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Well of course you think the analogy is sound, you came up with the silly thing :rolleyes:. Like I said, thankfully you are one of the few (see 2 people) who think it is. There is hope for the human race yet. If your analogy is sound then you, by necessity, are implying:

1) You had no choice but to buy the iPhone (much like you have to buy gas)
2) The iPhone is an essential product if you want a smartphone (much like gas is if you want to drive)
3) You knew the price of the iPhone before and after purchase (much like you do with gas)
4) You bought it anyway (like you do at the pump)
5) You aren't happy with the success of Apple, because they are clearly forcing you to buy their product if you want a smartphone (much like gas companies force you to buy gas if you want to drive)

If the above 5 things are true, then yes...your analogy is sound. If the above 5 things are true, then you are also a pretty funny guy (but not on purpose of course, it's one of those "at you, not with you" things). :D

Your "test" isn't even valid. But you know that. If you don't - then you really don't understand the analogy.

And you and MAYBE one other person doesn't think the analogy is sound. So how is your position any stronger. You have what - one MAYBE two who don't think the analogy works? Well done. You've TOTALLY made your point with that comment.
 
It doesn't matter if it's the OEMs, the carriers, or my mom who's lowering the price of the phone, my point (which you ignored and couldn't counter with anything other then a strawman) was that these phones lower in price because they don't sell. Nothing more, nothing less.

If they were't "selling" wouldn't they turn into loss leaders and suffer the same fate as the HP TouchPad?

If a phone is offered 100% subsidised (given away free with the signup of a second calling plan), is it safe to assume that the iPhones, Windows Phones, Symbain phones, Android phones and Bada powered phones offered with a 100% subsidy "free" on contract in the UK are also not selling?

http://www.quidco.com/three/

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A hundred and nine quid (172.053 USD) cashback on the iPhone 4s? They can't even sell them they have to give cash back? They must be teh suck! [sarcasm in case you thought I was serious]

Carrier subsidies, BOGO offers and cashback offers are done with the carriers interest at heart. To lock another customer into a 2 year contract with an undoubtedly expensive ETF attached. They can't really lose.

Just to clarify, the £109 cashback offer is avaiable on other handsets too. I recieved £109 cashback on Three with my SGSII
 

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Your "test" isn't even valid. But you know that. If you don't - then you really don't understand the analogy.

And you and MAYBE one other person doesn't think the analogy is sound. So how is your position any stronger. You have what - one MAYBE two who don't think the analogy works? Well done. You've TOTALLY made your point with that comment.

Wait, so I have to prove that the analogy is sound? LOL, how does that work? Someone brings up a silly analogy, and it's my job to prove it? Here let me try something. My "test" is perfectly valid, you're just mad because it is. Is that the end all be all? (that seems to be your strategy). Like I said, everyone here has the option to buy something other then an iPhone. To ignore that option and buy it anyway, and then cry about Apple's success is funny indeed. (Funny especially because you claim not to own an Android phone, so you're one of the multi-millions who voluntarily contributed to Apple's profits). Yes, the gas company analogy is sound :rolleyes:...so so sound.

If they were't "selling" wouldn't they turn into loss leaders and suffer the same fate as the HP TouchPad?

If a phone is offered 100% subsidised (given away free with the signup of a second calling plan), is it safe to assume that the iPhones, Windows Phones, Symbain phones, Android phones and Bada powered phones offered with a 100% subsidy "free" on contract in the UK are also not selling?

http://www.quidco.com/three/



A hundred and nine quid (172.053 USD) cashback on the iPhone 4s? They can't even sell them they have to give cash back? They must be teh suck! [sarcasm in case you thought I was serious]

Carrier subsidies, BOGO offers and cashback offers are done with the carriers interest at heart. To lock another customer into a 2 year contract with an undoubtedly expensive ETF attached. They can't really lose.

