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Apple Continues Work on First Leopard Update (10.5.1 Build 9B16)

People can tell Apple that we want a customizable GUI, like turn off or back on the eye candy when you want, the ability to change the brushed metal look of the windows to something else, change the sliders look color and what not. adjust and clearness of the menu , change the color of the Apple menu. i think Apple should want users to customize the way OS X looks, and provide a way to do it, and a tool to make your own and not have to rely on 3rd party mod's and hacks to obtain it.

i cant wait till 10.5.1 comes out so i can update and read what all they fixed, but i dont want them to rush it out and break more then they fix, or have a junk update. and i feel the same way for the 10.4.11 update as well
 
Quitting Call of Dooty 2 on my white 24" iMac w/NVIDIA GeForce 7600GT frequently ends up with a totally screwed screen and:
Code: 
kernel    NVChannel(GL): Graphics channel timeout!
in the console log.

a) I hope this gets sorted in 10.5.1

b) Connecting via Remote Desktop it's apparent that everything is running fine behind the (non)display. Anyone know how to zap the graphics back into life without restarting the machine ?
 
I hope this is a massive set of bug fixes, hopefully a ton more than a couple dozen.

Leopard overall is relatively solid, but there are a ton of rough edges needed some bug fixes.

And I hope the To-Do's and Mail integration and Spaces & Finder have been enhanced.

But overall, I feel good about installing Leopard on Day 1. Sure, some issues, but nothing fatal so far. And to get a huge bug patch a month or so later is great. I hope this one drops before Thanksgiving...
 
Macrumors said:
updating applications even if moved out of /Applications
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Yes! This is one of those minor but huge things!

I keep my apps sorted into categories, but to do that and still have the apple update program work I had to create a second applications folder and then make an alias to all of my apps and only then am I able to sort them in to categories. And every time I install a new app I have to repeat the procedure - install into applications folder, make alias, drag alias to categorized app folder. And that makes my whole system more confusing when doing searches and what not.

Plus, when people see my setup they think it's really cool, and they want to set their system up the same way. Until now I had to tell anyone who's not technically advanced that they shouldn't do it.

But now I can!

This is a seemingly minor enhancement that actually creates a HUGE advance in user friendliness and accessibility to the average user.

Good job Apple!
 
tallyho said:
can we please have the pre-Leopard blue apple [menu icon] back?
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All you need to do is look in the OS's package contents, locate the image of the apple that's displayed in the menu bar, open it up in a graphics program and change the color. Basically it's the same method people are using to change the dock images.

*** caution: anything you do alter the OS could potentially damage or destroy your computer, attempt at your own risk. ***

but this type of hack really has almost no potential to harm your system
 
I LOVE Leopard, but I might be returning to Tiger for awhile if they don't add the option to toggle stacks on and off and re-implement contextual functionality. In an ideal situation, I would like a solid menu bar option as well, but I highly doubt we'll see that.
 
Taylor C said:
I LOVE Leopard, but I might be returning to Tiger for awhile if they don't add the option to toggle stacks on and off and re-implement contextual functionality. In an ideal situation, I would like a solid menu bar option as well, but I highly doubt we'll see that.
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Candybar v3 will add dock customization options...I'm desperately waiting for that...
 
so many bugs i'm hoping that get fixed to make the upgrade bearable
but the 'updating applications even if moved out of /Applications' part is unexpected and long overdue,props there :apple:! :D

my dislike of stacks because of the popup hier folders in the dock is known here so i wont say it again.but now that it sounds like :apple: might finally let us install their apps on other drives or somewhere else doesnt that just kill the usefulness of stacks and reiterate the fact EVEN MORE that people put things in folders more than 1 level deep and need a fast way,aka hierarchal folders in dock,to get to them??
im not complaining that they are finally adding support it sounds to put their apps somewhere else other than the single Applications folder,but seems strange that just now they add this when in other ways it seems that theyre trying to force everyone to use 1 folder for everything with no sub folders,since thats all stacks does right now
 
I hope they fix the sleep issues

I don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but when I upgraded to Leopard, my macbook pro sometimes takes about 3 minutes to wake from sleep and when it finally does, there is lag between the time i move my finger on the trackpad to the time the pointer moves on screen. I love Leopard but this has been a really annoying issue i hope they address.
 
All of my machines are performing much better with Leopard. I've had absolutely no issues, not even with CS3 (I have a legit copy, thank you). My only gripes are with the menu bar and dock functionality. If I could have it my way, I'd like Tiger's dock back (its visual appearance) in addition to contextual menu support.
 
Lots of stuff will be pre-GM

daveschroeder said:
Keep in mind that Leopard was declared GM 2-3 weeks before it actually shipped, and it wasn't as if work stopped on Leopard in the meantime...so it's not really the result of work only done since its retail release, but of all work done since 9A581 was declared the GM build of 10.5.0.
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Software development doesn't work like that - as you approach GM you have to drop the rate of code change to zero. If you don't you obviously won't reach GM. Even worse, a "fix" might not work, or might make problems pop up somewhere else.

