPhone 6 and 6 plus when they launched the SE because the SE was so overpriced that no one was buying them . I think that was terrible move when iPhonea were already overpriced in India . Since then the phone sales have dropped . Chinese android phones are being sold in huge numbers with pretty much the same features for a much lower cost . Most of them looks like iPhone 6 clones anyway . Time to reduce prices apple , not increase them
It seems to be affecting the watch industry
Copied in patent applications
I guess it's not doing anything right?
Let's see if 3D Touch is copied in the future. I guess we will see then it's effect. But...if you don't think that 3D Touch is new and innovative then...I guess your expectations are far higher than most.
If 3D Touch isn't used by many and isn't innovative...what feature added to any other phone fits those two criteria? I keep hearing Apple isn't as innovative as others...but what "innovative" features are they comparing to?
No one is taking you seriously. How about you provide some info instead of providing ignorance? 3D touch is most innovative and useful feature in years in any phone. I don't want a phone without it.
Apple sure likes to force countries....
Apple is acting like their a law and every country *must* have a store in because *we* want to control you..
Glad to see India is resisting due to pricing here...Seems to be a good foot hold for India.. They have every right to make their own mind up like everyone does. ..
Apple is acting like their a law and every country *must* have a store in because *we* want to control you..
Glad to see India is resisting due to pricing here...Seems to be a good foot hold for India.. They have every right to make their own mind up like everyone does. ..
What???? The high class council estate Elite down the road living off unemployment benefits have iPhones
on a serious note .... You need to get out more , the 3rd world as you imagine has moved on from those old documentaries . They even have electricity in India and China now
To be fair thinking that Apple will someday corner the mobile market in India seems just ridiculous, and it's just nit going to happen.
What I believe they should be doing is that instead of targeting the everyday-common-man who probably can't afford as it's more than his monthly salary, they should simply refocus on the top 5% in India.
I mean even just that much of a population would be in millions, enough to generate billions.
What also should help is to drop the SE's price and take a few hits on their margin, and continue to sell older iPhone which still work pretty great!
What I believe they should be doing is that instead of targeting the everyday-common-man who probably can't afford as it's more than his monthly salary, they should simply refocus on the top 5% in India.
I mean even just that much of a population would be in millions, enough to generate billions.
What also should help is to drop the SE's price and take a few hits on their margin, and continue to sell older iPhone which still work pretty great!
FWIW, this article is about India.
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How are they forcing anyone? They're trying to make a business deal. So far they've tried to do that by opening and offering to open more operations in India (like Maps office, manufacturing). When India sees it to be a good deal, they'll make the deal.