Just to clarify, the £109 cashback offer is avaiable on other handsets too. I recieved £109 cashback on Three with my SGSII

There's no dependence on carriers (or not as much) in other countries, so your argument is a little flawed. You've got android phones that come out at $299 on a two-year contract here in the US, which, 6 months later are $0.01, or given away as BOGO or buy 1 get 3 free deals. If you're trying to tell me that carriers are not trying to push unsold merchandise then I'm not sure what to tell you. Of course it benefits them because of new contracts and ETFs, but if that's all it was about, why aren't iPhones being given away like that in the US? I mean, the 4S will undoubtedly be the best selling phone of all time, the 4 is the best selling phone of all time, and the 3Gs is the second best selling phone of all time. Common sense would dictate that offering BOGOs on the most successful phones of ALL TIME would garner you millions of customers right? So why isn't that happening? Simple. Because people are willing to buy the phone at whatever price its offered, and there's no need to entice them to sign up for 2 year contracts by giving away 5 free for the price of 1.

The HP Touchpad was not carrier dependent. It was simply a crappy tablet.
 
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It's ok to admit when you're wrong and it's been proven to you. We'll respect you more for it. (re: giving away phones for free). You can't talk your way out of it.

As for the analogy - you missed the point. No one is crying over Apple's success. That's all in your head. Maybe you need to go back and read the thread and how the discussion developed. You seem to have forgotten. I don't blame you - it's a very long thread.

And yes - I bought an iPhone. Along with an iPad, iMac and Apple TV. Why? Because for me - they were/are the best products for my use case. Where do you see ME complaining about paying too much. Here's a hint - you don't. I've never said I felt I paid to much or I was unhappy with my purchases or regretted them. So I really have no idea what you're trying to "prove" there. You've got nothing except some crazy idea that I'm all about Android. I'm not. I would definitely consider an Android phone as my next purchase though. When the time comes - I will evaluate all my options and choose what's best for ME.

Criticizing Apple in whatever way - whether it's their management, actions or products doesn't make someone a "fandroid." Only someone extremely ignorant, shallow and polarizing would think that way.


Wait, so I have to prove that the analogy is sound? LOL, how does that work? Someone brings up a silly analogy, and it's my job to prove it? Here let me try something. My "test" is perfectly valid, you're just mad because it is. Is that the end all be all? (that seems to be your strategy). Like I said, everyone here has the option to buy something other then an iPhone. To ignore that option and buy it anyway, and then cry about Apple's success is funny indeed. (Funny especially because you claim not to own an Android phone, so you're one of the multi-millions who contributed to Apple's profits). Yes, the gas company analogy is sound :rolleyes:...so so sound.



There's no dependence on carriers (or not as much) in other countries, so your argument is a little flawed. You've got android phones that come out at $299 on a two-year contract here in the US, which, 6 months later are $0.01, or given away as BOGO or buy 1 get 3 free deals. If you're trying to tell me that carriers are not trying to push unsold merchandise then I'm not sure what to tell you. Of course it benefits them because of new contracts and ETFs, but if that's all it was about, why aren't iPhones being given away like that in the US? I mean, the 4S will undoubtedly be the best selling phone of all time, the 4 is the best selling phone of all time, and the 3Gs is the second best selling phone of all time. Common sense would dictate that offering BOGOs on the most successful phones of ALL TIME would garner you millions of customers right? So why isn't that happening? Simple. Because people are willing to buy the phone at whatever price its offered, and there's no need to entice them to sign up for 2 year contracts by giving away 5 free for the price of 1.

The HP Touchpad was not carrier dependent. It was simply a crappy tablet.
 
It's ok to admit when you're wrong and it's been proven to you. We'll respect you more for it. (re: giving away phones for free). You can't talk your way out of it.

As for the analogy - you missed the point. No one is crying over Apple's success. That's all in your head. Maybe you need to go back and read the thread and how the discussion developed. You seem to have forgotten. I don't blame you - it's a very long thread.