That literally means making the decision that "we will ship this bug". And this bug. And this bug....

At the same time, those bugs go into the .1 release for fixing. This reduces the risk to the GM, and gives more time for testing the fixes.

I'm sure that Apple was working on .1 long before the first release candidates.
 
Darkroom said:
no longer being a slave to the applications folder is going to be a very nice change...

i'm curious if the 10.5.1 update will also be addressing all those crawly bugs that are eating away at Xcode/IB 3?
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just in case they dont fix this and you didnt know,
you can put the apple and finicky apps on other drives and use symbolic links to them in the applications folder.the software update will see them then and you can store on another drive but lame workaround that shouldnt need to be used
 
AidenShaw said:
Software development doesn't work like that - as you approach GM you have to drop the rate of code change to zero. If you don't you obviously won't reach GM. Even worse, a "fix" might not work, or might make problems pop up somewhere else.

That literally means making the decision that "we will ship this bug". And this bug. And this bug....

At the same time, those bugs go into the .1 release for fixing. This reduces the risk to the GM, and gives more time for testing the fixes.

I'm sure that Apple was working on .1 long before the first release candidates.
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I think you misunderstood him. I believe he was saying that the day 10.5 was declared GM, the programmers were still working on Leopard in the form of creating the 10.5.1 update. So he's saying if 10.5 was declared GM 2 weeks before it's released, and 10.5.1 comes out 2 weeks after the initial release hit the store shelf, then 10.5.1 actually has 1 whole month of programming work put into it.
 
koobcamuk said:
I always get shaky running the first builds.. but haven't had a problem with 10.5 yet. I also haven't managed to do a backup (lack of superduper! support)
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Uh, hello? Time Machine? Main reason why I wanted 10.5 so much. SuperDuper! is history!
 
motulist said:
I think you misunderstood him. I believe he was saying that the day 10.5 was declared GM, the programmers were still working on Leopard in the form of creating the 10.5.1 update. So he's saying if 10.5 was declared GM 2 weeks before it's released, and 10.5.1 comes out 2 weeks after the initial release hit the store shelf, then 10.5.1 actually has 1 whole month of programming work put into it.
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No, I think that you misunderstood me.

Weeks or months before Leopard went GM, the project managers were sorting bugs into two columns:

A: We must fix this before GM
B: This isn't serious enough, or is too risky to fix before GM - this goes into the 10.5.1 list.

I'm saying that what you call a "whole month" scenario is more likely a couple of months or more. I think that it's likely that 10.5.1 has been in "development" since soon after the WWDC preview build.
 
AidenShaw said:
No, I think that you misunderstood me.

Weeks or months before Leopard went GM, the project managers were sorting bugs into two columns:

A: We must fix this before GM
B: This isn't serious enough, or is too risky to fix before GM - this goes into the 10.5.1 list.

I'm saying that what you call a "whole month" scenario is more likely a couple of months or more. I think that it's likely that 10.5.1 has been in "development" since soon after the WWDC preview build.
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I think most people wouldn't consider simply putting a bug onto a list called 'fix in .1 update' as constituting 'working on the .1 update.'
 
Brightness dim after a cold start

My only complaint when I upgraded to Leopard, my Intel iMac screen is very dim after I turn it on. If I go to the brightness setting in Displays I find that it has been set to as low as possible. This is very annoying. :confused:

Anybody else have this problem or can think of a fix? :rolleyes:

Thanks.

Glennsan
 
they hd better get some of the WIFI \ keychain issues I've been having solved. removing the password on wake from sleep has fixed part of my problems but even then occasionally waking the system up it "forgets" my router passphrase. Its annoying as heck.

Other then that and one complete freeze up that required me to hold the power button I've been good.

EDIT: Check that...two complete freezes. Seems like I can completely and totally lock up OS X when I go from WIFI to LAN and change my location. BAM. INSTANT FREEZE EVERY TIME.. :\
 
Can't wait for the .1 update. Installed Leopard but the issues forced me back to Tiger.

Issues:

Connections to SMB shares was broken. i.e. SMB://servername/share Under Leopard, those connections were being routed over the internet as if the servername was a URL. The workaround was to use the lan IP address for the server, but I use my MPB on assorted networks where getting IPs is not practical. It's all done by the machine name.

But that's OK. I could almost live with that bug, except once I got shares working, trying to copy files from a network share was dial-up slow. Small files were taking forever. Movies and music? Forget it. Totally unusable. Others have reported this same issue and the alleged fix involves making IPv6 changes on the Mac (er, ok...) and on the Windows server (right, like clients are going to LET me go do around reconfiguring all the servers to work with my MBP).

What happened to "It just works"??? It did and does work under Tiger.

Also, Leopard's help menu was broken. Click help. Wait a moment for it to load, and it closes itself. Try again. Same thing. Minor issue to be sure but disconcerting.

On the plus side, I was happier with Leopard's resource management. Memory and CPU use at idle seemed better. Apps loaded faster. Second Life ran cooler. Dashboard didn't appear to load until or unless I actually wanted to use it. Space was nice.

Eager to see what the point release brings....
 
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