And yes - I bought an iPhone. Along with an iPad, iMac and Apple TV. Why? Because for me - they were/are the best products for my use case. Where do you see ME complaining about paying too much. Here's a hint - you don't. I've never said I felt I paid to much or I was unhappy with my purchases or regretted them. So I really have no idea what you're trying to "prove" there. You've got nothing except some crazy idea that I'm all about Android. I'm not. I would definitely consider an Android phone as my next purchase though. When the time comes - I will evaluate all my options and choose what's best for ME.

Criticizing Apple in whatever way - whether it's their management, actions or products doesn't make someone a "fandroid." Only someone extremely ignorant, shallow and polarizing would think that way.

No one's crying about Apple's successes? So when people say "pick those pockets clean!" and "overpriced" they're voicing their support for Apple? I didn't miss any point, you're twisting the point to suit your needs (much like you nitpicked on me saying OEMs lower prices instead of focusing on the point of my post).

Like I said, you especially are funny because you "claim" you only have Apple products. If you're not criticizing Apple's strategy, their profits, their products, or their successes what exactly are you criticizing? Are you criticizing anything at all? What is your argument in this thread? Maybe you should learn to make your point clear?

Second, since you seem to have a great grasp on what the gas analogy means, maybe you'd like to explain it to me? Since, you know, I "missed the point of the analogy". What to you, is the point of the analogy?
 
No thanks. I'm stubborn. I admit that. You clearly are too. But this round-and-round is now boring. Nice "claim" in quotes. As with everything - you will choose to believe whatever you want. But just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Good luck with that.

No one's crying about Apple's successes? So when people say "pick those pockets clean!" and "overpriced" they're voicing their support for Apple? I didn't miss any point, you're twisting the point to suit your needs (much like you nitpicked on me saying OEMs lower prices instead of focusing on the point of my post).

Like I said, you especially are funny because you "claim" you only have Apple products. If you're not criticizing Apple's strategy, their profits, their products, or their successes what exactly are you criticizing? Are you criticizing anything at all? What is your argument in this thread? Maybe you should learn to make your point clear?

Second, since you seem to have a great grasp on what the gas analogy means, maybe you'd like to explain it to me? Since, you know, I "missed the point of the analogy". What to you, is the point of the analogy?
 
No thanks. I'm stubborn. I admit that. You clearly are too. But this round-and-round is now boring. Nice "claim" in quotes. As with everything - you will choose to believe whatever you want. But just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Good luck with that.

Ok. This is the third time I'm saying this to you. Cool. Have a nice day. And here's an addendum, please stop the childish back and forth with me. Just ignore me, the link is in my sig. If you're not going to answer the questions asked of you, you're wasting my time. So...have a nice day.
 
Ok. This is the third time I'm saying this to you. Cool. Have a nice day. And here's an addendum, please stop the childish back and forth with me. Just ignore me, the link is in my sig. If you're not going to answer the questions asked of you, you're wasting my time. So...have a nice day.

No thanks. I'll respond to whoever I want as this is a public message forum. If you don't like it - you can choose to ignore me. I answered your questions. I'm just done because we're at an impasse and my time is far more valuable. Any time you (or I) have have spent has been our own decision. I haven't wasted your time. You've wasted your time. Take ownership of your own actions.
 
No thanks. I'll respond to whoever I want as this is a public message forum. If you don't like it - you can choose to ignore me. I answered your questions. I'm just done because we're at an impasse and my time is far more valuable. Any time you (or I) have have spent has been our own decision. I haven't wasted your time. You've wasted your time. Take ownership of your own actions.

LOL. K. Glutton for punishment I see, whatever floats your boat, buddy. Have a good day, ya hear?
 
There's no dependence on carriers (or not as much) in other countries, so your argument is a little flawed.

Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you referring to the "pay as you go" and "SIM free" sales models where a monthly bill is not required but users top up their calling time or use their own sim? If that is the case, top end smartphone on PAYG plans and even sim-free handsets are very expensive, be they Android, WP7 or iOS based.

You've got android phones that come out at $299 on a two-year contract here in the US, which, 6 months later are $0.01, or given away as BOGO or buy 1 get 3 free deals. If you're trying to tell me that carriers are not trying to push unsold merchandise then I'm not sure what to tell you. Of course it benefits them because of new contracts and ETFs, but if that's all it was about, why aren't iPhones being given away like that in the US?
6 months in the Android world is a very short amount of time as newer models are being released far more frequently. Look at the release schedules of Samsung or HTC and you'll see newer models, pushing the value of older models down far sooner than any iPhone with it's 12/16 month refresh cycle.

I mean, the 4S will undoubtedly be the best selling phone of all time, the 4 is the best selling phone of all time, and the 3Gs is the second best selling phone of all time. Common sense would dictate that offering BOGOs on the most successful phones of ALL TIME would garner you millions of customers right? So why isn't that happening? Simple. Because people are willing to buy the phone at whatever price its offered, and there's no need to entice them to sign up for 2 year contracts by giving away 5 free for the price of 1.

The HP Touchpad was not carrier dependent. It was simply a crappy tablet.

The success of the iPhone shouldn't be questioned ("best selling phone of all time" - Kanye West) but with Android handsets being superseded far faster than Apple is willing to release new models, isn't an apparently regular drop in value logical?

BOGFF? Now you're getting crazy. :D The touchpad thing was a reference to firesales, sell them for $99 to clear inventory!
 
You've missed the point, much like you always seem to do. At some point it becomes obvious that you're not actually missing the point, but simply ignoring it because you know it's right. It doesn't matter if it's the OEMs, the carriers, or my mom who's lowering the price of the phone, my point (which you ignored and couldn't counter with anything other then a strawman) was that these phones lower in price because they don't sell. Nothing more, nothing less. The iPhone retains it's price and doesn't need to be sold BOGO because people (including yourself by your own admission) are willing to pay for it. So to ignore the point on purpose because you know it's right is hilarious at best, and childish at worst. When you're ready to discuss the actual points I discussed, I'm willing to listen.



Well of course you think the analogy is sound, you came up with the silly thing :rolleyes:. Like I said, thankfully you are one of the few (see 2 people) who think it is. There is hope for the human race yet. If your analogy is sound then you, by necessity, are implying:

1) You had no choice but to buy the iPhone (much like you have to buy gas)
2) The iPhone is an essential product if you want a smartphone (much like gas is if you want to drive)
3) You knew the price of the iPhone before and after purchase (much like you do with gas)
4) You bought it anyway (like you do at the pump)
5) You aren't happy with the success of Apple, because they are clearly forcing you to buy their product if you want a smartphone (much like gas companies force you to buy gas if you want to drive)

If the above 5 things are true, then yes...your analogy is sound. If the above 5 things are true, then you are also a pretty funny guy (but not on purpose of course, it's one of those "at you, not with you" things). :D

I don't have to buy Exxon gas. I can buy BP, Shell, Sunoco, etc. It's my choice to buy Exxon. And you've obviously missed the entire point of the analogy. It has nothing to do with not wanting Apple to succeed. I want Exxon to succeed too. They make some great petroleum products. Maybe you should write a blog about it?
 
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you referring to the "pay as you go" and "SIM free" sales models where a monthly bill is not required but users top up their calling time or use their own sim? If that is the case, top end smartphone on PAYG plans and even sim-free handsets are very expensive, be they Android, WP7 or iOS based.

I retract what I said about your argument being flawed. I'm not confident enough about how carriers in other countries work to comment. I was under the impression that you aren't "bound" by carriers in other countries, but I'm sure I'm wrong.

6 months in the Android world is a very short amount of time as newer models are being released far more frequently. Look at the release schedules of Samsung or HTC and you'll see newer models, pushing the value of older models down far sooner than any iPhone with it's 12/16 month refresh cycle.

Absolutely 6 months is a long time in Android world. That doesn't explain the Bionic being a penny less then a month after release. In android world, the strategy is sell at any means necessary. These phones don't hold a candle to iPhone when it comes to sales, so saying "they don't sell" isn't an invalid statement. If people are willing to pay for something, they will buy it. That's economics 101. If the Bionic was selling, at a rate appreciable to the carriers, they simply would not drop the price. Perceived value or not. Does the 3Gs have a high perceived value? Yet it is the 2nd best selling phone of all time and that was without any price drop at all until "recently" (relatively speaking). The RAZR just came out (and has specs arguably better then the Galaxy Nexus), within a month it will drop in price, it simply will. These phones are not being superseded by far better, more amazing phones. They're simply not selling at the price they're being offered for.


The success of the iPhone shouldn't be questioned ("best selling phone of all time" - Kanye West) but with Android handsets being superseded far faster than Apple is willing to release new models, isn't an apparently regular drop in value logical?

See above. 6 months was something I said, it's not gospel. Android phones drop price almost immediately, and we're not talking old phones. We're talking 4G, dual core phones. It's not like these phones are being superseded in tech by the newer phones, so where is the value drop? Pure perception? Yes, when they don't sell, perception can cause a value drop, I agree.

BOGFF? Now you're getting crazy. :D The touchpad thing was a reference to firesales, sell them for $99 to clear inventory!

Hyperbole obviously. Like I said, the Touchpad was for lack of a better word, crap. Plain and simple. That's why they firesold it. I'm not saying Android phones are crappy, and when I say they don't sell, I mean they don't sell anywhere close to what the carriers or OEMs expect (how could they and how could you argue otherwise?) and that dictates a price drop to get rid of remaining inventory.

I don't have to buy Exxon gas. I can buy BP, Shell, Sunoco, etc. It's my choice to buy Exxon. And you've obviously missed the entire point of the analogy. It has nothing to do with not wanting Apple to succeed. I want Exxon to succeed too. They make some great petroleum products. Maybe you should write a blog about it?

Your "analogy" (if you want to call it that) fails because if you want an iPhone, you have to buy it from Apple. If you don't want one you can buy another smartphone, and Apple won't mind but it won't be an iPhone. Gas is not an exclusive to Exxon product. You can buy it from wherever you want, and you can shop for a lower price. If you want an iPhone, you get it from Apple, simple and plain. Like I said, for the third time, if you voluntarily buy something knowing full well the price, whether its Exxon/Apple/Uncle Jim it's nonsensical to say "Pick those pockets clean!" or "So overpriced!". That's why your "analogy" is flawed.

If you, without being under any duress, voluntarily go to an Apple store and buy an iPhone, and then say "pick those pockets clean! :) :) :) " I'm being honest with you, I'm laughing at you, quite heartily too. You're, for lack of a better word, being ripped off BIG TIME, and Apple is undoubtedly laughing at you as well because you seem to think you're some sort of smart consumer who realizes you're getting ripped off yet continues to get ripped off.

About my blog, you seem upset about it. I understand that, because you see yourself in all my articles. Thanks for reading it though :D.
 
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Hyperbole obviously. Like I said, the Touchpad was for lack of a better word, crap. Plain and simple. That's why they firesold it. I'm not saying Android phones are crappy, and when I say they don't sell, I mean they don't sell anywhere close to what the carriers or OEMs expect (how could they and how could you argue otherwise?) and that dictates a price drop to get rid of remaining inventory.

It's all good Voonyx, the hyperbole made me smile and was taken in jest. :D

I can't help but think that carriers worldwide would have already dropped Android handsets if they were such a pain to shift with a decent return for their investment. It is clear to me that there are two very different perspectives at play here between you and I and the fact we live in countries where sales models are very different may not be helping things.

Honestly tho I enjoy the discussion and the massive variances in all of our opinions! Keep it coming. :D
 
It's all good Voonyx, the hyperbole made me smile and was taken in jest. :D

I can't help but think that carriers worldwide would have already dropped Android handsets if they were such a pain to shift with a decent return for their investment. It is clear to me that there are two very different perspectives at play here between you and I and the fact we live in countries where sales models are very different may not be helping things.

Honestly tho I enjoy the discussion and the massive variances in all of our opinions! Keep it coming. :D

Thanks, sir. I appreciate the discussions with you as well.
 
About my blog, you seem upset about it. I understand that, because you see yourself in all my articles.

No one could see themselves in your "articles." Is that what you're calling what you write - articles? They are blog posts. Not articles.

But back to my point - no one could possibly see themselves in your posts on that blog because you're so over-dramatic and speak in hyperbole (like you just did earlier) that one would have to be a complete caricature to be remotely like anyone you speak of. You either have anger issues that need to be resolved, like to see yourself in print even if it's on your own blog, or have way too much time on your hands to devote to being what you consider the "Braveheart" of the anti-Android movement.

Good luck.
 
No one could see themselves in your "articles." Is that what you're calling what you write - articles? They are blog posts. Not articles.

But back to my point - no one could possibly see themselves in your posts on that blog because you're so over-dramatic and speak in hyperbole (like you just did earlier) that one would have to be a complete caricature to be remotely like anyone you speak of. You either have anger issues that need to be resolved, like to see yourself in print even if it's on your own blog, or have way too much time on your hands to devote to being what you consider the "Braveheart" of the anti-Android movement.

Good luck.

Cool. Have a good day. Or you know, keep trying to convince me you're not upset.
 
Cool. Have a good day. Or you know, keep trying to convince me you're not upset.

LOL - keep trying to convince me that I am.

It's obvious you are though. Just look at your blog. Even if it's in jest it shows that you care enough to rage on and on. Classic transference. Love it.
 
I retract what I said about your argument being flawed. I'm not confident enough about how carriers in other countries work to comment. I was under the impression that you aren't "bound" by carriers in other countries, but I'm sure I'm wrong.



Absolutely 6 months is a long time in Android world. That doesn't explain the Bionic being a penny less then a month after release. In android world, the strategy is sell at any means necessary. These phones don't hold a candle to iPhone when it comes to sales, so saying "they don't sell" isn't an invalid statement. If people are willing to pay for something, they will buy it. That's economics 101. If the Bionic was selling, at a rate appreciable to the carriers, they simply would not drop the price. Perceived value or not. Does the 3Gs have a high perceived value? Yet it is the 2nd best selling phone of all time and that was without any price drop at all until "recently" (relatively speaking). The RAZR just came out (and has specs arguably better then the Galaxy Nexus), within a month it will drop in price, it simply will. These phones are not being superseded by far better, more amazing phones. They're simply not selling at the price they're being offered for.




See above. 6 months was something I said, it's not gospel. Android phones drop price almost immediately, and we're not talking old phones. We're talking 4G, dual core phones. It's not like these phones are being superseded in tech by the newer phones, so where is the value drop? Pure perception? Yes, when they don't sell, perception can cause a value drop, I agree.



Hyperbole obviously. Like I said, the Touchpad was for lack of a better word, crap. Plain and simple. That's why they firesold it. I'm not saying Android phones are crappy, and when I say they don't sell, I mean they don't sell anywhere close to what the carriers or OEMs expect (how could they and how could you argue otherwise?) and that dictates a price drop to get rid of remaining inventory.



Your "analogy" (if you want to call it that) fails because if you want an iPhone, you have to buy it from Apple. If you don't want one you can buy another smartphone, and Apple won't mind but it won't be an iPhone. Gas is not an exclusive to Exxon product. You can buy it from wherever you want, and you can shop for a lower price. If you want an iPhone, you get it from Apple, simple and plain. Like I said, for the third time, if you voluntarily buy something knowing full well the price, whether its Exxon/Apple/Uncle Jim it's nonsensical to say "Pick those pockets clean!" or "So overpriced!". That's why your "analogy" is flawed.

If you, without being under any duress, voluntarily go to an Apple store and buy an iPhone, and then say "pick those pockets clean! :) :) :) " I'm being honest with you, I'm laughing at you, quite heartily too. You're, for lack of a better word, being ripped off BIG TIME, and Apple is undoubtedly laughing at you as well because you seem to think you're some sort of smart consumer who realizes you're getting ripped off yet continues to get ripped off.

About my blog, you seem upset about it. I understand that, because you see yourself in all my articles. Thanks for reading it though :D.

You really don't understand, do you? I tried. Oh well.
 
LOL - keep trying to convince me that I am.

It's obvious you are though. Just look at your blog. Even if it's in jest it shows that you care enough to rage on and on. Classic transference. Love it.

Easy, shrink. I am upset at people who bash companies for no reason. I've stated this countless times. Unlike you, I don't need to hide that fact. You're upset because you're the type of person I write about. I understand your feelings and I understand why you're upset. You swear you're not upset but continue to quote everything I say and disagree with it, and insult my blog (as if you're not reading it :rolleyes: ). Heck, you even went so far as to compare another user to me (by name) simply because they didn't agree with you, when I had nothing to do with the convo. And you're trying to tell me you're not upset? Keep the pseudo-psychology at home, buddy...I will now ignore you, because frankly I don't want to be in another time-out because I'm arguing back and forth with you. You can continue reading my blog though, as I know you do daily.

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You really don't understand, do you? I tried. Oh well.

I appreciate the poor effort, though! Bravo.
 
Easy, shrink. I am upset at people who bash companies for no reason. I've stated this countless times. Unlike you, I don't need to hide that fact. You're upset because you're the type of person I write about. I understand your feelings and I understand why you're upset. You swear you're not upset but continue to quote everything I say and disagree with it, and insult my blog (as if you're not reading it :rolleyes: ). Heck, you even went so far as to compare another user to me (by name) simply because they didn't agree with you, when I had nothing to do with the convo. And you're trying to tell me you're not upset? Keep the pseudo-psychology at home, buddy...I will now ignore you, because frankly I don't want to be in another time-out because I'm arguing back and forth with you. You can continue reading my blog though, as I know you do daily.



I appreciate the poor effort, though! Bravo.

Yeah - actually it was in this thread. And you keep saying I'm upset doesn't make it true. Just like you saying the analogy is poor doesn't make it poor. I also never said I didn't read your blog. I think I was quite obvious in that I did read it. I posted about it. I've called you out on it.

What company have I bashed without reason? Exactly.

Keep on writing. Your blog is great comedy and one that will, I am sure, bring you some attention. Just not for the accolades you think you deserve LOL

I'm glad you have me on ignore now though (if you even really do). It's a prime example how you need to self-censor yourself because you have little control over your emotions and fingers. Especially when it comes to trying to have a rational discussion.

Have a great day Voonyx. Keep on writin'
 
Easy, shrink. I am upset at people who bash companies for no reason. I've stated this countless times. Unlike you, I don't need to hide that fact. You're upset because you're the type of person I write about. I understand your feelings and I understand why you're upset. You swear you're not upset but continue to quote everything I say and disagree with it, and insult my blog (as if you're not reading it :rolleyes: ). Heck, you even went so far as to compare another user to me (by name) simply because they didn't agree with you, when I had nothing to do with the convo. And you're trying to tell me you're not upset? Keep the pseudo-psychology at home, buddy...I will now ignore you, because frankly I don't want to be in another time-out because I'm arguing back and forth with you. You can continue reading my blog though, as I know you do daily.



I appreciate the poor effort, though! Bravo.

Hey the gas analogy only works to serve on point. People who cheer apple profits are delusional unless they are shareholders. Whether or not you actually bought the iPhone, knowingly is irrelevant. People should raise their eyebrows about that because it begs to question.. what is apple offering that makes 70% profit right? Are their components better(Hint: they aren't), software vastly better or slightly?(Subjective)

You dont see people saying hurray for Exxon, Starbucks, Chipotle etc for higher than average industry profits.

Why do some apple fanboys defend it? You can own an iphone/ipad/mac and still not like the fact that you are being robbed(Dollars, maybe not emotionally).
 
Hey the gas analogy only works to serve on point. People who cheer apple profits are delusional unless they are shareholders. Whether or not you actually bought the iPhone, knowingly is irrelevant. People should raise their eyebrows about that because it begs to question.. what is apple offering that makes 70% profit right? Are their components better(Hint: they aren't), software vastly better or slightly?(Subjective)

You dont see people saying hurray for Exxon, Starbucks, Chipotle etc for higher than average industry profits.

Why do some apple fanboys defend it? You can own an iphone/ipad/mac and still not like the fact that you are being robbed(Dollars, maybe not emotionally).

Well said. It will fall on deaf ears because Voonyx lost sight of what the original analogy was illustrating. He keeps insisting its poor because he doesn't know or forgot what the original REFERENCE was.

Here's a reminder (even though he supposedly has me on ignore):

Originally Posted by *LTD* View Post
We don't really mind.

More profit for the company that makes the products we want, means more ability and resources for them to continue doing the same. It means that what we invested over the years in their ecosystem won't go down the drain due to slow or halted development, lack of support, etc. As in, a WebOS/Palm situation.

Plus, Apple is a truly impressive business case study. Obviously the reactions to their moves are often going to be equally impressive. They're a great example of how to run a business.

What is your favorite oil company? Would you smile while paying $10 gallon for gas so they could keep drilling and supply you with that wonderful gasoline? Exxon is a great example of how to run a business too. How about your electric company? Are they doing ok too? Wouldn't you feel better if they raised your rates so that they had some extra capital in case of an emergency? I'm pretty sure an unbiased, open minded individual such as your self would feel this way, but one never knows.

Applescruff was pointing out the absurdity of the situation. Apparently that was lost on some like Voonyx. Ah well. At least he's got his blog to keep him warm.
 
Hey the gas analogy only works to serve on point. People who cheer apple profits are delusional unless they are shareholders. Whether or not you actually bought the iPhone, knowingly is irrelevant. People should raise their eyebrows about that because it begs to question.. what is apple offering that makes 70% profit right? Are their components better(Hint: they aren't), software vastly better or slightly?(Subjective)

You dont see people saying hurray for Exxon, Starbucks, Chipotle etc for higher than average industry profits.

Why do some apple fanboys defend it? You can own an iphone/ipad/mac and still not like the fact that you are being robbed(Dollars, maybe not emotionally).

Your point is well taken, and I agree with it. My point is to those who say things like "Pick those pockets clean!" and then say they only own Apple products also and are not here to bash Apple. Makes no sense. You are not, and will never be forced to buy an Apple product. People cheer Apple's profits because Apple creates products that people love, and if they're making money, they're going to create more and better products and be around to support their products. Simple as that. There's no other reason, no ulterior motives, no analysis needed and that was discussed in probably the 2nd page of this thread.

The problem is the reason that was given rubbed the "smart" consumers the wrong way (you know the ones who know they're getting ripped off, and continue to allow themselves to get ripped off :rolleyes: ). When it comes down to it, the answer to the question "Why are you cheering Apple's profits?" will never have a suitable answer to those types, so that makes the point of this thread nil. However, the question was answered...a long time ago.

The difference between Apple and gas companies is that gas companies sell a product that is the exact same product sold by every gas company in the world. Exxon gas doesn't have fairy dust in it as compared to Shell. If you want gas, you're going to get the same gas no matter where you shop. Gas is an essential part of driving, and almost an essential part of daily life itself. Owning a smartphone is not. Comparing gasoline (or gas companies) to mobile telephones (or Apple) is ridiculous and stupid.
 
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